Serving officers - What is the effect of the CV crisis

[Gameface]

A1VDY said:

Gameface said:

daytona355 said:

He’s looking at ten plus apparently with the charges as they are, and I know people, so prison will be fun for him this time around, guaranteed.

I'd like to know more about this and your plans for him, or were you just angry at the time of posting?

He's obviously been inside at some point and knows what's in store for people like this. If he has mates in various prisons he'll put the word out for a beating, that's what he's saying..

Wow. He's a scary man. Best watch our step around him.

[Centurion07]

NMNeil said:

I've sent many a tweaker to jail for 6 month or more, and while incarcerated they were cured of their addiction.
Upon release their first stop was their meth dealer, and the cycle started all over again.
As Ron White says "You just can't fix stupid"

Then they weren't cured, were they?

A total cure of an addiction would include the mental side of things and enabling the person to understand the reasoning BEHIND why they feel the need for drugs and in doing so give them the control they need not to relapse.

Whilst a spell in prison may well cure them of the physical side of it, without proper help the scenario you describe is exactly what will happen in a lot of cases.

That said...

"Reality is just a crutch for people who can't handle drugs" - Robin WIlliams

[vikingaero]

Gameface said:

A1VDY said:

Gameface said:

daytona355 said:

He’s looking at ten plus apparently with the charges as they are, and I know people, so prison will be fun for him this time around, guaranteed.

I'd like to know more about this and your plans for him, or were you just angry at the time of posting?

He's obviously been inside at some point and knows what's in store for people like this. If he has mates in various prisons he'll put the word out for a beating, that's what he's saying..

Wow. He's a scary man. Best watch our step around him.

It's not about being a scary man. If you commit a crime and get remanded then you will generally go to the local adult male prison linked to that Court - for example, if you get remanded at Westminster, Lavender Hill, Wimbledon Magistates or Inner London Crown Court then your linked prison is generally Wandsworth. There are exceptions if the prison is full or you are a female ot juvenile.

[Gameface]

vikingaero said:

Gameface said:

A1VDY said:

Gameface said:

daytona355 said:

He’s looking at ten plus apparently with the charges as they are, and I know people, so prison will be fun for him this time around, guaranteed.

I'd like to know more about this and your plans for him, or were you just angry at the time of posting?

He's obviously been inside at some point and knows what's in store for people like this. If he has mates in various prisons he'll put the word out for a beating, that's what he's saying..

Wow. He's a scary man. Best watch our step around him.

It's not about being a scary man. If you commit a crime and get remanded then you will generally go to the local adult male prison linked to that Court - for example, if you get remanded at Westminster, Lavender Hill, Wimbledon Magistates or Inner London Crown Court then your linked prison is generally Wandsworth. There are exceptions if the prison is full or you are a female ot juvenile.

You misunderstood me.

It doesn't matter.

[A1VDY]

pip t said:

Sa Calobra said:

Shed loads of people out. I think it's time for a total lockdown. People are using it to abuse the interpretation of being outside and essential travel.

Just to clarify, the fact that you think it's time for a 'total lockdown' - is that because you're concerned that the 'shed loads of people out and about' will increase virus transmission, or because you think they're 'getting away with it' and shouldn't be?

Also, what would you regard as 'a total lockdown?' Which freedoms that we currently have would you remove?

And finally, could you please justify to me, as someone who has observed the current restrictions in full, why I should have further freedoms removed? Taking into account the fact that government modelling was assuming somewhere between 20% and 25% non compliance with the current measures?

Edited by pip t on Saturday 11th April 17:05

It Should be total lockdown Inc this farce of ' excercise'. I'm as strong and the fittest I think I've ever been. An outside mutigym and weight bench, various free weights, rowing machine and bike see to that. No, not everyone wants to use weights but there is so much you can do at home, there's absolutely no reason to go out to excercise. I'm an ex BAWLA (British amateur weight lifting association) gym instructor but rarely ever see the inside of a gym anymore nor do I find this 'need' that all and sundry seem to have to get out and use excercise as an excuse. Capt Tom Moore is a very good example.
Just going on a weekly trip to the supermarket I don't think I've ever seen just so many idiots out there 'excercising'..

