People that don’t go the average speed
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My daily commute was on the M4 past Port Talbot. It has always been a 50 zone on the raised part over the town. It had fixed cameras but changed to average speed a while back. Early morning was no problem, just manage speed through the fixed cameras. Evening return was a nightmare. Often on stop due to the bunched up traffic , made worse by the slip roads feeding extra in. The slip roads are dangerous as they are short and ramps from street level. Should be shut off for all except emergency services. Traffic tended to flow better since the average speed cameras came in as fewer speed into the area at higher speeds bunching up traffic, causing over braking effects. Feeding faster traffic off a 70 zone into a 50 just builds it up. They have now extended the 50 zone further West so less opportunity to speed up to clear traffic.
On Saturday I went past the area and almost everyone was doing a decent 50 apart from a couple at 45. Cruise control helps until you catch up with a slower car then adjustment is needed.
On Saturday I went past the area and almost everyone was doing a decent 50 apart from a couple at 45. Cruise control helps until you catch up with a slower car then adjustment is needed.
jev said:
Anyway what do others think is the correct driving technique. Is it still UK style 'lane discipline' or is it more US style 'stick in the same lane at the average speed'.
I get the feeling that lane discipline in the U.S. is supposed to work the same way it's supposed to work in the UK. At least according to Casey Putsch who often has a lot of good and useful stuff to say despite the silly voices he likes to use.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhT5RA48d6g
and the followup response to comments video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lg98ptzts4
JimSuperSix said:
scarble said:
Tyre pressure might be a more significant factor than wear and of course you can't account for massive flat spots and/or cracked side walls either.
And from experience, gps data can be pretty horrific, is ruined by bridges, viaducts, trees, clouds, a stiff breeze etc and I wouldn't try to calibrate a speedo to it.
It just looks OK on screen due to hilarious amounts of filtering.
damn right, the satnav in my car often shows the car heading the wrong way for 30 seconds or driving 100m to the left in the sea etc..., i wouldn't trust it to give me an accurate speed.And from experience, gps data can be pretty horrific, is ruined by bridges, viaducts, trees, clouds, a stiff breeze etc and I wouldn't try to calibrate a speedo to it.
It just looks OK on screen due to hilarious amounts of filtering.
A crappy windscreen-mounted satnav will be inferior to a well integrated system using an expensive GPS chipset and alternative position sources. Don't make the mistake of assuming all GPS is the same.
WJNB said:
I'm happy to be "an idiot in the outside lane" doing 50mph. It means I'm not sandwiched amidst the HGV's & if prats want to tail-gate me because I refuse to speed then tough I just gently ease off the throttle or click down on the cruise control.
Got to love a white knight on a personal crusade getting in the way of everyone. The worst thing about most average speed road works is the 
tards who totally forget or disregard lane discipline and think its ok to sit in the outside lane at 40-45 despite scores of cars undertaking or cruising past in the inside lanes.
I am sure they must be aware of what is happening and are doing it deliberately like the retard quoted a couple posts above.
On the M6 contraflow at the weekend I had some cabbage dawdling in lane one suddenly swerve into lane 3 just at the contraflow start and hold everyone up in the contraflow doing 40mph while everyone behind bunched up as they were doing 50 on GPS. Thetard then proceeded to brake test anytime they got flashed or beeped. They clearly deliberately moved into the contraflow just to wind people up.. Then when the contraflow ended, funnily enough they speed up and shortly when roadworks ended, sped off into the distance well above 80. So they could have driven sensibly but chose not to.
tards who totally forget or disregard lane discipline and think its ok to sit in the outside lane at 40-45 despite scores of cars undertaking or cruising past in the inside lanes.I am sure they must be aware of what is happening and are doing it deliberately like the retard quoted a couple posts above.
On the M6 contraflow at the weekend I had some cabbage dawdling in lane one suddenly swerve into lane 3 just at the contraflow start and hold everyone up in the contraflow doing 40mph while everyone behind bunched up as they were doing 50 on GPS. The
tard then proceeded to brake test anytime they got flashed or beeped. They clearly deliberately moved into the contraflow just to wind people up.. Then when the contraflow ended, funnily enough they speed up and shortly when roadworks ended, sped off into the distance well above 80. So they could have driven sensibly but chose not to. Psycho Warren said:
The worst thing about most average speed road works is the tards who totally forget or disregard lane discipline and think its ok to sit in the outside lane at 40-45 despite scores of cars undertaking or cruising past in the inside lanes.
I am sure they must be aware of what is happening and are doing it deliberately like the retard quoted a couple posts above.
On the M6 contraflow at the weekend I had some cabbage dawdling in lane one suddenly swerve into lane 3 just at the contraflow start and hold everyone up in the contraflow doing 40mph while everyone behind bunched up as they were doing 50 on GPS. Thetard then proceeded to brake test anytime they got flashed or beeped. They clearly deliberately moved into the contraflow just to wind people up.. Then when the contraflow ended, funnily enough they speed up and shortly when roadworks ended, sped off into the distance well above 80. So they could have driven sensibly but chose not to.
