How many times have you been 'pulled over' ?
Poll: How many times have you been 'pulled over' ?
Total Members Polled: 492
Discussion
"without reason" is one of the questions
The police probably had reason (car type, time of night, speed, insurance check). I'm sure mort people who get stopped for poorly spaced plates, blacked out windows and the like think there is no reason for the stop.
In fact I used to have a sticker in the car asking the police to stop it if it was seen out late at night (I forget the hours) on the principle that if it was it had almost certainly been stolen.
The police probably had reason (car type, time of night, speed, insurance check). I'm sure mort people who get stopped for poorly spaced plates, blacked out windows and the like think there is no reason for the stop.
In fact I used to have a sticker in the car asking the police to stop it if it was seen out late at night (I forget the hours) on the principle that if it was it had almost certainly been stolen.
IJWS15 said:
"without reason" is one of the questions
Sometimes there is no reason other than profiling - Whether it be a Black guy in London with a dodgy looking car or a white guy with a normal looking car driven at an "odd time". Sometimes it's on a hunch. Sometimes it's just because - I didn't and don't resent the police for my many stops, but mostly found it irritating. Each time, I was polite and forthcoming and not a dick about being pulledIJWS15 said:
I'm sure most people who get stopped for poorly spaced plates, blacked out windows and the like think there is no reason for the stop.
I actually wish the police did more of that sometimes
Just once last Christmas Eve - I had a dodgy brake light which I wasn’t aware of.
Traffic police pulled me over & as it was Xmas they were doing random breath tests. Being on my way home from work I passed the test.
Oddly I stopped straight away. Didn’t drive on the wrong side of the road. Didn’t refuse to get out of the car. Wasn’t offended by being stopped. Didn’t demand an apology for being pulled over........
Traffic police pulled me over & as it was Xmas they were doing random breath tests. Being on my way home from work I passed the test.
Oddly I stopped straight away. Didn’t drive on the wrong side of the road. Didn’t refuse to get out of the car. Wasn’t offended by being stopped. Didn’t demand an apology for being pulled over........
The Brummie said:
Just once last Christmas Eve - I had a dodgy brake light which I wasn’t aware of.
Traffic police pulled me over & as it was Xmas they were doing random breath tests. Being on my way home from work I passed the test.
Oddly I stopped straight away. Didn’t drive on the wrong side of the road. Didn’t refuse to get out of the car. Wasn’t offended by being stopped. Didn’t demand an apology for being pulled over........
Not trying to bait on this but I come from the stance of liking to know the basic rules a bit and politely questioning or resisting unreasonable behaviour where necessary.Traffic police pulled me over & as it was Xmas they were doing random breath tests. Being on my way home from work I passed the test.
Oddly I stopped straight away. Didn’t drive on the wrong side of the road. Didn’t refuse to get out of the car. Wasn’t offended by being stopped. Didn’t demand an apology for being pulled over........
From your above aside it comes across that you unquestionably believe what the police say and that their accounts of an incident are the whole truth.
As a counter point (sorry!!!) the 'stopees' from the small bit I saw, sound like they followed Gov. advice
'you should always pull over when it’s safe to do so. You’re breaking the law if you do not stop.'
They did stop in a parking spot on a busy, narrow road.
https://www.gov.uk/stopped-by-police-while-driving...
There is no requirement for you to leave your vehicle or get into a police vehicle during a stop and I'm sure officers on here will confirm it's used as a way of gaining compliance/confession or personal comfort for them, no one likes standing in the rain!
Through my eyes it also looked like a very aggressive, escalating (on police side) stop with batons and glass hammer drawn and several officers surrounding the vehicle shouting commands. I've never experienced that but looked bloody terrifying.
Worryingly it felt very 'American/special forces' to me with ultra aggression being used by the officers pretty quickly. A hundred miles from 'bobby stops' most of the anecdotes described on here - 'a polite tap on the window and a chat' which is also my UK experience, note: I never got out of my car during my 3 stops.
-where was the cannabis an attending officer could smell in the car? Interestingly that 'smell' allows Police to search car. They didn't mention this in any of their PR statements I have seen?
