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unident said:
markyb_lcy said:
Is every single non-mask-wearer an asymptomatic carrier spreading their "germs" (as this message suggests)?
The irony of accusing others of "ignorance" in a post where you display ignorance yourself.
Obviously not, maybe they should have got a solicitor to write up a full legal document and written that on the window instead. Even then you and your fellow naysayers would complain because it’s involving legal process and you object to all forms of that as we’ve seen on the contrarian thread.The irony of accusing others of "ignorance" in a post where you display ignorance yourself.
Not everyone crashes their car, so why should everyone have to wear a seatbelt?
In fact, part of what I object to is a subverting of the established usual legal process in our democracy ... that of parliament's sovereign right and responsibility for voting on such laws.
But carry on with your "contrarian" bulls
t, it's hilarious.markyb_lcy said:
unident said:
markyb_lcy said:
Is every single non-mask-wearer an asymptomatic carrier spreading their "germs" (as this message suggests)?
The irony of accusing others of "ignorance" in a post where you display ignorance yourself.
Obviously not, maybe they should have got a solicitor to write up a full legal document and written that on the window instead. Even then you and your fellow naysayers would complain because it’s involving legal process and you object to all forms of that as we’ve seen on the contrarian thread.The irony of accusing others of "ignorance" in a post where you display ignorance yourself.
Not everyone crashes their car, so why should everyone have to wear a seatbelt?
In fact, part of what I object to is a subverting of the established usual legal process in our democracy ... that of parliament's sovereign right and responsibility for voting on such laws.
But carry on with your "contrarian" bulls
t, it's hilarious.There are hundreds of laws that give power to ministers to make secondary legislation, by statutory instrument. They work just like this. They are laid before parliament, they can be scrutinised, debated and rescinded, they are democratic. The powers they are using were freely given by a sovereign parliament and previous uses like this one have been ratified by Parliament.
The Jr, which is trying to get leave to appeal, is another example of ways they can be held to account. Under the Civil Continencies Act, that many favour them using because it has an earlier parliamentary vote, they would not have been prevented from suspension of Judicial reviews into their conduct.
Edited by Graveworm on Thursday 23 July 13:40
unident said:
Not everyone crashes their car, so why should everyone have to wear a seatbelt?
What is that was a seatbelt knitted by your aunty Ethel or perhaps made from an old rucksack? What if once you'd buckled your knitted seatbelt you unclipped it every time you wanted to talk to your friend or perhaps slipped your arm out every few minutes if it was hot? 
unident said:
Jasandjules said:
If their customers all have germs clearly they won't want them in the shop - Problem solved.
And your ignorance continues. Asymptomatic people are the issue for spread, but you know that, you just want to carry on spouting your nonsense When is shaming acceptable and when isn’t it? If someone had a similar display about drink driving would that be ok? What about racist language? What about general swearing?
Generally interested to know when people think that it isn’t ok? My guess is it’s acceptable if you agree with the sentiment, it’s unacceptable if you don’t.
Generally interested to know when people think that it isn’t ok? My guess is it’s acceptable if you agree with the sentiment, it’s unacceptable if you don’t.
MEC said:
What is that was a seatbelt knitted by your aunty Ethel or perhaps made from an old rucksack? What if once you'd buckled your knitted seatbelt you unclipped it every time you wanted to talk to your friend or perhaps slipped your arm out every few minutes if it was hot?
If my Auntie I’d bks she’d be my uncle and so on. The seatbelt question was very simple but I’ll ask it again.
Everyone when in a car as a driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt (apart from some rare exemptions). However, not everybody crashes every time they are in a car. Does that mean that seatbelts are ineffective?
unident said:
Everyone when in a car as a driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt (apart from some rare exemptions). However, not everybody crashes every time they are in a car. Does that mean that seatbelts are ineffective?
Do you really have such cognitive ability? You are seeking to compare a seatbelt with a mask? If we break this down into a simplest term, a seatbelt is work to protect the user and you aver that a mask is worn to protect others. Thus, on that lowest level why do you suggest they are relative to the extent they may be compared? Did you see a meme on facebook and forget to think before you tried to copy it?unident said:
If my Auntie I’d bks she’d be my uncle and so on.
The seatbelt question was very simple but I’ll ask it again.
Everyone when in a car as a driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt (apart from some rare exemptions). However, not everybody crashes every time they are in a car. Does that mean that seatbelts are ineffective?
So are you going to start wearing a cycling helmet when you go walking? You might not trip and fall every time, but if it saves just one life.....ks she’d be my uncle and so on. The seatbelt question was very simple but I’ll ask it again.
Everyone when in a car as a driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt (apart from some rare exemptions). However, not everybody crashes every time they are in a car. Does that mean that seatbelts are ineffective?
Jasandjules said:
Do you really have such cognitive ability? You are seeking to compare a seatbelt with a mask? If we break this down into a simplest term, a seatbelt is work to protect the user and you aver that a mask is worn to protect others. Thus, on that lowest level why do you suggest they are relative to the extent they may be compared? Did you see a meme on facebook and forget to think before you tried to copy it?
