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hidetheelephants said:
Bozwell said:
BREAKING: Burisma Investigation to be Released within 24 Hours — FINDS BIDEN FAMILY GUILTY LIKELY CRIMINAL ACTIONS (VIDEO)
what's this qanon thing about?
It's either the absolute truth, or it's batswhat's this qanon thing about?
t wingnut insane conspiraloonery; you be the judge. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/09/23...
Oh and the Republican leading the investigation signed a letter in 2016 expressing concern about the Ukrainian prosecutors.. concerns shared by the EU and the IMF - https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464302-gop-sen...
why would you link to an anti Trump WaPo OPINION piece?
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_F... (Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Corruption: The Impact on U.S.Government Policy and Related Concerns)
did you read the report and have the same opinion?.
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XII. CONCLUSION.
As the Chairmen’s report details, Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board negatively
impacted the efforts of dedicated career-service individuals who were fighting to push for
anticorruption measures in Ukraine. Because the vice president’s son had a direct link to a
corrupt company and its owner, State Department officials were required to maintain situational
awareness of Hunter Biden’s association with Burisma. Unfortunately, U.S. officials had no
other choice but to endure the “awkward[ness]” of continuing to push an anticorruption agenda
in Ukraine while the vice president’s son sat on the board of a Ukrainian company with a corrupt
owner. As George Kent testified, he “would have advised any American not to get on the board
of Zlochevsky’s company.”
Yet, even though Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board
cast a shadow over the work of those advancing anticorruption reforms in Ukraine, the
Committees are only aware of two individuals who raised concerns to their superiors. Despite
the efforts of these individuals, their concerns appear to have fallen on deaf ears.
Former Secretary Kerry’s December 2019 denial of having any knowledge about Hunter
Biden or Burisma is inconsistent with the evidence uncovered by the Committees. Kerry was
briefed about Hunter Biden, Burisma and Christopher Heinz the day after Burisma announced
Hunter Biden joined its board. Additionally, Secretary Kerry’s senior advisor sent him press
clips and articles relating to Hunter Biden’s board membership. This appears to be yet another
example of high-ranking Obama administration officials blatantly ignoring Hunter Biden’s
association with Burisma.
Several witnesses highlighted efforts to enable a successful investigation of Zlochevsky,
and also noted that the U.S. decision to condition a $1 billion loan guarantee was made in part
because of the then-Ukrainian prosecutor general’s failure to pursue a case against Zlochevsky.
But at the end of the day, between 2014 through 2017, despite the concerted effort of many U.S.
officials, not one of the three different Ukrainian prosecutor generals held Zlochevsky
accountable.
The Obama administration and the Democrat lobby shop Blue Star Strategies had
consistent and extensive contact with Andrii Telizhenko over a period of years. Yet despite
these well-documented contacts with Democratic officials, Democrats have attempted to impugn
this investigation for having received some Blue Star-related records from Telizhenko. Some
Democrats have even (incorrectly) identified Telizhenko as the Committees’ “star witness.”
Although he produced a small number of Blue Star-related records to the Committees, the
Committees never interviewed him as part of this investigation.
Even though almost all of the Committees’ records are from U.S. agencies and U.S.
officials or persons, Democrats have repeatedly misconstrued the facts of this investigation and
have smeared it as a Russian disinformation campaign. In doing so, they conveniently have
ignored their own long history of meeting with Telizhenko and his yearlong work for a Democrat
lobby shop. If Democrats are concerned that Telizhenko presents any risk of advancing
disinformation, it is notable that the Ranking Members have not expressed any curiosity about
his work with the Obama administration or Blue Star Strategies.
The records acquired by the Committees also show that Hunter Biden and his family
were involved in a vast financial network that connected them to foreign nationals and foreign
governments across the globe. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer, in particular, formed significant
and consistent financial relationships with the corrupt oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky during their
time working for Burisma, and their firms made millions of dollars from that association while
Joe Biden was vice president and the public face of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy.
Rosemont Seneca Thornton, an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden, received $3.5
million in a wire transfer from Elena Baturina, who allegedly received illegal construction
contracts from her husband, the then-mayor of Moscow. Moreover, Archer’s apparent receipt of
money for a car from Kenges Rakishev of Kazakhstan while Vice President Biden was in Kyiv is
especially concerning in light of the timing. And finally, Biden and Archer’s work with Chinese
nationals connected to the Communist regime illustrate the deep financial connections that
accelerated while Joe Biden was vice president and continued after he left office.
The Chairmen’s investigation has faced many obstacles from the minority and from
executive agencies that have failed to comply with document requests. Accordingly, there
remains much work to be done.
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_F... (Hunter Biden, Burisma, and Corruption: The Impact on U.S.Government Policy and Related Concerns)
did you read the report and have the same opinion?.
