Advice on whether to report a theft from a Main Dealer site.
Discussion
Red 4 said:
Quoted for posterity.
Nobody was expecting "society to protect" anyone's property BTW.
It is reasonable not to expect thieving scumbags to go rifling through your car to see what they can have away though.
I was going to say your moral compass is wrong but you don't seem to have a compass at all and you are looking increasing lost on this thread.
This whole post is about discussing reporting an easily avoidable theft to the police.Nobody was expecting "society to protect" anyone's property BTW.
It is reasonable not to expect thieving scumbags to go rifling through your car to see what they can have away though.
I was going to say your moral compass is wrong but you don't seem to have a compass at all and you are looking increasing lost on this thread.
I don't want to pay taxes that go toward that investigation, I want people to take some personal responsibility when they can, is that morally unacceptable?
doog442 said:
ging84 said:
It is frankly unbelievable that you think you know better than me what I think
I've no idea what you're thinking, I'm simply replying to the words you're typing. Words on a screen?ging84 said:
You are misrepresenting my words.
I did not i say I likely would, I said I might, but in reality I never would because my level of paranoia is high enough that I would be half expecting every collection of loose change to be a potential honesty trap left by a customer, but I can't judge someone too harshly who does something wrong that I might have done if I was a lot worse off and wasn't too scared to do.
I never condoned anything, I've made no comments what so ever suggesting I think it is acceptable, just that I think that this sort of deliberate baiting is definitely unacceptable.
Let me put it as simply as I can
I would not despise anyone purely for taking some of my loose change that they came across, particularly someone worse off than me.
I would however despise anyone who left loose change somewhere I would come across it purely to see if I would steal any or not.
The lose change might have been there to start with, but when you are mindful enough to think about it being stolen, and instead of simply taking it out, you count it and put it back you are setting a trap.
I did not i say I likely would, I said I might, but in reality I never would because my level of paranoia is high enough that I would be half expecting every collection of loose change to be a potential honesty trap left by a customer, but I can't judge someone too harshly who does something wrong that I might have done if I was a lot worse off and wasn't too scared to do.
I never condoned anything, I've made no comments what so ever suggesting I think it is acceptable, just that I think that this sort of deliberate baiting is definitely unacceptable.
Let me put it as simply as I can
I would not despise anyone purely for taking some of my loose change that they came across, particularly someone worse off than me.
I would however despise anyone who left loose change somewhere I would come across it purely to see if I would steal any or not.
The lose change might have been there to start with, but when you are mindful enough to think about it being stolen, and instead of simply taking it out, you count it and put it back you are setting a trap.
ging84 said:
I never said I think this is acceptable, I've already posted once to dispute that misrepresentation of my words once, so you clear have not read the whole thread.
I already explained why i described it as a trap, it is a pointless argument if your just unhappy with the wording.
His actions broadly speaking fall under the concept of entrapment or something similar if you are going to insist that has some strict legal definition, most people on this thread seem to be fairly ok with that, if you disagree maybe argue with someone else about ot because I'm going to bed.
Yes my mistake it was Red Devil who previously quoted me.
I already explained why i described it as a trap, it is a pointless argument if your just unhappy with the wording.
His actions broadly speaking fall under the concept of entrapment or something similar if you are going to insist that has some strict legal definition, most people on this thread seem to be fairly ok with that, if you disagree maybe argue with someone else about ot because I'm going to bed.
Yes my mistake it was Red Devil who previously quoted me.
ging84 said:
What ever point you were trying to make why not come straight out and say it.
Are you trying to implying that is condoning because it isn't, it is simply putting yourself in someone else's shoes and thinking maybe I would, I would certainly be very tempted.
I think most people that think they would not even consider taking it are probably just being less empathetic rather than more honest.
Are you trying to implying that is condoning because it isn't, it is simply putting yourself in someone else's shoes and thinking maybe I would, I would certainly be very tempted.
I think most people that think they would not even consider taking it are probably just being less empathetic rather than more honest.
ging84 said:
The arrogance of this post is beyond belief.
I have clarified multiple times that I was not condoning theft.
Who is in a better place to know what I am or am not condoning.
At worse I've expressed myself with the wrong choice of words, at worse you are deliberately misrepresenting me.
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
I have clarified multiple times that I was not condoning theft.
Who is in a better place to know what I am or am not condoning.
At worse I've expressed myself with the wrong choice of words, at worse you are deliberately misrepresenting me.
What did I say that is so unambiguously condoning theft that it outweigh me saying 3 times that I was not.
ging84 said:
I few times i've gone out got drunk and got into a scrap, I can't say it will never happen again. am I condoning violence ?
Occasionally when driving I've done things like pulled out in front of someone because i didn't see them, misjudged an over take or driven well above the speed limit on a quiet dual carriageway. am I condoning dangerous /. careless driving
Condoning means accepting of behaviour, not the same as doing it, or considering the possibility of doing it.
Someone can make a mistake or give in to temptation and do something wrong, and fairly instantly regret it.
Your assumption seems to be just because I've been willing to admit I might do something wrong that I would do so without regret, but your are very wrong.
