Advice on whether to report a theft from a Main Dealer site.

[vaud]

You said "Does it? Plenty of surveys have come up with more than 50% of people admitting to stealing at work."

We asked you to cite surveys.

I even offered you one that supported an argument that 52% admitted to stealing FROM work.

Not from customers or colleagues.
I made nothing up.

HTH.

[Escort3500]

ging84 said:

Escort3500 said:

vaud said:

ging84 said:

Does it?
Plenty of surveys have come up with more than 50% of people admitting to stealing at work.

Where are these surveys that show people steal from customers (or colleagues) at work, please?

We’re still waiting (or did you just make it up?)

I never claimed anything about customer or colleagues, that was entirely made up by Vaud
So i'm not sure what you are waiting for, i guess you are just trying to stir stuff up because you don't like my opinion.

Why does it always go this way when you express a controversial opinion, everyone tries to score points by misrepresenting what you say and trying to undermine you, but completely ignore everything that is at the core of what you are saying.


My point was simple, I don't think he should have left a trap, I think it is was horrible thing to do.

If you want to convince me it wasn't go ahead otherwise leave me alone.

It’s simple enough (well for most folk). Provide evidence of your 50% claim. And how have I misrepresented what you’ve said? (ps for the sake of clarity, I didn’t comment on the trap issue).

[ging84]

Escort3500 said:

It’s simple enough (well for most folk). Provide evidence of your 50% claim. And how have I misrepresented what you’ve said? (ps for the sake of clarity, I didn’t comment on the trap issue).

Look 2 posts up Vaud already did just provide one that matches the actual claim I made.

[Red 4]

ging84 said:

My point was simple, I don't think he should have left a trap, I think it is was horrible thing to do.

A trap ? How's that then ?

[ging84]

vaud said:

Stealing from "work". Not stealing from customers.

That is your distinction not mine
It's been repeated about 10 times on this thread that all theft is wrong theres no excuse etc, yet so many people do.

[vaud]

ging84 - I deleted my post as I had mis-read yours.

[ging84]

Red 4 said:

A trap ? How's that then ?

Read the thread I've made my points I'm not going to make them again, for goodness sake wasn't it you who just quoted me and talked about baiting fish?

See what I mean about people ignoring your actual point and just trying to undermine everything else you say

[Escort3500]

ging84 said:

Escort3500 said:

It’s simple enough (well for most folk). Provide evidence of your 50% claim. And how have I misrepresented what you’ve said? (ps for the sake of clarity, I didn’t comment on the trap issue).

Look 2 posts up Vaud already did just provide one that matches the actual claim I made.

Er, hardly the “plenty of surveys have come up with more than 50% of people admitting to stealing at work” that you claim...

[Red 4]

ging84 said:

Red 4 said:

A trap ? How's that then ?

Read the thread I've made my points I'm not going to make them again, for goodness sake wasn't it you who just quoted me and talked about baiting fish?

See what I mean about people ignoring your actual point and just trying to undermine everything else you say

I have read the thread. Essentially, you said theft in these circumstances is understandable and you might do the same (steal from customers).
Please explain why you think this is acceptable.

You also said the op set a trap. Please explain why you think this.

Not me regarding baiting fish - it was Red Devil.

[ging84]

Red 4 said:

I have read the thread. Essentially, you said theft in these circumstances is understandable and you might do the same (steal from customers).
Please explain why you think this is acceptable.

You also said the op set a trap. Please explain why you think this.

Not me regarding baiting fish - it was Red Devil.

I never said I think this is acceptable, I've already posted once to dispute that misrepresentation of my words once, so you clear have not read the whole thread.
I already explained why i described it as a trap, it is a pointless argument if your just unhappy with the wording.
His actions broadly speaking fall under the concept of entrapment or something similar if you are going to insist that has some strict legal definition, most people on this thread seem to be fairly ok with that, if you disagree maybe argue with someone else about ot because I'm going to bed.

Yes my mistake it was Red Devil who previously quoted me.

[ging84]

Escort3500 said:

Er, hardly the “plenty of surveys have come up with more than 50% of people admitting to stealing at work” that you claim...

I literally don't understand you point
Please clarify

[largelunchbox]

Escy said:

I agree but life is too short to concern yourself over £3.

So what’s the amount you start to get concerned £10 £20 £50?

[Red 4]

ging84 said:

Red 4 said:

I have read the thread. Essentially, you said theft in these circumstances is understandable and you might do the same (steal from customers).
Please explain why you think this is acceptable.

You also said the op set a trap. Please explain why you think this.

Not me regarding baiting fish - it was Red Devil.

I never said I think this is acceptable, I've already posted once to dispute that misrepresentation of my words once, so you clear have not read the whole thread.
I already explained why i described it as a trap, it is a pointless argument if your just unhappy with the wording.
His actions broadly speaking fall under the concept of entrapment or something similar if you are going to insist that has some strict legal definition, most people on this thread seem to be fairly ok with that, if you disagree maybe argue with someone else about ot because I'm going to bed.

Yes my mistake it was Red Devil who previously quoted me.

Right, so you think it is unacceptable to steal but you may steal anyway ...

You haven't explained why you think this was a "trap" ...

It is not entrapment ...

You've been called out and you don't like it ...

You're off to bed ... That's probably for the best.