Quote
XII. CONCLUSION.
As the Chairmen’s report details, Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board negatively
impacted the efforts of dedicated career-service individuals who were fighting to push for
anticorruption measures in Ukraine. Because the vice president’s son had a direct link to a
corrupt company and its owner, State Department officials were required to maintain situational
awareness of Hunter Biden’s association with Burisma. Unfortunately, U.S. officials had no
other choice but to endure the “awkward[ness]” of continuing to push an anticorruption agenda
in Ukraine while the vice president’s son sat on the board of a Ukrainian company with a corrupt
owner. As George Kent testified, he “would have advised any American not to get on the board
of Zlochevsky’s company.”
Yet, even though Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board
cast a shadow over the work of those advancing anticorruption reforms in Ukraine, the
Committees are only aware of two individuals who raised concerns to their superiors. Despite
the efforts of these individuals, their concerns appear to have fallen on deaf ears.
Former Secretary Kerry’s December 2019 denial of having any knowledge about Hunter
Biden or Burisma is inconsistent with the evidence uncovered by the Committees. Kerry was
briefed about Hunter Biden, Burisma and Christopher Heinz the day after Burisma announced
Hunter Biden joined its board. Additionally, Secretary Kerry’s senior advisor sent him press
clips and articles relating to Hunter Biden’s board membership. This appears to be yet another
example of high-ranking Obama administration officials blatantly ignoring Hunter Biden’s
association with Burisma.
Several witnesses highlighted efforts to enable a successful investigation of Zlochevsky,
and also noted that the U.S. decision to condition a $1 billion loan guarantee was made in part
because of the then-Ukrainian prosecutor general’s failure to pursue a case against Zlochevsky.
But at the end of the day, between 2014 through 2017, despite the concerted effort of many U.S.
officials, not one of the three different Ukrainian prosecutor generals held Zlochevsky
accountable.
The Obama administration and the Democrat lobby shop Blue Star Strategies had
consistent and extensive contact with Andrii Telizhenko over a period of years. Yet despite
these well-documented contacts with Democratic officials, Democrats have attempted to impugn
this investigation for having received some Blue Star-related records from Telizhenko. Some
Democrats have even (incorrectly) identified Telizhenko as the Committees’ “star witness.”
Although he produced a small number of Blue Star-related records to the Committees, the
Committees never interviewed him as part of this investigation.
Even though almost all of the Committees’ records are from U.S. agencies and U.S.
officials or persons, Democrats have repeatedly misconstrued the facts of this investigation and
have smeared it as a Russian disinformation campaign. In doing so, they conveniently have
ignored their own long history of meeting with Telizhenko and his yearlong work for a Democrat
lobby shop. If Democrats are concerned that Telizhenko presents any risk of advancing
disinformation, it is notable that the Ranking Members have not expressed any curiosity about
his work with the Obama administration or Blue Star Strategies.
The records acquired by the Committees also show that Hunter Biden and his family
were involved in a vast financial network that connected them to foreign nationals and foreign
governments across the globe. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer, in particular, formed significant
and consistent financial relationships with the corrupt oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky during their
time working for Burisma, and their firms made millions of dollars from that association while
Joe Biden was vice president and the public face of the Obama administration’s Ukraine policy.
Rosemont Seneca Thornton, an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden, received $3.5
million in a wire transfer from Elena Baturina, who allegedly received illegal construction
contracts from her husband, the then-mayor of Moscow. Moreover, Archer’s apparent receipt of
money for a car from Kenges Rakishev of Kazakhstan while Vice President Biden was in Kyiv is
especially concerning in light of the timing. And finally, Biden and Archer’s work with Chinese
nationals connected to the Communist regime illustrate the deep financial connections that
accelerated while Joe Biden was vice president and continued after he left office.
The Chairmen’s investigation has faced many obstacles from the minority and from
executive agencies that have failed to comply with document requests. Accordingly, there
remains much work to be done.
Edited by Bozwell on Thursday 24th September 20:03
https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/13091482...
https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/13091482...
Jim Jordan taking the report seriously.
This isn't about the Election because they would have needed a crystal ball to predict Joe will be in the running.
out of the 30ish Democrats running for the 2020 presidential election why did they end up with Joe?
https://twitter.com/MikeEmanuelFox/status/13091482...
Jim Jordan taking the report seriously.
This isn't about the Election because they would have needed a crystal ball to predict Joe will be in the running.
out of the 30ish Democrats running for the 2020 presidential election why did they end up with Joe?
Yet all it also is clear that the committee failed to identify any impact on US policy other than it could give the impression of a conflict of interest and that " the presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board was very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine.”"
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/...
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020...
