Advice on whether to report a theft from a Main Dealer site.
Discussion
McGee_22 said:
ging84 said:
Mechanics really don't earn a lot i'm really not surprised some take a bit of loose change, i'm pretty sure I might
Ging84, this is what you said about thieving from another person; I've put it in bold for you.Are you trying to implying that is condoning because it isn't, it is simply putting yourself in someone else's shoes and thinking maybe I would, I would certainly be very tempted.
I think most people that think they would not even consider taking it are probably just being less empathetic rather than more honest.
ging84 said:
Escort3500 said:
In case you didn’t recognise it, that’s your quote. Only you haven’t provided one example of the “plenty of surveys” you cite. The only one you refer to is Vaud’s
That was my quote of you, that I didn't understand.This is the first thing that comes up when you search for theft at work survey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/a...
As previously mentioned
elanfan said:
The Dealer Principal should be taking this very seriously indeed. Theft from customers could badly affect their reputation - imagine if you put this in a review or on their Facebook page. One thing that would be interesting is if the same technician worked on your car each time. The garage should have records or CCTV (some garages the valeters move the cars in and out so could be them they’re the lowest paid too!) make sure you ask if they’ve had any similar complaints. Someone should be getting sacked over this!
Completely correct, some thieving scrote needs sacking. 
ging84 said:
McGee_22 said:
ging84 said:
Mechanics really don't earn a lot i'm really not surprised some take a bit of loose change, i'm pretty sure I might
Ging84, this is what you said about thieving from another person; I've put it in bold for you.Are you trying to implying that is condoning because it isn't, it is simply putting yourself in someone else's shoes and thinking maybe I would, I would certainly be very tempted.
I think most people that think they would not even consider taking it are probably just being less empathetic rather than more honest.
Theft is theft, even three pounds as you agreed in another post, yet you said you're pretty sure you might take it. This is actually beyond condoning theft, this is saying you might thieve yourself.
You have tried to get out of this and your other statement regarding the percentage of thefts in the workplace but quite simply you are condoning theft from an individual and going still further saying you might well do it yourself.
McGee_22 said:
ging84 said:
McGee_22 said:
ging84 said:
Mechanics really don't earn a lot i'm really not surprised some take a bit of loose change, i'm pretty sure I might
Ging84, this is what you said about thieving from another person; I've put it in bold for you.Are you trying to implying that is condoning because it isn't, it is simply putting yourself in someone else's shoes and thinking maybe I would, I would certainly be very tempted.
I think most people that think they would not even consider taking it are probably just being less empathetic rather than more honest.
Theft is theft, even three pounds as you agreed in another post, yet you said you're pretty sure you might take it. This is actually beyond condoning theft, this is saying you might thieve yourself.
You have tried to get out of this and your other statement regarding the percentage of thefts in the workplace but quite simply you are condoning theft from an individual and going still further saying you might well do it yourself.
McGee_22 said:
You're still side steppng the question, that seems 'a bit pathetic'.
So you accidentally leave your wallet in the car when you leave your car for a service, and on returning an amount is missing; what amount is enough for you to report it?
Just answer the question that several people have directly asked you about your original point that £3 was not enough to worry about; no more excuses about laying bait, a trap, I wouldn't leave my wallet, I think it's pathetic, I wouldn't write about it, I wouldn't keep replying to threads about it, I wouldn't take my car for a service ever, the sun was in my eyes, etc; you have accidentally left your wallet in the car when you leave your car for a service, and on returning an amount is missing; what amount is enough for you to report it?
My cut off is £3.50, at that point I want the thief before the courts and I'm expecting prison. So you accidentally leave your wallet in the car when you leave your car for a service, and on returning an amount is missing; what amount is enough for you to report it?
