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For those hard of reading, here is the simple version:
Lockdown is a deadly scythe: Cruel irony of severe coronavirus restriction is it costs more lives than it saves, writes Dr RENEE HOENDERKAMP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8857253...
Lockdown is a deadly scythe: Cruel irony of severe coronavirus restriction is it costs more lives than it saves, writes Dr RENEE HOENDERKAMP
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8857253...
Evanivitch said:
NGee said:
FTFY
Except we know they do work, because when we look at the local outbreaks and actually do the track and trace properly, we find out that either the infection source had symptoms and failed to isolate, or the group admit they weren't following the guidelines.markyb_lcy said:
Evanivitch said:
NGee said:
FTFY
Except we know they do work, because when we look at the local outbreaks and actually do the track and trace properly, we find out that either the infection source had symptoms and failed to isolate, or the group admit they weren't following the guidelines.https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18776101.co...
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-ne...
And several personal conversations with people in local government and health that haven't made it into the press.
Evanivitch said:
markyb_lcy said:
Evanivitch said:
NGee said:
FTFY
Except we know they do work, because when we look at the local outbreaks and actually do the track and trace properly, we find out that either the infection source had symptoms and failed to isolate, or the group admit they weren't following the guidelines.https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/18776101.co...
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-ne...
And several personal conversations with people in local government and health that haven't made it into the press.
The second link worked but said nothing about people not isolating who should have, or guidelines not be followed.
The third link loaded half an article. There is an ad that wants me to “answer a question” to reveal the latter half of the article. f
k. That.Where is the evidence that a lack of isolating or a failure to follow guidelines is at the root of this particular outbreak?
By the way, even if you provide this, it’s not actually evidence that “guidelines work” as you’ve suggested.
Evanivitch said:
witko999 said:
Evanivitch said:
What we saw back in March last year was a result of large public events still being allowed, hence why we saw the massive numbers of infections. But what we're seeing now is a growth despite the controls that are currently in place, which shows the controls are not being correctly followed.
I see people writing this a lot, but it's based on the extremely flawed logic that the restrictive measures put in place will definitely succeed, if only we follow them correctly.Yet we can see around us that regardless of the measures put in place, the totally irrelevant metric of 'cases' continues to rise.
A lot of the outbreaks locally have been attributed to specific events or locations that have failed to follow the rules, and this is openly reported.
Seems that you've come to the conclusion that the measures aren't working because people aren't adhering, rather than the possibility that the measures will never stop the virus.
So despite there being no absolutes, you seem to be absolutely certain that non adherence is the problem, rather than the fundamental futility of both the measures themselves and what they aim to achieve.
markyb_lcy said:
The first link wasn’t a hyperlink and I couldn’t be arsed to copy paste on my phone.
The third link loaded half an article. There is an ad that wants me to “answer a question” to reveal the latter half of the article. fk. That.
It's unfortunate that you can't use technology.The third link loaded half an article. There is an ad that wants me to “answer a question” to reveal the latter half of the article. f
k. That.markyb_lcy said:
Where is the evidence that a lack of isolating or a failure to follow guidelines is at the root of this particular outbreak?
Unfortunately, pointing the finger at individuals in the press isn't deemed in the public interest. Even if they thought a cheeky pint, game of darts and a round of killer-pool was a good idea.markyb_lcy said:
By the way, even if you provide this, it’s not actually evidence that “guidelines work” as you’ve suggested.
We already have science for that, published, peer reviewed.witko999 said:
"But what we're seeing now is a growth despite the controls that are currently in place, which shows the controls are not being correctly followed."
Seems that you've come to the conclusion that the measures aren't working because people aren't adhering, rather than the possibility that the measures will never stop the virus.
So despite there being no absolutes, you seem to be absolutely certain that non adherence is the problem, rather than the fundamental futility of both the measures themselves and what they aim to achieve.
The measures aren't meant to stop the virus. They reduce the risk. They reduce the spread. They don't stop it.Seems that you've come to the conclusion that the measures aren't working because people aren't adhering, rather than the possibility that the measures will never stop the virus.
So despite there being no absolutes, you seem to be absolutely certain that non adherence is the problem, rather than the fundamental futility of both the measures themselves and what they aim to achieve.
Phil. said:
You are so full of st about Sweden when you know cock all about the situation, never provide any evidence, slur those with a better argument and just repeat the same link with no explanation. Class 1 idiot!
Anders Tegnell, Sweden's State Epidemiologist, says his country will continue avoiding lockdown & he's in favour of relaxing more, telling elderly people "you don't need to completely isolate anymore...just avoid big gatherings, keep a distance"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-5456120...