Clearly I’ve touched a nerve with you as you’re throwing the insults around like confetti. Just to upset you a bit more though. The rear passengers are compelled to wear seatbelts to help protect those in the front too. They are comparable in that both will be mandatory, yet neither are needed for the vast majority of those who wear them. They are one of a number of safety measures applied in each environment to protect the user and those around them. How much each protects you or others may differ, but the concept remains broadly similar.
MEC said:
unident said:
If my Auntie I’d bks she’d be my uncle and so on.
The seatbelt question was very simple but I’ll ask it again.
Everyone when in a car as a driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt (apart from some rare exemptions). However, not everybody crashes every time they are in a car. Does that mean that seatbelts are ineffective?
So are you going to start wearing a cycling helmet when you go walking? You might not trip and fall every time, but if it saves just one life.....ks she’d be my uncle and so on. The seatbelt question was very simple but I’ll ask it again.
Everyone when in a car as a driver or passenger must wear a seatbelt (apart from some rare exemptions). However, not everybody crashes every time they are in a car. Does that mean that seatbelts are ineffective?
BMWBen said:
deggles said:
Are you triggered by their sign, mr snowflake?
Well done, you got 'triggered' and 'snowflake' into one post, double PH points for you. Back on topic, has the actual face covering legislation been published yet? I'm assuming a Statutory Instrument will be brought in by tomorrow, but can't find anything online yet?
unident said:
No, because it’s not mandatory. I did wear a helmet every time I raced though, even though I didn’t crash very often. Go figure.
Was that an approved helmet made to a specific standard and fully tested or one Aunty Ethel knitted for you?Would you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
MEC said:
Was that an approved helmet made to a specific standard and fully tested or one Aunty Ethel knitted for you?
Would you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
YesWould you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
Yes
I know the trap you’re trying to set is one about standards. However, there are requirement for the face coverings, basic but there are standards around covering face and mouth. It might not meet the medical grade you want but there are standards.
I wear a seatbelt because it’s second nature as I’ve always worn one. Things become a habit in time. But here’s one to explode your mind, I don’t wear a face covering currently and haven’t at any time previously. I will though appreciate what’s being done, as I’d prefer trying to do things to prevent shutting down the economy again than fighting the tide.
deggles said:
Well done, you got 'triggered' and 'snowflake' into one post, double PH points for you. Back on topic, has the actual face covering legislation been published yet? I'm assuming a Statutory Instrument will be brought in by tomorrow, but can't find anything online yet?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/conte...
unident said:
MEC said:
Was that an approved helmet made to a specific standard and fully tested or one Aunty Ethel knitted for you?
Would you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
YesWould you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
Yes
I know the trap you’re trying to set is one about standards. However, there are requirement for the face coverings, basic but there are standards around covering face and mouth. It might not meet the medical grade you want but there are standards.
I wear a seatbelt because it’s second nature as I’ve always worn one. Things become a habit in time. But here’s one to explode your mind, I don’t wear a face covering currently and haven’t at any time previously. I will though appreciate what’s being done, as I’d prefer trying to do things to prevent shutting down the economy again than fighting the tide.
Same, haven’t warn a face covering up until this point but if that is what is required to maximise my chance of being able to do the things I enjoy, then I’ll support it. It’s worth it from purely selfish reasons. But hey, obviously Joe PHer Bloggs knows fat more about these things than the experts advising the government. What’s the down side?
unident said:
MEC said:
Was that an approved helmet made to a specific standard and fully tested or one Aunty Ethel knitted for you?
Would you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
YesWould you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
Yes
I know the trap you’re trying to set is one about standards. However, there are requirement for the face coverings, basic but there are standards around covering face and mouth. It might not meet the medical grade you want but there are standards.
I wear a seatbelt because it’s second nature as I’ve always worn one. Things become a habit in time. But here’s one to explode your mind, I don’t wear a face covering currently and haven’t at any time previously. I will though appreciate what’s being done, as I’d prefer trying to do things to prevent shutting down the economy again than fighting the tide.
agtlaw said:
deggles said:
Well done, you got 'triggered' and 'snowflake' into one post, double PH points for you. Back on topic, has the actual face covering legislation been published yet? I'm assuming a Statutory Instrument will be brought in by tomorrow, but can't find anything online yet?
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/791/conte...
RSTurboPaul said:
unident said:
MEC said:
Was that an approved helmet made to a specific standard and fully tested or one Aunty Ethel knitted for you?
Would you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
YesWould you choose to use a rear seatbelt in a country where it was not a legal requirement?
Yes
I know the trap you’re trying to set is one about standards. However, there are requirement for the face coverings, basic but there are standards around covering face and mouth. It might not meet the medical grade you want but there are standards.
I wear a seatbelt because it’s second nature as I’ve always worn one. Things become a habit in time. But here’s one to explode your mind, I don’t wear a face covering currently and haven’t at any time previously. I will though appreciate what’s being done, as I’d prefer trying to do things to prevent shutting down the economy again than fighting the tide.
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