-They were both handcuffed, her child was in the car and the driver looked slight, also police acknowledged they had a baby in the car at the outset, so fight and flight risk? The Met now seem to be rightly concerned about this aspect of the stop.
-I imagine they will be suing the police for assault and battery
APCO guidance on handcuffing actual police view welcome!
Just a couple of paras but guidance doesn't sound like how the above incident played out and the incident is now how I'd expect our Police service to treat people. I genuinely wonder if anyone on here would be happy to be treated in this way?
SECTION 2 - GUIDANCE, ADVICE AND PROCEDURES (ACPO Guidance on the use of Handcuffs Date printed: 04/11/10 - Version 2
2.1 Use of Handcuffs
2.1.2 Any intentional application of force to the person of another is an assault. The use of handcuffs amounts to such an assault and is unlawful unless it can be justified. Justification is achieved through establishing not only a legal right to use handcuffs, but also good objective grounds for doing so in order to show that what the officer or member of police staff did was a reasonable, necessary and proportionate use of force.
2.1.7(i) In establishing an objective basis for believing that a person may escape or attempt to escape, an officer or member of police staff may react to whatever the person says or does, but need not wait for a physical act. The officer or member of police staff should take into account the seriousness of the offence for which the person has been detained. Depending on the circumstances, this can induce a level of desperation so that an attempt to escape could reasonably be expected. Previous indications of the person’s likelihood to escape can also be considered to establish reasonable grounds to handcuff
More here - could be out of date https://www.npcc.police.uk/documents/FoI%20publica...
Edited by hoganscrogan on Friday 10th July 16:42
I just did as I was asked.
My car had a fault which I wasn’t aware of - I was asked to sit in the back of the traffic car whilst they confirmed my details & I blew into the machine.
Simple as that. I passed the test, was politely told too get my lights sorted & that was it. No drama.
It’s easy really.
My car had a fault which I wasn’t aware of - I was asked to sit in the back of the traffic car whilst they confirmed my details & I blew into the machine.
Simple as that. I passed the test, was politely told too get my lights sorted & that was it. No drama.
It’s easy really.
Been stopped 20 + times, when I was younger.
17-21, 2.8 capri, golf gti, 2.3 ghia cortina.
Just regular stop checks for insurance/mot(no computers in those days).
Never had a problem with the police, BUT, I never gave them any lip and was always polite.
Last time I got stopped was about 2 years ago, 0430am, driving my land rover defender to work, copper explained that they were stopping a lot of defender drivers because there had been a bad spate of thefts.
Thanked him for stopping me, checked my details, and I was on my way.
I am convinced, 99% of people that have problems when stopped give the police attitude.
17-21, 2.8 capri, golf gti, 2.3 ghia cortina.
Just regular stop checks for insurance/mot(no computers in those days).
Never had a problem with the police, BUT, I never gave them any lip and was always polite.
Last time I got stopped was about 2 years ago, 0430am, driving my land rover defender to work, copper explained that they were stopping a lot of defender drivers because there had been a bad spate of thefts.
Thanked him for stopping me, checked my details, and I was on my way.
I am convinced, 99% of people that have problems when stopped give the police attitude.
Agree that passing the test is possible. I think this thread is whether your complexion can take that control out of your hands and make it much harder to pass, even if totally polite and non aggressive.
My stance stems from my only, non car related incident with police, where I stopped a very drunk and drugged relative from driving out of my drive. Friends throwing rocks under moving wheels and me, trying to get keys out ignition, hanging out drivers window kind of situation, quite stressful and not how we’d planned the evening.
Ambulance service called police as BIL’s (Brother in law if you don’t frequent mums net!) injuries had been described as punch related.
The only brown friend there, who is the meekest person you could get, was consoling and looking after the BIL (Who had been suggesting euthanising said friends newborn earlier!!) down the drive at the gatehouse, waiting for ambulance, when police arrived. He ended up with a forearm across his neck against a wall. Luckily he managed to explain it was someone else they needed to talk to.
Three officers arrived in my front room, two said nothing. The one questioning was immediately aggressive and repeatedly trying to get me to say I had hit someone. Explained as above and that the whole incident was fast and confusing, trying to stop drunk driver, no idea how teeth came out etc. I was one glass of wine in so being sober helped.