[Macneil]

A1VDY said:

pip t said:

Sa Calobra said:

Shed loads of people out. I think it's time for a total lockdown. People are using it to abuse the interpretation of being outside and essential travel.

Just to clarify, the fact that you think it's time for a 'total lockdown' - is that because you're concerned that the 'shed loads of people out and about' will increase virus transmission, or because you think they're 'getting away with it' and shouldn't be?

Also, what would you regard as 'a total lockdown?' Which freedoms that we currently have would you remove?

And finally, could you please justify to me, as someone who has observed the current restrictions in full, why I should have further freedoms removed? Taking into account the fact that government modelling was assuming somewhere between 20% and 25% non compliance with the current measures?

Edited by pip t on Saturday 11th April 17:05

It Should be total lockdown Inc this farce of ' excercise'. I'm as strong and the fittest I think I've ever been. An outside mutigym and weight bench, various free weights, rowing machine and bike see to that. No, not everyone wants to use weights but there is so much you can do at home, there's absolutely no reason to go out to excercise. I'm an ex BAWLA (British amateur weight lifting association) gym instructor but rarely ever see the inside of a gym anymore nor do I find this 'need' that all and sundry seem to have to get out and use excercise as an excuse. Capt Tom Moore is a very good example.
Just going on a weekly trip to the supermarket I don't think I've ever seen just so many idiots out there 'excercising'..

Wow what an attitude! Rather than count your blessings - the space and money to have an outside multigym and several pieces of fitness equipment inside your home you think people out for a walk...while you go to the supermarket... are idiots. Complete breathtaking arrogance.

[ChevronB19]

A1VDY said:

pip t said:

Sa Calobra said:

Shed loads of people out. I think it's time for a total lockdown. People are using it to abuse the interpretation of being outside and essential travel.

Just to clarify, the fact that you think it's time for a 'total lockdown' - is that because you're concerned that the 'shed loads of people out and about' will increase virus transmission, or because you think they're 'getting away with it' and shouldn't be?

Also, what would you regard as 'a total lockdown?' Which freedoms that we currently have would you remove?

And finally, could you please justify to me, as someone who has observed the current restrictions in full, why I should have further freedoms removed? Taking into account the fact that government modelling was assuming somewhere between 20% and 25% non compliance with the current measures?

Edited by pip t on Saturday 11th April 17:05

It Should be total lockdown Inc this farce of ' excercise'. I'm as strong and the fittest I think I've ever been. An outside mutigym and weight bench, various free weights, rowing machine and bike see to that. No, not everyone wants to use weights but there is so much you can do at home, there's absolutely no reason to go out to excercise. I'm an ex BAWLA (British amateur weight lifting association) gym instructor but rarely ever see the inside of a gym anymore nor do I find this 'need' that all and sundry seem to have to get out and use excercise as an excuse. Capt Tom Moore is a very good example.
Just going on a weekly trip to the supermarket I don't think I've ever seen just so many idiots out there 'excercising'..

Where’s the facepalm and powerfully built Director emoji?

[pip t]

A1VDY said:

It Should be total lockdown Inc this farce of ' excercise'. I'm as strong and the fittest I think I've ever been. An outside mutigym and weight bench, various free weights, rowing machine and bike see to that. No, not everyone wants to use weights but there is so much you can do at home, there's absolutely no reason to go out to excercise. I'm an ex BAWLA (British amateur weight lifting association) gym instructor but rarely ever see the inside of a gym anymore nor do I find this 'need' that all and sundry seem to have to get out and use excercise as an excuse. Capt Tom Moore is a very good example.
Just going on a weekly trip to the supermarket I don't think I've ever seen just so many idiots out there 'excercising'..