What a prat. I typically try to avoid the contraflows for reasons like this..! tards who totally forget or disregard lane discipline and think its ok to sit in the outside lane at 40-45 despite scores of cars undertaking or cruising past in the inside lanes.I am sure they must be aware of what is happening and are doing it deliberately like the retard quoted a couple posts above.
On the M6 contraflow at the weekend I had some cabbage dawdling in lane one suddenly swerve into lane 3 just at the contraflow start and hold everyone up in the contraflow doing 40mph while everyone behind bunched up as they were doing 50 on GPS. The
tard then proceeded to brake test anytime they got flashed or beeped. They clearly deliberately moved into the contraflow just to wind people up.. Then when the contraflow ended, funnily enough they speed up and shortly when roadworks ended, sped off into the distance well above 80. So they could have driven sensibly but chose not to. 
blueacid said:
What a prat. I typically try to avoid the contraflows for reasons like this..!
Yeah normally i do but its 50/50 gamble that sometimes pays off.Unrelated to average speed but shows a lot of drivers are deliberately dicks, getting fuel at local petrol station and some blingged up merc ML comes in the wrong way down the one way, in a no entry then parks at 45 degrees across 2 of the 3 exit lanes nose by the air machine. Clearly deliberately driving like a div.
Im just getting in the car so look in his direction and shake my head in disbelief. The clown in the drivers seat then gets out shouting "whats your problem?" pretty f
king obvious what the problem is. Apparently shouting back "If you need to be told what the problem is with your driving and parking then you shouldn't have a license" is just provocation for a torrent of swear words and abuse. LOL. He didn't like it when i drove off giving him the wker symbol. Psycho Warren said:
Yeah normally i do but its 50/50 gamble that sometimes pays off.
Unrelated to average speed but shows a lot of drivers are deliberately dicks, getting fuel at local petrol station and some blingged up merc ML comes in the wrong way down the one way, in a no entry then parks at 45 degrees across 2 of the 3 exit lanes nose by the air machine. Clearly deliberately driving like a div.
Im just getting in the car so look in his direction and shake my head in disbelief. The clown in the drivers seat then gets out shouting "whats your problem?" pretty fking obvious what the problem is. Apparently shouting back "If you need to be told what the problem is with your driving and parking then you shouldn't have a license" is just provocation for a torrent of swear words and abuse. LOL. He didn't like it when i drove off giving him the wker symbol.
SwoonsUnrelated to average speed but shows a lot of drivers are deliberately dicks, getting fuel at local petrol station and some blingged up merc ML comes in the wrong way down the one way, in a no entry then parks at 45 degrees across 2 of the 3 exit lanes nose by the air machine. Clearly deliberately driving like a div.
Im just getting in the car so look in his direction and shake my head in disbelief. The clown in the drivers seat then gets out shouting "whats your problem?" pretty f
king obvious what the problem is. Apparently shouting back "If you need to be told what the problem is with your driving and parking then you shouldn't have a license" is just provocation for a torrent of swear words and abuse. LOL. He didn't like it when i drove off giving him the wker symbol. Bruv, you da guvnor!
Fastpedeller said:
There is a section of road near us that has average speed cameras, and between them are several rural lanes......... I rather like the idea of 2 cars with the same number plate being positioned so that after a very short period of time after the first camera is passed a call to the other one prompts its passage through the second camera. The resulting 'ticket' for an impossible 300MPH+ average for a 1200cc car would satisfy my mischievous mind!
This is the case on the 'Cat and Fiddle' (the A537 between Buxton and Macclesfield).The main road is a 50 mph limit with average speed cameras enforcing the limit, but there's so many small rural lanes that serve as shortcuts for local traffic which are NSL, and it is genuinely possible to turn off the road behind traffic doing 50 along the main route, take a few rural lanes, then end up well ahead of traffic on the main road!
In fact, the wikipedia article for the road actually says:
wikipedia said:
However, the initial operation of the cameras did not go smoothly, because along the full route of the cameras' operation there are a number of shortcuts which have the full national speed (60 mph) and decrease the overall distance of the route. These two factors, when combined, can give inaccurate readings from the speed cameras.
The latest hearsay I've had from a friend who lives local to there is that the police will only send out tickets for those who have clocked up an average higher than 10%+2 and have also been recorded by every single camera along the road, thus proving they've clearly not taken any shortcuts. I don't think it's possible to take shortcuts between cameras, so every time you take a shortcut you'll miss at least one camera, hence the 'recorded by every camera' exception.I think there's an exception for the stretch right along the top, past the inn, as there are cameras at both ends of that straight stretch with no turnings on or off the road, so if you speed along there you're nicked.
Don't take my writing as gospel however, just hearsay I'm passing on!
WJNB said:
IJWS15 said:
If you know what the guidelines are for prosecution then you can stay just under them. Your Speedo will read high.