From my observation of the situation she really wanted to arrest me and was getting increasingly annoyed that I wouldn’t say I had hit anyone. I was training as a teacher and have friends and family in USA so even an arrest with no conviction can make both these impossible.
Eventually I threw bil further under the bus and told police officer he had previous DD convictions and I was sure it wasn’t just drink involved here. They walked off never to be seen again and BiL spent the next 3 days in hospital, completely unaware of what had happened and his actions.
Long story I know!! But point is through BiLs actions I was put into the situation of being a suspect and I saw a side of police behaviour I don’t want to see again and that could easily have seen me locked up if I had not known to ‘never speak to the police,‘ (I mean volunteering possibly incriminating facts) i had asked everyone there to provide as little detail as possible if asked once I knew police were in bound.
Interestingly my wife was very annoyed by me requesting that our group stance should be ‘didn’t see anything, confusing’, being of the mind that I should just tell the police exactly what happened. When police left she had changed her mind and was surprised how one dimensional and aggressive the questioning had been. She said all they were trying to get you to say was that you hit him!
If I’d said I’d hit him I’m pretty sure cuffs and cells would have been the rest of my evening.
Just to add I’m not anti police and value their work. But I am really concerned by the Americanisation of our service. If you look at a regular police officer today, add a hood and gas mask, they wouldn’t look out of place on a balcony outside the Iranian embassy about to take out some terrorists.
Very few of us physically end up in the cross hairs of the System, and my very mild experience really surprised me how mindlessly blunt it can be and how one wrong word would have brought its powers down on my head.
Try and imagine how stressful your life would be if that authority could impose itself on you, without any way of controlling it, because you look a certain way. Walking out your front door becomes a game of cat and mouse where, if you have had a bad day, say a wrong word, or just look wrong and then fail an arbitrary, unwritten personal to an individual officers ‘attitude test’ you’re manhandled, manacled and/or locked in a cell.
I just think we should all be a bit more questioning about the actions of authority in general and willing to hold them to account and agitate for change if found necessary.
My stance stems from my only, non car related incident with police, where I stopped a very drunk and drugged relative from driving out of my drive. Friends throwing rocks under moving wheels and me, trying to get keys out ignition, hanging out drivers window kind of situation, quite stressful and not how we’d planned the evening.
Ambulance service called police as BIL’s (Brother in law if you don’t frequent mums net!) injuries had been described as punch related.
The only brown friend there, who is the meekest person you could get, was consoling and looking after the BIL (Who had been suggesting euthanising said friends newborn earlier!!) down the drive at the gatehouse, waiting for ambulance, when police arrived. He ended up with a forearm across his neck against a wall. Luckily he managed to explain it was someone else they needed to talk to.
Three officers arrived in my front room, two said nothing. The one questioning was immediately aggressive and repeatedly trying to get me to say I had hit someone. Explained as above and that the whole incident was fast and confusing, trying to stop drunk driver, no idea how teeth came out etc. I was one glass of wine in so being sober helped.
From my observation of the situation she really wanted to arrest me and was getting increasingly annoyed that I wouldn’t say I had hit anyone. I was training as a teacher and have friends and family in USA so even an arrest with no conviction can make both these impossible.
Eventually I threw bil further under the bus and told police officer he had previous DD convictions and I was sure it wasn’t just drink involved here. They walked off never to be seen again and BiL spent the next 3 days in hospital, completely unaware of what had happened and his actions.
Long story I know!! But point is through BiLs actions I was put into the situation of being a suspect and I saw a side of police behaviour I don’t want to see again and that could easily have seen me locked up if I had not known to ‘never speak to the police,‘ (I mean volunteering possibly incriminating facts) i had asked everyone there to provide as little detail as possible if asked once I knew police were in bound.
Interestingly my wife was very annoyed by me requesting that our group stance should be ‘didn’t see anything, confusing’, being of the mind that I should just tell the police exactly what happened. When police left she had changed her mind and was surprised how one dimensional and aggressive the questioning had been. She said all they were trying to get you to say was that you hit him!
If I’d said I’d hit him I’m pretty sure cuffs and cells would have been the rest of my evening.