[Escort3500]

ging84 said:

Escort3500 said:

Er, hardly the “plenty of surveys have come up with more than 50% of people admitting to stealing at work” that you claim...

I literally don't understand you point
Please clarify

In case you didn’t recognise it, that’s your quote. Only you haven’t provided one example of the “plenty of surveys” you cite. The only one you refer to is Vaud’s

[Escy]

largelunchbox said:

So what’s the amount you start to get concerned £10 £20 £50?

I guess when you're laying bait down expecting it to be stolen you set the amount you're happy to have stolen.

I just think the whole thing is a bit pathetic. If you think the mechanic has stolen loose change off you, next time take it out. Or you could leave more money then busy yourself writing forum posts, contacting management and maybe the police.

[Graveworm]

Escy said:

I guess when you're laying bait down expecting it to be stolen you set the amount you're happy to have stolen.

I just think the whole thing is a bit pathetic. If you think the mechanic has stolen loose change off you, next time take it out. Or you could leave more money then busy yourself writing forum posts, contacting management and maybe the police.

In fairness, they were pretty sure they had money stolen from their car, so the next time they checked how much money they had in the car before and after so this time they knew it had been stolen.
That is not laying bait. If it's 2 for 2 for them then the thief(ves) are almost certainly stealing way more than that. I don't take things out of my car when I take it for a service and I don't want the wasted time to have to do so, because I have to assume that theft is commonplace.

[Red Devil]

Red 4 said:

ging84 said:

Red 4 said:

I have read the thread. Essentially, you said theft in these circumstances is understandable and you might do the same (steal from customers).
Please explain why you think this is acceptable.

You also said the op set a trap. Please explain why you think this.

Not me regarding baiting fish - it was Red Devil.

I never said I think this is acceptable, I've already posted once to dispute that misrepresentation of my words once, so you clear have not read the whole thread.
I already explained why i described it as a trap, it is a pointless argument if your just unhappy with the wording.
His actions broadly speaking fall under the concept of entrapment or something similar if you are going to insist that has some strict legal definition, most people on this thread seem to be fairly ok with that, if you disagree maybe argue with someone else about ot because I'm going to bed.

Yes my mistake it was Red Devil who previously quoted me.

Right, so you think it is unacceptable to steal but you may steal anyway ...

You haven't explained why you think this was a "trap" ...

It is not entrapment ...

You've been called out and you don't like it ...

You're off to bed ... That's probably for the best.

I love the way he accuses you of clearly not reading the whole thread having already failed to do so himself.
If he had he might have figured oiut that Red Devil and Red 4 are different people.
Methinks the Red Mist descended and obscured his vision...

Graveworm said:

Escy said:

I guess when you're laying bait down expecting it to be stolen you set the amount you're happy to have stolen.

I just think the whole thing is a bit pathetic. If you think the mechanic has stolen loose change off you, next time take it out. Or you could leave more money then busy yourself writing forum posts, contacting management and maybe the police.

In fairness, they were pretty sure they had money stolen from their car, so the next time they checked how much money they had in the car before and after so this time they knew it had been stolen.
That is not laying bait. If it's 2 for 2 for them then the thief(ves) are almost certainly stealing way more than that. I don't take things out of my car when I take it for a service and I don't want the wasted time to have to do so, because I have to assume that theft is commonplace.

Indeed. An employee stealing from the customers of a business is a serious breach of trust.
Getting away with the small stuff can lead to escalation. Most big time criminals started off as minnows.

[McGee_22]

Escy said:

largelunchbox said:

So what’s the amount you start to get concerned £10 £20 £50?

I guess when you're laying bait down expecting it to be stolen you set the amount you're happy to have stolen.

I just think the whole thing is a bit pathetic. If you think the mechanic has stolen loose change off you, next time take it out. Or you could leave more money then busy yourself writing forum posts, contacting management and maybe the police.

You're still side steppng the question, that seems 'a bit pathetic'.

So you accidentally leave your wallet in the car when you leave your car for a service, and on returning an amount is missing; what amount is enough for you to report it?

Just answer the question that several people have directly asked you about your original point that £3 was not enough to worry about; no more excuses about laying bait, a trap, I wouldn't leave my wallet, I think it's pathetic, I wouldn't write about it, I wouldn't keep replying to threads about it, I wouldn't take my car for a service ever, the sun was in my eyes, etc; you have accidentally left your wallet in the car when you leave your car for a service, and on returning an amount is missing; what amount is enough for you to report it?

It seems several of those who have replied with 'throwaway' posts are now tying themselves in knots avoiding direct questions about the comments they made; there are very simple questions being asked of them but which now have become seemingly unanswerable as their initial posts are showing them how unpalatable their own morality is, or how stupid their posts were?

Edited by McGee_22 on Sunday 23 February 05:29

[McGee_22]

ging84 said:

Mechanics really don't earn a lot i'm really not surprised some take a bit of loose change, i'm pretty sure I might

Ging84, this is what you said about thieving from another person; I've put it in bold for you.

[ging84]

Escort3500 said:

In case you didn’t recognise it, that’s your quote. Only you haven’t provided one example of the “plenty of surveys” you cite. The only one you refer to is Vaud’s

That was my quote of you, that I didn't understand.

This is the first thing that comes up when you search for theft at work survey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/a...
As previously mentioned