Grassing up a Covid **** taker.

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

Let’s put one day in perspective along with a prediction until the end of the year. Fill your boots but you probably won’t understand it

Also, lets dig into that graph. Seems that last block is above average, and that data is now 11 days old. Ouch.

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

Lol.

The laugh on you because I don’t see the second wave of deaths that you predicted in that graph , but interpreting data/graphs isn’t one of your strengths is it

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

The laugh on you because I don’t see the second wave of deaths that you predicted in that graph , but interpreting data/graphs isn’t one of your strengths is it

Yeah, you looking to find any graph that flattens out what you actually predicted. I read the graphs just fine - and I'm certainly happy I didnt make the claims you did. I could post some updated ones if you want. I mean, 367 is a sizable leap.

You still have ignored my question on Sweden, which you champion and ignore any other country (loads of them) who have so far performed better. Its entertaining. But where are the facts you talk about?

[Killboy]

I mean, imagine looking at this and saying the second wave is not possible. Why, because its ever so slightly slower?





I do certainly hope the numbers start to decrease by Christmas, because the current trajectory is certainly not looking good right now

[Sticks.]

Killboy said:

I mean, imagine looking at this and saying the second wave is not possible. Why, because its ever so slightly slower?





I do certainly hope the numbers start to decrease by Christmas, because the current trajectory is certainly not looking good right now

It's interesting. It's tempting to look at that curve and think 'second wave' or comparable to Spring. But when you see the ONS graphs for the same data the curve doesn't look nearly so steep, just because the x axis is a little longer. Figs 6 and 7

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

But which one is 'the truth' ? Which ever one supports your argument, obviously

[witko999]

Killboy said:

I mean, imagine looking at this and saying the second wave is not possible. Why, because its ever so slightly slower?





I do certainly hope the numbers start to decrease by Christmas, because the current trajectory is certainly not looking good right now

Despite you banging on about the 2nd wave, viruses don't actually have 2nd waves. They just pass through the succeptible people until they run out of succeptible people. Places like London have basically got very few hosts left, hence continued low levels. The north was never really affected earlier in the year, hence why it's catching up now. This is what herd immunity is, and it's the only outcome whether the virus does it naturally, or whether a vaccine is introduced. By the time a vaccine comes it will be as good as useless, because there'll be very few succeptible people to need it.

'Cases' and 'hospitalisations' are irrelevant. The data collection around them is so poor that it's meaningless.

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

Phil. said:

The laugh on you because I don’t see the second wave of deaths that you predicted in that graph , but interpreting data/graphs isn’t one of your strengths is it

Yeah, you looking to find any graph that flattens out what you actually predicted. I read the graphs just fine - and I'm certainly happy I didnt make the claims you did. I could post some updated ones if you want. I mean, 367 is a sizable leap.

You still have ignored my question on Sweden, which you champion and ignore any other country (loads of them) who have so far performed better. Its entertaining. But where are the facts you talk about?

I’ve given loads of details, opinions and facts on this thread about Sweden. I just can’t be arsed to repeat them. Take a look if you want. Hope this is answers your question.

[Killboy]

Sticks. said:

It's interesting. It's tempting to look at that curve and think 'second wave' or comparable to Spring. But when you see the ONS graphs for the same data the curve doesn't look nearly so steep, just because the x axis is a little longer. Figs 6 and 7

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

But which one is 'the truth' ? Which ever one supports your argument, obviously

Yes, its great to hide silly numbers in the "big picture". That data is sadly slow to update, and during the week ending 16 October the highest death count due to COVID was 137 (double check, apparently I'm not good at reading graphs). Today we've had 367 deaths. I'm sure to be told this is normal.

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

I’ve given loads of details, opinions and facts on this thread about Sweden. I just can’t be arsed to repeat them. Take a look if you want. Hope this is answers your question.

No, but you never really do, so no surprise really.

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

I mean, imagine looking at this and saying the second wave is not possible. Why, because its ever so slightly slower?





I do certainly hope the numbers start to decrease by Christmas, because the current trajectory is certainly not looking good right now

I posted this explanation of why we are not in a second wave using the curve you posted yesterday and again today, which you either didn’t understand, have ignored or have forgotten. Now do you understand why it’s becoming tiresome being asked the same old stupid questions over and over again?

Phil. said:

Thank you Killboy you've just proved my point that we are not in a pandemic anymore and what we are seeing now is the much lower and expected seasonal affect of a flu virus. Certainly nothing worthy of lockdowns and other restrictions.

I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.

[Jasandjules]

I have recently been informed by an MD that they have been told (the chinese whispers gossip vine is shaking furiously) that anyone admitted to a hospice is immediately tested.. This then leads to a death within 28 days and............ In short, cooking the books. Can anyone admit or deny this ??