Wow, that’s, erm, quite something...

I’ll just politely disagree with you and leave it there I think!

[survivalist]

This thread seems to be replacing the ‘driving during lockdown’ threads. They died off when the more puritanical posters realised that driving somewhere wasn’t actually illegal.

Seems we’ve now moved on to people should only exercise at home and a tighter lockdown required.

Once again people seem to be forgetting that the aim is to prevent the spread of a virus, rather than blindly implement a set of arbitrary rules.

Sorry to disappoint you but the lockdown will only get more relaxed from now on. For those that fancy a drive out with limited traffic, now is the time.

[survivalist]

survivalist said:

This thread seems to be replacing the ‘driving during lockdown’ threads. They died off when the more puritanical posters realised that driving somewhere wasn’t actually illegal.

Seems we’ve now moved on to people should only exercise at home and a tighter lockdown required.

Once again people seem to be forgetting that the aim is to prevent the spread of a virus, rather than blindly implementing a set of arbitrary rules.

Sorry to disappoint you but the lockdown will only get more relaxed from now on. For those that fancy a drive out with limited traffic, now is the time.

[BossHogg]

ChevronB19 said:

Where’s the facepalm and powerfully built Director emoji?

Yep, strong in arm, thick in head!

[Drumroll]

A1VDY said:

It Should be total lockdown Inc this farce of ' excercise'. I'm as strong and the fittest I think I've ever been. An outside mutigym and weight bench, various free weights, rowing machine and bike see to that. No, not everyone wants to use weights but there is so much you can do at home, there's absolutely no reason to go out to excercise. I'm an ex BAWLA (British amateur weight lifting association) gym instructor but rarely ever see the inside of a gym anymore nor do I find this 'need' that all and sundry seem to have to get out and use excercise as an excuse. Capt Tom Moore is a very good example.
Just going on a weekly trip to the supermarket I don't think I've ever seen just so many idiots out there 'excercising'..

Apart from the fact that not everybody has the room for a multigym nor the money. A lot of people out exercising now would have been going to a gym.

[R Mutt]

Just listening to a bit on R4 about the slowdown of the legal system. I was surprised to hear concerns over how a jury might (or might not) react over video evidence. Surely this medium would extract some of the emotion and leave the juror with something more objective and factual.

[daytona355]

Gameface said:

I'd like to know more about this and your plans for him, or were you just angry at the time of posting?

Really? I’m very confident that when this individual arrives at prison, and those residing there know what he did, it’s likely he will not be befriended by too many others. They may shun him. That would be so lonely for the poor soul. Of course, he may end up on section away from the rest due to it being a sexual attack, which would mark him out for ridicule among his peers.

He won’t be able to buy enough drugs, because he’s a piece of crap with nothing, he will need to rely on selling other things if he wants to raise funds for drugs. If he does that, he may need to buy Vaseline, as for poor inmates, drugs make your bum sore in prison!

Is this the sort of thing you are expecting? You surely aren’t expecting me to be some lunatic out for revenge over and above that exacted by the law in an open and shut case that carries serious bird as a sentencing requirement? You’ve watched too many tv soaps and dramas

[Gameface]

daytona355 said:

Gameface said:

I'd like to know more about this and your plans for him, or were you just angry at the time of posting?

Really? I’m very confident that when this individual arrives at prison, and those residing there know what he did, it’s likely he will not be befriended by too many others. They may shun him. That would be so lonely for the poor soul. Of course, he may end up on section away from the rest due to it being a sexual attack, which would mark him out for ridicule among his peers.

He won’t be able to buy enough drugs, because he’s a piece of crap with nothing, he will need to rely on selling other things if he wants to raise funds for drugs. If he does that, he may need to buy Vaseline, as for poor inmates, drugs make your bum sore in prison!