I'm not saying it is the OPs fault for 'tempting the poor'
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
I'm done hereOccasionally when driving I've done things like pulled out in front of someone because i didn't see them, misjudged an over take or driven well above the speed limit on a quiet dual carriageway. am I condoning dangerous /. careless driving
Condoning means accepting of behaviour, not the same as doing it, or considering the possibility of doing it.
Someone can make a mistake or give in to temptation and do something wrong, and fairly instantly regret it.
Your assumption seems to be just because I've been willing to admit I might do something wrong that I would do so without regret, but your are very wrong.
I'm not saying it is the OPs fault for 'tempting the poor'
I am saying he is in the wrong for putting his little project above the well being of potentially honest hardworking people and deliberately making thier life harder by putting temptation to do the wrong thing in thier way.
Anyone else tries to saying I think or i am saying that I condone theft or think theft is acceptable I'm clicking the report button, this is harassment
ging84 said:
Red 4 said:
Quoted for posterity.
Nobody was expecting "society to protect" anyone's property BTW.
It is reasonable not to expect thieving scumbags to go rifling through your car to see what they can have away though.
I was going to say your moral compass is wrong but you don't seem to have a compass at all and you are looking increasing lost on this thread.
This whole post is about discussing reporting an easily avoidable theft to the police.Nobody was expecting "society to protect" anyone's property BTW.
It is reasonable not to expect thieving scumbags to go rifling through your car to see what they can have away though.
I was going to say your moral compass is wrong but you don't seem to have a compass at all and you are looking increasing lost on this thread.
I don't want to pay taxes that go toward that investigation, I want people to take some personal responsibility when they can, is that morally unacceptable?
This thread has got me thinking. I seldom use a garage for servicing and repairs doing it all myself. However, when the cars goes in for an MOT it is left there for an hour or more. There is generally all my stuff left there, £20+ in change in a bag in the centre storage, phone leads, a box of CD's on the floor, tools and spares in the boot etc. Like many it has a coin holder but that is not used as it does not hold enough for the car park. I don't think about clearing the car for the MOT, I just assume they will do their job and leave my stuff alone. I have never checked that nothing is missing, maybe I am too trusting but clearing the car would take too long in my case. I would notice if the bag of change disappeared but not a few coins out of it. I have noticed that they pull the power lead on the dashcam though, not that that would show anything inside the car.
I can understand the OP not being sure the first time and then checking what was left the second time to confirm. I also agree with reporting it to the Principal as the same might happen to others who leave more in the car, be it cash or possessions. It would be better for the perp to be caught and get a severe warning which would hopefully put him (or her) back on the straight and narrow.
I can understand the OP not being sure the first time and then checking what was left the second time to confirm. I also agree with reporting it to the Principal as the same might happen to others who leave more in the car, be it cash or possessions. It would be better for the perp to be caught and get a severe warning which would hopefully put him (or her) back on the straight and narrow.
Many years ago a chap who worked for, I think NatWest Bank, very cleverly arranged for all the odd halfpennies deposited with the Bank by its customers to be diverted into an account other than the one intended. As it was only a halfpenny that disappeared, it was a couple of years before the theft came to light. In the meantime the thief had trousered tens and tens of thousands of pounds.
I'd tell the plod pdq.
BobG
PS And aren't there sad buggers on here who've got absolutely terrible verbal diarrohea.
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I'd tell the plod pdq.
BobG
PS And aren't there sad buggers on here who've got absolutely terrible verbal diarrohea.
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Edited by Alex0904 on Wednesday 26th February 23:14
ging84 said:
I'm done here
Anyone else tries to saying I think or i am saying that I condone theft or think theft is acceptable I'm clicking the report button, this is harassment
Ooooh. The kindergarten stratagem.Anyone else tries to saying I think or i am saying that I condone theft or think theft is acceptable I'm clicking the report button, this is harassment
The difficulty with that is your own words have been used to turn the tables on you.
You would do better to heed the advice of Senator Truman.
You are quite right to flag it up at the garage. But the matter is de minimis and the police have no interest in theft of this nature. Far rather sit in warm vans catching little old persons doing 32mph on the way to the shops.
I suspect you are not alone in suffering petty theft like this but the reality is no one is interested anymore!
I suspect you are not alone in suffering petty theft like this but the reality is no one is interested anymore!
Alex0904 said:
Many years ago a chap who worked for, I think NatWest Bank, very cleverly arranged for all the odd halfpennies deposited with the Bank by its customers to be diverted into an account other than the one intended. As it was only a halfpenny that disappeared, it was a couple of years before the theft came to light. In the meantime the thief had trousered tens and tens of thousands of pounds.
This guy? 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman_III
ging84 said:
I'm done here
Anyone else tries to saying I think or i am saying that I condone theft or think theft is acceptable I'm clicking the report button, this is harassment
Hilarious. Berates the OP for being concerned about reporting theft to the police but now runs to the mods because he's being harassed for what he actually said. Anyone else tries to saying I think or i am saying that I condone theft or think theft is acceptable I'm clicking the report button, this is harassment
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