Just to add I’m not anti police and value their work. But I am really concerned by the Americanisation of our service. If you look at a regular police officer today, add a hood and gas mask, they wouldn’t look out of place on a balcony outside the Iranian embassy about to take out some terrorists.
Very few of us physically end up in the cross hairs of the System, and my very mild experience really surprised me how mindlessly blunt it can be and how one wrong word would have brought its powers down on my head.
Try and imagine how stressful your life would be if that authority could impose itself on you, without any way of controlling it, because you look a certain way. Walking out your front door becomes a game of cat and mouse where, if you have had a bad day, say a wrong word, or just look wrong and then fail an arbitrary, unwritten personal to an individual officers ‘attitude test’ you’re manhandled, manacled and/or locked in a cell.
I just think we should all be a bit more questioning about the actions of authority in general and willing to hold them to account and agitate for change if found necessary.
Edited by hoganscrogan on Saturday 11th July 09:58
twice
once when 17 cut a corner and nearly took the front off a rover 3.5 police car, i stopped, he turned around, got the b
king of my life i wasn't going to out run him in my mum's mini metro even though it was a rover and would have probably fallen apart in any chase
around four/five years ago after id been to Germany and obviously thought i was still there on the M'way, got a 'talking to' but i was praised for my patience around other drivers, just not the speed i kept reaching when they moved over
once when 17 cut a corner and nearly took the front off a rover 3.5 police car, i stopped, he turned around, got the b
king of my life i wasn't going to out run him in my mum's mini metro even though it was a rover and would have probably fallen apart in any chasearound four/five years ago after id been to Germany and obviously thought i was still there on the M'way, got a 'talking to' but i was praised for my patience around other drivers, just not the speed i kept reaching when they moved over
Also male and pale, and a (relatively) old fart to boot, yet I get stopped quite regularly. I think the reason is simply that the Plod are bored.
I work odd hours, so I'm frequently driving home after midnight, and in the summer I'll often have the roof down.
As there's very little traffic it's a very enjoyable time to drive, and I'll usually be driving briskly. Although I'm not usually speeding I'm probably driving more quickly than they're used to seeing, and, as I said, they're probably bored.
There's no attempt at subtlety. I can see them set off (or sometimes they turn round, having passed me going the other way) and when I see them arriving in my mirror I just set the cruise control to very slightly above the limit (say 63 in a 60) and await the inevitable.
They usually follow me for a mile or so and then switch the lights on. I'll pull over, and get out of the car to speak to them. Often I’ll make a light-hearted comment about it, for example "I wondered how long it'd take you".
They're invariably pleasant and good-humoured, and they usually just ask my name and address and where I'm going. Sometimes they'll justify stopping me by saying I seemed to be going fairly quickly, and I'll simply respond that I was within the speed limit, which, of course, I would have been. Or the other excuse is that there have been several thefts of cars like mine in the area, and it's partly a routine check and partly to warn me.
Occasionally – maybe 1 in 10 times - they'll ask if I'd mind taking a breath test, and of course I always oblige, knowing I'll blow zero.
Although many people would resent it I can't say it bothers me - in fact, it's quite an entertaining game in some ways, as I know I've done nothing wrong so I quite enjoy demonstrating that I'm a model citizen. Initially, I hoped that having been stopped and found to be clean a couple of times I'd be noted as a `good chap' on their records so that they wouldn't bother in future, but sadly they don’t seem to have any such records.
I'd emphasise that this only ever happens late at night, never during the day.
I work odd hours, so I'm frequently driving home after midnight, and in the summer I'll often have the roof down.
As there's very little traffic it's a very enjoyable time to drive, and I'll usually be driving briskly. Although I'm not usually speeding I'm probably driving more quickly than they're used to seeing, and, as I said, they're probably bored.
There's no attempt at subtlety. I can see them set off (or sometimes they turn round, having passed me going the other way) and when I see them arriving in my mirror I just set the cruise control to very slightly above the limit (say 63 in a 60) and await the inevitable.
They usually follow me for a mile or so and then switch the lights on. I'll pull over, and get out of the car to speak to them. Often I’ll make a light-hearted comment about it, for example "I wondered how long it'd take you".