Just answer the question that several people have directly asked you about your original point that £3 was not enough to worry about; no more excuses about laying bait, a trap, I wouldn't leave my wallet, I think it's pathetic, I wouldn't write about it, I wouldn't keep replying to threads about it, I wouldn't take my car for a service ever, the sun was in my eyes, etc; you have accidentally left your wallet in the car when you leave your car for a service, and on returning an amount is missing; what amount is enough for you to report it?
peterperkins said:
elanfan said:
The Dealer Principal should be taking this very seriously indeed. Theft from customers could badly affect their reputation - imagine if you put this in a review or on their Facebook page. One thing that would be interesting is if the same technician worked on your car each time. The garage should have records or CCTV (some garages the valeters move the cars in and out so could be them they’re the lowest paid too!) make sure you ask if they’ve had any similar complaints. Someone should be getting sacked over this!
Completely correct, some thieving scrote needs sacking. I would not have reported this actual incident to the police (given the small amount involved) unless the dealer showed zero interest, in which case reporting it via 101 at least gets in on-record and may possibly help others that are worse affected in future. I would not expect the police to investigate or anything of the sort, merely record it in case a future more serious event occurs.
As a society, if we let people get away with small stuff like this and do nothing at all we only really harm ourselves in the long run, as this time its £3, next time £10, then a charging cable, then an mp3 player, then a mobile phone, and then it's *your* phone and suddenly it seems a lot more serious to you personally.
Escy said:
If it happened to me, I'd lobby my MP to bring back being hung drawn and quartered for any small change thief that steals more than £3.50.
Sarcastic posts aside, it would appear that you have an inability to let us know what your acceptable level of thieving is. Why post such crap if you’ve no idea what you’re talking about?Escy said:
If it happened to me, I'd lobby my MP to bring back being hung drawn and quartered for any small change thief that steals more than £3.50.
Alternatively - https://convictrecords.com.au/crimes/petty-larcenyUnfortunately I don't think Australia would be too keen on its resumption.
garyhun said:
Sarcastic posts aside, it would appear that you have an inability to let us know what your acceptable level of thieving is. Why post such crap if you’ve no idea what you’re talking about?
There is no acceptable level of thieving but we've all got a level where you can't be bothered to go anything about it.If my wheels get stolen, I'd call the Police, if my dust caps got stolen I wouldn't (sounds like a few of you would).
I feel the same for a couple of quid out of the ash tray, not worth chasing it up. And it's not about how much money you've got either, the less money you've got, the less time you're likely to spend on frivolous bulls
t like chasing around over £3 you wouldn't get back anyway. Escy said:
There is no acceptable level of thieving but we've all got a level where you can't be bothered to go anything about it.
If my wheels get stolen, I'd call the Police, if my dust caps got stolen I wouldn't (sounds like a few of you would).
I feel the same for a couple of quid out of the ash tray, not worth chasing it up. And it's not about how much money you've got either, the less money you've got, the less time you're likely to spend on frivolous bullst like chasing around over £3 you wouldn't get back anyway.
More pathetic side stepping of the question of how much. If my wheels get stolen, I'd call the Police, if my dust caps got stolen I wouldn't (sounds like a few of you would).
I feel the same for a couple of quid out of the ash tray, not worth chasing it up. And it's not about how much money you've got either, the less money you've got, the less time you're likely to spend on frivolous bulls
t like chasing around over £3 you wouldn't get back anyway. McGee_22 said:
More pathetic side stepping of the question of how much.
Rather than obsessing about Escy’s moral compass, why don't you just decide what feels like the right thing for you and just do that? You don't have to justify your stance and neither does he.
FWIW my view is:
Yes, any form of theft or dishonesty is wrong
Yes, you seem to be a bit petty minded
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Forgotten theOP so sorry if this has been covered but was this at a main dealer sort of place where your car gets washed on every visit?
If so I’d say it was likely one of the car cleaners than a mechanic. Easy to say oops accidentally hoovered it up. They will be earning half or less than the mechanics and have much less worry about being sacked. Mechanics in an area tend to know each other so if you were known to be sacked for stealing good luck getting a job in the same area.
At the last dealership I was working at there could be up to about 6 people who had been in or worked on the car so unless you have them on cam hard to know who did it.
