Police Driver on the Phone!

Police Driver on the Phone!

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NightDriver

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1,080 posts

227 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Hi,

This morning when I was driving into college for an exam I saw a Police Transit van drive round the roundabout infront of me ON HIS MOBILE PHONE! His line around the roundabout was very bad and he didn't indicate. If I wasn't running a little bit late I would have followed him and got his plate and reported him.

One rule for us, one rule for them.

Dibble

12,938 posts

241 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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NightDriver said:
One rule for us, one rule for them.


No the same rules for all, just the Police sometimes have limited exemptions.

If this happened, he was in the wrong. Are you sure it was a mobile, and not his radio?

NightDriver

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1,080 posts

227 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Definitely a mobile. He had the window down elbow out with his mobile up to his ear. Seemed completely oblivious to what was going on around him.

gone

6,649 posts

264 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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NightDriver said:
Definitely a mobile. He had the window down elbow out with his mobile up to his ear. Seemed completely oblivious to what was going on around him.


The rules are the same. If he had been caught, then he would have been dealt with.

theexcession

11,669 posts

251 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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gone said:
The rules are the same. If he had been caught, then he would have been dealt with.


Surely he should of nicked himself? Or maybe he was just ordering an ounce for the weekend?


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NightDriver

Original Poster:

1,080 posts

227 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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The rules are the same. If he had been caught, then he would have been dealt with.


Thats not the point though. Surely as a police officer he should be setting an example. He enforces the law so should stick to it.

silverback mike

11,290 posts

254 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Yes, indeed.

Tonyrec

3,984 posts

256 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Ive used my phone once when driving on duty and it would have looked bad to other people that saw.
However,my radio didnt work and it was a real emergency (which could be justified).

Whats to say that it wasnt the same as this situation

Dont we all have an exemption when making an emergency call?

gh0st

4,693 posts

259 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Tonyrec said:


Dont we all have an exemption when making an emergency call?


Doubt it - same as the arguement of "would you risk speeding up to get out of an officers way"? You really really honestly think that if someone was caught it wouldnt be a tremendous amount of effort to prove it WAS an emergency???

And then you would be fighting against the helicopters. forensic scientists, armed response units that they would put up to make sure you got prosecuted.

God help you if they found an apple core in the car!!

Its not good mate - alienation is happening at an alarming rate!

Pigeon

18,535 posts

247 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Surely all 999 calls are logged? Shouldn't be a problem... or is your point that "shouldn't" is the operative word?

NightDriver

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1,080 posts

227 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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If it was that much of an emergency he could have turned around and driven 50 metres back to the police station!

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6,649 posts

264 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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NightDriver said:

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The rules are the same. If he had been caught, then he would have been dealt with.



Thats not the point though. Surely as a police officer he should be setting an example. He enforces the law so should stick to it.


As SBM said. Indeed!

The rules are plain. Discipline regs are plain. If he had been caught or a complaint received, he would been dealt with. He may have had his phone seized as evidence and if he had been involved in a collision, the basis of his phone use would have been used to form prosecution evidence which depending on the outcome of the accident, may have serious consequences.

He should have been setting an example!

There is a choice. Turn it off when driving a vehicle.

Problem is that control rooms can get sh1tty if they cannot contact you and start marking up logs stating you were uncontactable because you did not answer the radio (force policy states that you should not operate phone equipment when in motion. Airwaves is basically phone equipment ).

I find turning my phone off and not answering the radio makes for a fairly quiet day when I have to drive at work !

busa_rush

6,930 posts

252 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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He may have had his phone seized as evidence and if he had been involved in a collision, the basis of his phone use would have been used to form prosecution evidence which depending on the outcome of the accident, may have serious consequences.


Daft woman who drove into me because she was on the 'phone wasn't even questioned, police weren't interested. £1500 worth of damage and she wasn't even contacted. If I had done £1500 of damage to the police station I'd have been 'questioned', witnesses or not.

gone

6,649 posts

264 months

Monday 20th June 2005
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Quinny said:
Why aren't the vehicles fitted with hands free or blue tooth?


They are!
Force policy states you will not use it!

Unless you happen to be the firearms cadre commander on route to an incident!!

MilnerR

8,273 posts

259 months

Tuesday 21st June 2005
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What are police communications like? I remember talking to a police inspector a number of years ago who was part of a team involved in implementing an encrypted radio system that worked via the mobile phone system (you could also use the system to make conventional calls). It seems that a reliable intergrated system of communication would be a lot better than a dodgy not-too-secure radio link and a nokia.......
Driving round manchester i've often seen police vans with the driver juggling a radio and mobile phone...

outrider

352 posts

246 months

Tuesday 21st June 2005
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MilnerR said:
What are police communications like? I remember talking to a police inspector a number of years ago who was part of a team involved in implementing an encrypted radio system that worked via the mobile phone system (you could also use the system to make conventional calls). It seems that a reliable intergrated system of communication would be a lot better than a dodgy not-too-secure radio link and a nokia.......
Driving round manchester i've often seen police vans with the driver juggling a radio and mobile phone...


I believe Police comms have to be interoperable with EU police forces now i.e. Gestapo, STAZI etc.

gone

6,649 posts

264 months

Tuesday 21st June 2005
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MilnerR said:
What are police communications like? I remember talking to a police inspector a number of years ago who was part of a team involved in implementing an encrypted radio system that worked via the mobile phone system (you could also use the system to make conventional calls). It seems that a reliable intergrated system of communication would be a lot better than a dodgy not-too-secure radio link and a nokia.......
Driving round manchester i've often seen police vans with the driver juggling a radio and mobile phone...


Its called TETRA (airwaves) run/operated by O2!

It was marketed as the best thing since sliced.....

IT isn't!

Tonyrec

3,984 posts

256 months

Tuesday 21st June 2005
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gh0st said:

Tonyrec said:


Dont we all have an exemption when making an emergency call?



Doubt it - same as the arguement of "would you risk speeding up to get out of an officers way"? You really really honestly think that if someone was caught it wouldnt be a tremendous amount of effort to prove it WAS an emergency???



Last number redial.....if its 999 then youre ok, if its Aunty Betty then youre in trouble

Tonyrec

3,984 posts

256 months

Tuesday 21st June 2005
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NightDriver said:
If it was that much of an emergency he could have turned around and driven 50 metres back to the police station!


Im not saying that this is or was the case.....just something to think about.

Raify

6,552 posts

249 months

Tuesday 21st June 2005
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Perhaps he was a highly trained mobile phone user, testing the capabilities of his handset?
I shouldn't imagine that's dangerous at all, and I'm sure a magistrate or two would agree!