They're invariably pleasant and good-humoured, and they usually just ask my name and address and where I'm going. Sometimes they'll justify stopping me by saying I seemed to be going fairly quickly, and I'll simply respond that I was within the speed limit, which, of course, I would have been. Or the other excuse is that there have been several thefts of cars like mine in the area, and it's partly a routine check and partly to warn me.
Occasionally – maybe 1 in 10 times - they'll ask if I'd mind taking a breath test, and of course I always oblige, knowing I'll blow zero.
Although many people would resent it I can't say it bothers me - in fact, it's quite an entertaining game in some ways, as I know I've done nothing wrong so I quite enjoy demonstrating that I'm a model citizen. Initially, I hoped that having been stopped and found to be clean a couple of times I'd be noted as a `good chap' on their records so that they wouldn't bother in future, but sadly they don’t seem to have any such records.
I'd emphasise that this only ever happens late at night, never during the day.
ghost83 said:
What is bame and non bame
have you been locked out of google ?just in case..
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/englis...
Twice in nineteen years. Both in central London.
First time was for a broken rear light on an Alfa. The officer politely asked me to get it fixed.
Second time I was pulled over in a Maserati by a policeman on a bicycle, for doing more than 20 through the Barbican tunnel. I might be the first person here to be stopped for speeding by a cycle cop? I tried claiming the car is louder than it is fast and got away with a ticking off.
Not BAME.
First time was for a broken rear light on an Alfa. The officer politely asked me to get it fixed.
Second time I was pulled over in a Maserati by a policeman on a bicycle, for doing more than 20 through the Barbican tunnel. I might be the first person here to be stopped for speeding by a cycle cop? I tried claiming the car is louder than it is fast and got away with a ticking off.
Not BAME.
Non BAME, >20 times for good reason (speeding, leaving black lines up the road, young bloke out late at night in expensive car etc), and >20 times for no reason ("routine check"), but I am just turned 70, riding motorcycles since 16, other driving since 17, and covered more than 2,000,000 miles internationally. Breathalysed numerous times, never failed, stopped for speeding numerous times, nicked for it twice, slapped wrist on other occasions, plus two camera nickings.
I never objected to any of the stops, random or legitimate, only one of the cops had a poor attitude, and if it helps to keep drunks, theives, the uninsured, unroadworthy, idiots etc off the roads, it's well worth the occasional 5 minute inconvenience.
I never objected to any of the stops, random or legitimate, only one of the cops had a poor attitude, and if it helps to keep drunks, theives, the uninsured, unroadworthy, idiots etc off the roads, it's well worth the occasional 5 minute inconvenience.
Another pale male here.
I drove/rode everything like I had stolen it in my late teens/early 20s so when I was out late on a Saturday night near Box Hill I pretty much expected to get stopped on the way home - and wasn't often disappointed!
But I never had an issue with how I was treated.
With the lack of traffic patrols these days all I need to worry about is speed cameras!
Which will never improve driving standards, but may generate some revenue.
I drove/rode everything like I had stolen it in my late teens/early 20s so when I was out late on a Saturday night near Box Hill I pretty much expected to get stopped on the way home - and wasn't often disappointed!
But I never had an issue with how I was treated.
With the lack of traffic patrols these days all I need to worry about is speed cameras!
Which will never improve driving standards, but may generate some revenue.
Nightmare said:
cmvtec said:
Also one police chase. That I didn't know was a police chase.
Feels unfair for not to share a little more detail than that! I was 19 at this time and driving a 1.1 Citroen C2. I had been for dinner in a local club with a lady friend, who had driven there to meet me. She wasn't too familiar with the area so I said I'd lead her to a main road so she could find her way home.
In the process of following me, she pulled out in front of a car causing it to brake heavily. The car turned around and started chasing us, so I allowed her to pass me and then blocked the road, not allowing them to pass, whilst giving her directions on the phone.
Once she'd accelerated off onto a dual carriageway I made it my business to take the two chumps behind me to the cop shop. Only when I came across a road block did I realise that the two tracksuited lads in the Focus chasing me were BiB.
Ended up nicked for DD, charged with CD and in front of a magistrates. 3 points and a fine.
Edited by cmvtec on Tuesday 14th July 13:28
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