Is this the sort of thing you are expecting? You surely aren’t expecting me to be some lunatic out for revenge over and above that exacted by the law in an open and shut case that carries serious bird as a sentencing requirement? You’ve watched too many tv soaps and dramas

I clearly totally misinterpreted your words below. Oops.

daytona355 said:

I know people, so prison will be fun for him this time around, guaranteed.

And yes, I gain all my knowledge of violence and prison from television.

[daytona355]

Gameface said:

And yes, I gain all my knowledge of violence and prison from television.

I’m glad I cleared that up for you. Seeing some of the comments (and especially the one from someone that surmised I had been ‘inside’, my personal favorite) I got the impression people had decided Tony Soprano had joined the forum! I’m of a mind that ten years bird, lonely, struggling to get his drugs without much pain and violence, no friends, the fear of prison violence for the slightest wrong step, and the loss of your personal freedom for such a long time, that’s pretty good punishment. I wouldn’t want to do a day, let alone years, for loss of my personal freedom. Also, bear in mind, he didn’t even manage to get his dick out, let alone actually complete his attack, talk about a failure.... what an ahole!

My wife is absolutely ready to go to court and face him, and give evidence, as the video doesnt do it as much justice as her giving her first hand account. She is not frightened of doing so, as so many people might be, because she is brave, and she has me sat in the gallery and then making sure she can leave the court safely. My main concern is that he will have friends there to try to intimidate her, but I’m pretty sure they won’t be able to get close. I won’t take any of our cars to court, we will Uber it, just to make sure they don’t decide to attack the cars to get their point across. I had considered they may even try to get our home address, but here we have Guard dogs, security fencing, and I have a shotgun licence, so any attack here would be rather futile as they would leave with imprints Japanese Akitas teeth in their arris‘s

[Gameface]

daytona355 said:

My main concern is that he will have friends there to try to intimidate her, but I’m pretty sure they won’t be able to get close. I won’t take any of our cars to court, we will Uber it, just to make sure they don’t decide to attack the cars to get their point across.

And I've been watching too much television?

[daytona355]

Gameface said:

And I've been watching too much television?

You don’t think there’s a risk at court? The police have already advised they will be assigning two officers to be with her at all times in the building, and offered to collect us from home and drive us back, as they said it’s better to expect there to be some issues than to ignore the possibility.

Hey, I’m with you, I want it to be nice and easy, but I don’t want to come out of court and find the tyres slashed on the ferrari, or a massive scratch down the side

[Gameface]

From what you've said he's just a junkie, he's not connected.

I've been rather disingenuous with you. I'm familiar with prison, violence and other aspects of criminality.

Nothing will happen at court. Your wife will be fine.

Good luck with the case.

[daytona355]

Some people let life happen to them, and around them. I’m not that person, I like to control my environment, and make sure things go the way I want them too. Whether you or anyone else agree with me or not doesn’t concern me. My only concern is me and er indoors.

Hence, I will be prepared. The police will deal with things legally. I will not be thinking of the attackers family when he is sent down, I don’t care if they all starve, or are homeless, or kill themselves over his loss..... fk them.

I know that I come across as a dinosaur, someone who has morals but also believes that your actions have consequences, and that if you don’t accept the consequences you shouldn’t do the action, not do it anyway and then pretend your mummy spanked you as a child so you should be let off. I’m no snowflake, I have NO social conscience, I made my own life and I don’t have to help anyway with theirs. Criminals should expect to be treated harshly, end of story. There is no excuse for drug use, and drug use is not an excuse to try to rape someone. He will pay for his crime, and we won’t shed a single tear for the loss of his ‘youthful promise’ that his brief will no doubt attempt to use to cover up his clients evil intentions and past history of violent attacks.

Due to his history, and that of his circle of friends, I will be prepared, I won’t be found lacking, and if he gets hurt in an attack, so be it. Whatever I do will only be in self defence, but don’t be fooled into thinking I would leave us defenceless just because there are a lot of soppy tts around here that think we should give him a job and pay for his drugs for the poor defenceless little prick