The DP should probably offer you a free oil change or valet and then do a briefing with everyone at the dealership saying that it is known people are stealing from cars, next person caught will be made an example of
If so I’d say it was likely one of the car cleaners than a mechanic. Easy to say oops accidentally hoovered it up. They will be earning half or less than the mechanics and have much less worry about being sacked. Mechanics in an area tend to know each other so if you were known to be sacked for stealing good luck getting a job in the same area.
At the last dealership I was working at there could be up to about 6 people who had been in or worked on the car so unless you have them on cam hard to know who did it.
The DP should probably offer you a free oil change or valet and then do a briefing with everyone at the dealership saying that it is known people are stealing from cars, next person caught will be made an example of
Rewe said:
Rather than obsessing about Escy’s moral compass, why don't you just decide what feels like the right thing for you and just do that?
You don't have to justify your stance and neither does he.
FWIW my view is:
Yes, any form of theft or dishonesty is wrong
Yes, you seem to be a bit petty minded
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Rather than reading just the last post perhaps you should you read the thread. You don't have to justify your stance and neither does he.
FWIW my view is:
Yes, any form of theft or dishonesty is wrong
Yes, you seem to be a bit petty minded
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Ecsy made the point that £3 was too little for him to do anything about and started berating me for doing so; multiple posters have continued to ask of him how much is the amount he would report and he has continued to obfuscate about the answer; he then started to address my initial report of the theft as pathetic which I have quite rightly also labelled his continued attempts to avoid answering a point he raised.
Like ging84 who first of all condoned theft and then also admitted he was pretty sure he might steal as well, Ecsy has made what he thought was a clever statement but ultimately when asked to explain himself has found he has cornered himself.
I hope this explains mine, and other posters responses, to Ecsy as you seem to be a person who as well as resorting to 'petty' name calling, doesn't seem to be able to concentrate long enough to read the entire thread.
McGee_22 said:
Ecsy made the point that £3 was too little for him to do anything about and started berating me for doing so; multiple posters have continued to ask of him how much is the amount he would report and he has continued to obfuscate about the answer; he then started to address my initial report of the theft as pathetic which I have quite rightly also labelled his continued attempts to avoid answering a point he raised.
Sorry if it comes across as berating you, I don't really care about this situation and I genuinely thought it was a wind up when I initially read it.I've got a theory, by the fact you left money in your car half expecting it to be stolen only to get yourself upset about it when it happened and want to invest time and effort into reporting it to the garage and then the Police, i'm going to assume you are retired and just looking for things to do to pass the time.
Escy said:
McGee_22 said:
Ecsy made the point that £3 was too little for him to do anything about and started berating me for doing so; multiple posters have continued to ask of him how much is the amount he would report and he has continued to obfuscate about the answer; he then started to address my initial report of the theft as pathetic which I have quite rightly also labelled his continued attempts to avoid answering a point he raised.
Sorry if it comes across as berating you, I don't really care about this situation and I genuinely thought it was a wind up when I initially read it.I've got a theory, by the fact you left money in your car half expecting it to be stolen only to get yourself upset about it when it happened and want to invest time and effort into reporting it to the garage and then the Police, i'm going to assume you are retired and just looking for things to do to pass the time.
Escy said:
Sorry if it comes across as berating you, I don't really care about this situation and I genuinely thought it was a wind up when I initially read it.
I've got a theory, by the fact you left money in your car half expecting it to be stolen only to get yourself upset about it when it happened and want to invest time and effort into reporting it to the garage and then the Police, i'm going to assume you are retired and just looking for things to do to pass the time.
To address your points in reverse order; your theory is way off the mark, I'm hard working and every penny counts, and the money is/was always in the car and curiosity over whether money was taken the first time led us count and recount it the second time.I've got a theory, by the fact you left money in your car half expecting it to be stolen only to get yourself upset about it when it happened and want to invest time and effort into reporting it to the garage and then the Police, i'm going to assume you are retired and just looking for things to do to pass the time.
As to whether you care or not about this situation, how come you have posted on this thread more times than I have?
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