And the Democrats on the committee issued their own report, which draws very different conclusions to the Republican one - hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/200923_FullReport_PetersHSGACWydenFinance.pdf
Finally, an interesting report on the Russian links to one of the major witnesses in the investigation - https://time.com/5892440/senate-gop-biden-report-r...
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/media/majority-media/...
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020...
And the Democrats on the committee issued their own report, which draws very different conclusions to the Republican one - hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/200923_FullReport_PetersHSGACWydenFinance.pdf
Finally, an interesting report on the Russian links to one of the major witnesses in the investigation - https://time.com/5892440/senate-gop-biden-report-r...
https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/200923_...
read a few lines and just laughed.
Biden is doing a great job of losing the election on his own. Trump doesn't need any help from the Russians.
the only way for Biden to become President is for the Democrats to cheat, lie and steal.
read a few lines and just laughed.
Biden is doing a great job of losing the election on his own. Trump doesn't need any help from the Russians.
the only way for Biden to become President is for the Democrats to cheat, lie and steal.
Bozwell said:
what's this qanon thing about?
Bozwell said:
So you're asking what QAnon is about but you've been following it since 2017? 
I can understand you being embarassed about using bat-s
t websites as supporting evidence but maybe give the faux-naivete a break?Countdown said:
What do you think about Trump's 20,000 proven lies?
source, proof ?have you fact checked the fact checkers?
so in your world what is qanon? is it the same as the media narrative or have you properly looked into it and come to your own conclusion it's bats
t crazy.test to see if you know anything about qanon. "we don't say his name."
https://qanon.pub/?q=durham
what you see now as news is actually olds for anyone following Q
This is were the Democrats chickens have come home to roost!
They changed the voting system in 2013 to push through the people they wanted,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#:~:te...
The 'Nuclear Option' so isn't trump just following the path that they have blazed?
They changed the voting system in 2013 to push through the people they wanted,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#:~:te...
The 'Nuclear Option' so isn't trump just following the path that they have blazed?
surveyor_101 said:
This is were the Democrats chickens have come home to roost!
They changed the voting system in 2013 to push through the people they wanted,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#:~:te...
The 'Nuclear Option' so isn't trump just following the path that they have blazed?
Oh dear. The Democrats didn't change the voting system, they used an existing rule to override the requirement for 60 votes. They changed the voting system in 2013 to push through the people they wanted,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#:~:te...
The 'Nuclear Option' so isn't trump just following the path that they have blazed?
The Republicans can try to use the same rule to push their nomination through, if they wish, just as they did in 2017.
rscott said:
Oh dear. The Democrats didn't change the voting system, they used an existing rule to override the requirement for 60 votes.
The Republicans can try to use the same rule to push their nomination through, if they wish, just as they did in 2017.
They set a precedent when it suited their needs,,,,,,,,,,they can't moan now.The Republicans can try to use the same rule to push their nomination through, if they wish, just as they did in 2017.
Yet some are threatening to Riot and even burn down the court. So in my Mind he has to push on with threats like that.
surveyor_101 said:
This is were the Democrats chickens have come home to roost!
They changed the voting system in 2013 to push through the people they wanted,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#:~:te...
The 'Nuclear Option' so isn't trump just following the path that they have blazed?
They've already used the "Nuclear" option twice so far, with the appointments of Gorsuch and Kavanuagh. I think what's different this time is they're doing the exact opposite of what they were preaching in 2016 when they blocked Obama's attempts to appoint Merrick Garland.They changed the voting system in 2013 to push through the people they wanted,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#:~:te...
The 'Nuclear Option' so isn't trump just following the path that they have blazed?
The chicken will be coming home to roost when they increase the number of SC justices to 11.
Countdown said:
They've already used the "Nuclear" option twice so far, with the appointments of Gorsuch and Kavanuagh. I think what's different this time is they're doing the exact opposite of what they were preaching in 2016 when they blocked Obama's attempts to appoint Merrick Garland.
The chicken will be coming home to roost when they increase the number of SC justices to 11.
I think the republicans will say that they have control or more than just white the house, when Obama was seemly on his way out and democrats were not doing well in the house.The chicken will be coming home to roost when they increase the number of SC justices to 11.
For anyone interested in learning more about the force for good that was Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the BBC did a good obit piece about her on Radio 4 on 25th September. The weekly obit show also covered the late, great Harold Evans, so you get two giants of decency and progress for the price of one.
Countdown said:
What do you think about Trump's 20,000 proven lies?
Its the left wing media spinning anything he says to their own narrative.Example trump didn't cause wide spread panic in March when talking about the virus and gives predicted death rates: CNN 'Trump lied about the virus'!
No he was calm and considered and can't be fear mongering! That's not the same as lying.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Sunday 27th September 09:17
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