DVLA has added an automatic only restriction to my license

[Oilchange]

An FOI to the MOD will release that Army paperwork toot-sweet. They're normally very good with FOIs, speaking from experience.

[MKnight702]

01WE01 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

I doubt I'll ever own a manual car again, and both my sons, in their 20s, who have manual licences, wouldn't consider buying a manual.

Mildly off topic, but, as above, automatic is very normal now. None of our last 7 cars have even offered manual.

It will be looked back on as archaic and twee that for so many years we manually levered gears into place when alternative technology was widely available. (Notwithstanding the satsifaction/enthusiast angle).

My last two every day cars have been automatic, my fun cars are manual. My wife refuses to buy an automatic, she loved the Alfa 4C and AMG45 but wouldn’t have one because they are flappy paddle only with no manual option.

[Bigends]

Interest FOI request thread on this subject - here 0

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/removal_of_...

[MB140]

Bigends said:

Interest FOI request thread on this subject - here 0

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/removal_of_...

Jesus the list of annotations at the bottom read like the dvla are a giant clusterfk of the highest order. I can’t believe someone somewhere with the funds haven't taken this bunch of dipsticks to court just because they can and to make a point.

[944 Man]

Oilchange said:

An FOI to the MOD will release that Army paperwork toot-sweet. They're normally very good with FOIs, speaking from experience.

The army had everything and provided it all. The DVLA, or one of their employees at least, then refused to accept it.

Edited by 944 Man on Tuesday 16th February 23:27

[944 Man]

The issue is the DVLA's arrogant and demonstrably incorrect assertion that mistakes are not made and that this does not happen. Until they are forced to address and admit their shortcomings in this respect, they will continue to deny that it occurs.

[Oilchange]

Crumbs.

I suppose shall keep all my old licences and resort to the defence that they or the courts haven't revoked my licence therefor I still have it.

[Timbuktu]

I've said it before but you'd be mad to send your only photocard back to them with this seemingly happening regularly.

Say it's lost and get a backup copy for £20 so you've got proof of your entitlement categories.

[944 Man]

As dishonest as it is, that is what I have always done, starting in 2006 when I moved to a photocard and added HGV provisional and was concerned about losing my bike entitlement. As I now have vocational entitlements I wouldn't entertain surrendering my only copy.

[sim72]

It wouldn't surprise me. I got a new photocard last year and it came back with all the "01" codes missing. Nice of them to inform me that my eyesight is now 20/20.

[Sahjahd]

944 Man said:

The issue is the DVLA's arrogant and demonstrably incorrect assertion that mistakes are not made and that this does not happen. Until they are forced to address and admit their shortcomings in this respect, they will continue to deny that it occurs.

About 15 years ago, I noticed that my motorcycle entitlement had disappeared, presumably at the time of an address change notification. A phone call to DVLA got me nothing but abuse from a Welsh harridan who insisted that they never make mistakes and that I was lying about my entitlement. Since I had given up riding bikes, I did not try to pursue the matter.
Last year, upon notifying another address change, my entitlement miraculously reappeared, but showing that I had passed my test in 2013.

[944 Man]

You couldnt make it up, could you?

Unless you listen to the Welsh harridan, that is...

[vaud]

It's often hard to work out which is the least competent - DLVA at Swansea or HMRC at Telford.

[944 Man]

Factor in who could GAF less. I suspect that that would be the Welsh wonders.

[Psycho Warren]

vaud said:

Apologies - I was way out of date. It seems they in-sourced in 2015.

If its "in house" even less of an excuse to say the backups are inaccessible.

Other large organisations can access such backups or database change historys so to me, the only real reason is they don't want to for plebs like us. I guess we are not important enough to do it.

[Psycho Warren]

944 Man said:

As dishonest as it is, that is what I have always done, starting in 2006 when I moved to a photocard and added HGV provisional and was concerned about losing my bike entitlement. As I now have vocational entitlements I wouldn't entertain surrendering my only copy.

Wouldnt surprise me if you had to use the saved license copy to prove entitlements, that they would then prosecute you for not surrendering or destroying an old license.

Or even better, say that the photocard is out of date/and old issue and is therefore invalid as proof of entitlement.

[Oilchange]

I think they have, with every fibre of their being, tried to make us all believe that a photo more than 10 years old instantly invalidates your licence.

Has there been a court case with a successful prosecution of driving without a valid licence in this case?

[944 Man]

Psycho Warren said:

944 Man said:

As dishonest as it is, that is what I have always done, starting in 2006 when I moved to a photocard and added HGV provisional and was concerned about losing my bike entitlement. As I now have vocational entitlements I wouldn't entertain surrendering my only copy.

Wouldnt surprise me if you had to use the saved license copy to prove entitlements, that they would then prosecute you for not surrendering or destroying an old license.

Or even better, say that the photocard is out of date/and old issue and is therefore invalid as proof of entitlement.

If you find it shortly afterwards, then you can identify it was expired/replaced by cutting off the corner. I suspect that you would only find it if you needed to, though. They have to accept it, however doing what they should isnt one of their strongest traits..