Oh, you mean he’s relaxing guidance for the elderly to be as lax as ours. Hilarious. t about Sweden when you know cock all about the situation, never provide any evidence, slur those with a better argument and just repeat the same link with no explanation. Class 1 idiot! Anders Tegnell, Sweden's State Epidemiologist, says his country will continue avoiding lockdown & he's in favour of relaxing more, telling elderly people "you don't need to completely isolate anymore...just avoid big gatherings, keep a distance"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-5456120...
By the way;
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/audio/2...
“For the Swedish historian Lars Trägårdh, the answer to the country’s relative success can be found by looking at the high levels of trust between citizen and state. It is the reason, he says, that exporting Sweden’s bespoke policies across the world will not necessarily work everywhere else.”
Which is pretty much what I said that caused you to throw your toys out of the pram.
Evanivitch said:
NGee said:
FTFY
Except we know they do work, because when we look at the local outbreaks and actually do the track and trace properly, we find out that either the infection source had symptoms and failed to isolate, or the group admit they weren't following the guidelines.king stupid. Do you seriously expect us to believe that with the thousands and thousands of 'cases' every day, that they have all been traced back to the source of the infection - get real.Evanivitch said:
markyb_lcy said:
The first link wasn’t a hyperlink and I couldn’t be arsed to copy paste on my phone.
The third link loaded half an article. There is an ad that wants me to “answer a question” to reveal the latter half of the article. fk. That.
It's unfortunate that you can't use technology.The third link loaded half an article. There is an ad that wants me to “answer a question” to reveal the latter half of the article. f
k. That.Evanivitch said:
markyb_lcy said:
Where is the evidence that a lack of isolating or a failure to follow guidelines is at the root of this particular outbreak?
Unfortunately, pointing the finger at individuals in the press isn't deemed in the public interest. Even if they thought a cheeky pint, game of darts and a round of killer-pool was a good idea.markyb_lcy said:
By the way, even if you provide this, it’s not actually evidence that “guidelines work” as you’ve suggested.
We already have science for that, published, peer reviewed.Just as I thought.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Tuesday 20th October 23:52
NGee said:
Now you are just being fking stupid. Do you seriously expect us to believe that with the thousands and thousands of 'cases' every day, that they have all been traced back to the source of the infection - get real.
1,148 cases in Wales yesterday, and 90%+ successful contact tracing. So, yes. And it's what Boris promised in England too, but doing a right pigs ear of it.king stupid. Do you seriously expect us to believe that with the thousands and thousands of 'cases' every day, that they have all been traced back to the source of the infection - get real.otolith said:
‘’They did ask people to do the same things we asked (or forced) people to do - socially distance, avoid gatherings, wash hands, avoid crowds and public transport, work from home if possible, etc - and people generally complied. Bluntly, I think you and others like you are the reason that wouldn't have worked here. You would have just ignored it.’’
Which is pretty much what I said that caused you to throw your toys out of the pram.
No, what caused me to call you out was your unnecessary slur on my character (see above) suggesting that people like me would/do ignore government advice, for which you have failed to evidence or apologise. You are a very weak person with no integrity who talks bWhich is pretty much what I said that caused you to throw your toys out of the pram.
ks about Sweden. Did you know for example that the death rate in Sweden in 2019 before COVID was far lower than in previous years meaning that there was significant ‘dry tinder’ or a lot of people that would have normally died in 2019 who then died of COVID producing excess death as in 2020? This wasn’t the case in Finland and Norway which, combined with Sweden allowing COVID in to its care homes, is mainly why Sweden had higher death rates than its neighbors. Lockdowns don’t stop the consequences of a virus only delay them slightly.
You know bugger all about the situation in Sweden but continue to spout s
t whilst taking no responsibility for your actions. You have zero integrity and zero credibility. Now respond to this message with you usual bks which is what I expect you do do, or perhaps accept you have incorrectly slurred me and admit it. markyb_lcy said:
Oh I can use technology. It’s spammy adverts I don’t want to “use”. As for the non-link, as I made clear, I “couldn’t be arsed”. Besides, you gave 3 links to the same story. One would have been enough.
Then you clearly didn't read the 3 different incidents the 3 different stories referred to. Willingly ignorant describes you very well.markyb_lcy said:
Ok, so no evidence that the non-following of guidance or restrictions is at fault for this outbreak, it’s all in your head.
Just as I thought.
Unfortunately not everything makes the news, must be a massive conspiracy eh? Where's my tin foil...Just as I thought.
markyb_lcy said:
Evanivitch said:
Willingly ignorant describes you very well.
Coming from the user who wants us to believe something is true, for which there is no evidence, because they say it’s true.Hilarious.
Evanivitch said:
markyb_lcy said:
Evanivitch said:
Willingly ignorant describes you very well.
Coming from the user who wants us to believe something is true, for which there is no evidence, because they say it’s true.Hilarious.
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