[Phil.]

witko999 said:

Despite you banging on about the 2nd wave, viruses don't actually have 2nd waves. They just pass through the succeptible people until they run out of succeptible people. Places like London have basically got very few hosts left, hence continued low levels. The north was never really affected earlier in the year, hence why it's catching up now. This is what herd immunity is, and it's the only outcome whether the virus does it naturally, or whether a vaccine is introduced. By the time a vaccine comes it will be as good as useless, because there'll be very few succeptible people to need it.

'Cases' and 'hospitalisations' are irrelevant. The data collection around them is so poor that it's meaningless.

100% correct and there is a lot of evidence in support of the above. No conspiracy theories or tin foil. Scientific facts. But I doubt the COVID Warriors and Worriers will remember this by tomorrow though

Next question

[Sticks.]

Killboy said:

Sticks. said:

It's interesting. It's tempting to look at that curve and think 'second wave' or comparable to Spring. But when you see the ONS graphs for the same data the curve doesn't look nearly so steep, just because the x axis is a little longer. Figs 6 and 7

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...

But which one is 'the truth' ? Which ever one supports your argument, obviously

Yes, its great to hide silly numbers in the "big picture". That data is sadly slow to update, and during the week ending 16 October the highest death count due to COVID was 137 (double check, apparently I'm not good at reading graphs). Today we've had 367 deaths. I'm sure to be told this is normal.

I think the ONS data and graphs comparing current deaths to the 5 year average will be out in 10 days or so, so we shall see to what degree it's normal.

The point still stands re graphs and curves. You can make them look like what you want.

[Phil.]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Hilarious, must give it a go

Here is some advice for the hard of understanding

[Killboy]

Sticks. said:

I think the ONS data and graphs comparing current deaths to the 5 year average will be out in 10 days or so, so we shall see to what degree it's normal.

The point still stands re graphs and curves. You can make them look like what you want.

To what degree is 367 people dying from something that didn't exist last year normal? We've blown the flu budget some time around May. Lol

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

Killboy said:

I mean, imagine looking at this and saying the second wave is not possible. Why, because its ever so slightly slower?





I do certainly hope the numbers start to decrease by Christmas, because the current trajectory is certainly not looking good right now

I posted this explanation of why we are not in a second wave using the curve you posted yesterday and again today, which you either didn’t understand, have ignored or have forgotten. Now do you understand why it’s becoming tiresome being asked the same old stupid questions over and over again?

Phil. said:

Thank you Killboy you've just proved my point that we are not in a pandemic anymore and what we are seeing now is the much lower and expected seasonal affect of a flu virus. Certainly nothing worthy of lockdowns and other restrictions.

I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.

So that angle is the determining factor? Lol, not sure what's funnier, that or the fact that the few day old graph had since had more than double the deaths.

[Killboy]

Phil. said:

Hilarious, must give it a go

Here is some advice for the hard of understanding

I'll send that to my step bothers kids. I'm sure they'll laugh and laugh and laugh.

[NGee]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Spot on.

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

Phil. said:

Killboy said:

I mean, imagine looking at this and saying the second wave is not possible. Why, because its ever so slightly slower?





I do certainly hope the numbers start to decrease by Christmas, because the current trajectory is certainly not looking good right now

I posted this explanation of why we are not in a second wave using the curve you posted yesterday and again today, which you either didn’t understand, have ignored or have forgotten. Now do you understand why it’s becoming tiresome being asked the same old stupid questions over and over again?

Phil. said:

Thank you Killboy you've just proved my point that we are not in a pandemic anymore and what we are seeing now is the much lower and expected seasonal affect of a flu virus. Certainly nothing worthy of lockdowns and other restrictions.

I've added a couple of lines to your graph to highlight what a pandemic looks like in terms of rate of increasing deaths, and to show when its not a pandemic because the increase in deaths is much lower, seasonal in fact. The pandemic has gone, we're in a political casedemic now.

So that angle is the determining factor? Lol, not sure what's funnier, that or the fact that the few day old graph had since had more than double the deaths.

The funny thing is you don’t understand it and don’t want to. All you seem do now is make embarrassing comments whilst failing to take the piss.

[Phil.]

Killboy said:

Sticks. said:

I think the ONS data and graphs comparing current deaths to the 5 year average will be out in 10 days or so, so we shall see to what degree it's normal.

The point still stands re graphs and curves. You can make them look like what you want.

To what degree is 367 people dying from something that didn't exist last year normal? We've blown the flu budget some time around May. Lol

You do know that Tuesday is catch up day for each week in terms of death reporting? Yes it’s an increase week on week but let’s see what happens over the next few weeks rather than becoming too excited about each Tuesday’s figure.