When I had a tomtom running showing 55 mph with the car on cruise the speedo was showing 59, never got a ticket (for that).
It is the idiots doing dead on 50 in the outside lane holding everyone else up that annoy me.
I'm happy to be "an idiot in the outside lane" doing 50mph. It means I'm not sandwiched amidst the HGV's & if prats want to tail-gate me because I refuse to speed then tough I just gently ease off the throttle or click down on the cruise control. When I had a tomtom running showing 55 mph with the car on cruise the speedo was showing 59, never got a ticket (for that).
It is the idiots doing dead on 50 in the outside lane holding everyone else up that annoy me.
V8forweekends said:
Terminator X said:
At night you can see which ones are "on" as there is a UV glow from them vs others that don't eg those ones are dummies / not turned on. I still wouldn't chance it though which is why the average camera's pain me so.
TX.
I think you mean infra red, not UVTX.
V8forweekends said:
BTW it's one of the effects of the EU (no really stick with me) that trucks are limited to 90 kph (56 mph) but we still do roadworks with 50 limits.
Doesn't take a genius to work out why the trucks are sitting on the limiter at 56 whilst Mr Angry in his Micra sees them sailing past.
Hopefully they'll finish thinking about it and actually raise the roadworks limit to 60mph to solve that issue.Doesn't take a genius to work out why the trucks are sitting on the limiter at 56 whilst Mr Angry in his Micra sees them sailing past.
Psycho Warren said:
Yeah normally i do but its 50/50 gamble that sometimes pays off.
Unrelated to average speed but shows a lot of drivers are deliberately dicks, getting fuel at local petrol station and some blingged up merc ML comes in the wrong way down the one way, in a no entry then parks at 45 degrees across 2 of the 3 exit lanes nose by the air machine. Clearly deliberately driving like a div.
Im just getting in the car so look in his direction and shake my head in disbelief. The clown in the drivers seat then gets out shouting "whats your problem?" pretty fking obvious what the problem is. Apparently shouting back "If you need to be told what the problem is with your driving and parking then you shouldn't have a license" is just provocation for a torrent of swear words and abuse. LOL. He didn't like it when i drove off giving him the wker symbol.
You need to change your name. A true psycho would have just walked up silently and dealt with the matter in a way that means the other driver couldn’t ever do it again. Unrelated to average speed but shows a lot of drivers are deliberately dicks, getting fuel at local petrol station and some blingged up merc ML comes in the wrong way down the one way, in a no entry then parks at 45 degrees across 2 of the 3 exit lanes nose by the air machine. Clearly deliberately driving like a div.
Im just getting in the car so look in his direction and shake my head in disbelief. The clown in the drivers seat then gets out shouting "whats your problem?" pretty f
king obvious what the problem is. Apparently shouting back "If you need to be told what the problem is with your driving and parking then you shouldn't have a license" is just provocation for a torrent of swear words and abuse. LOL. He didn't like it when i drove off giving him the wker symbol. unident said:
You need to change your name. A true psycho would have just walked up silently and dealt with the matter in a way that means the other driver couldn’t ever do it again.
maybe "ex-Psycho Warren" would be better?Although you can be Psycho and also not stupid. Although some people might consider it stupid to confront someone like that in the first place for fear of being "shanked". Theyd have to have a pretty big knife to get through my 10 inches of fat to hit anything vital.
Psycho Warren said:
maybe "ex-Psycho Warren" would be better?
Although you can be Psycho and also not stupid. Although some people might consider it stupid to confront someone like that in the first place for fear of being "shanked". Theyd have to have a pretty big knife to get through my 10 inches of fat to hit anything vital.
You just deal with it Although you can be Psycho and also not stupid. Although some people might consider it stupid to confront someone like that in the first place for fear of being "shanked". Theyd have to have a pretty big knife to get through my 10 inches of fat to hit anything vital.
I used to enjoy bucking the system that was on the M3 for years with this ( and still is in place although I don't drive it ).
An HGV or similarly larger vehicle is a great shroud / barrier to the cameras. If your exposed for any, start your average from there. There were usually enough vehicles to get past several sets with no issue however.
An HGV or similarly larger vehicle is a great shroud / barrier to the cameras. If your exposed for any, start your average from there. There were usually enough vehicles to get past several sets with no issue however.
A1Diego said:
Hey guys,
Been curious about this for ages especially now I do many miles on the m4 where we have an average speed zone of 50mph for miles upon miles.
What is it with those that just ignore the average speed and happily go 70mph or those that speed up between cameras and brake back down to 50 at the next set of yellow cameras.
What do they know that most people that follow the rules don’t???
I know that I’ve been doing it for years and have never had a ticket.Been curious about this for ages especially now I do many miles on the m4 where we have an average speed zone of 50mph for miles upon miles.
What is it with those that just ignore the average speed and happily go 70mph or those that speed up between cameras and brake back down to 50 at the next set of yellow cameras.
What do they know that most people that follow the rules don’t???
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