Grassing up a Covid **** taker.

[RalphyM]

Pit Pony said:

I have nothing but admiration for people like you. Brave, fearless, and hard faced. Don't worry, you will be fine. Your granny might die. But that's an advantage, because you'll have made sure you are mentioned in her will.

I hope you don't get it. I hope if you do get it that you don't end up with Post Viral Chronic Fatigue, unable to get out of bed for years without help.

Where were you when they gave out empathy ??

Ignoring the insults but ONS publish the exact stats. Here is the table which shows that from 1st March to 31st June (latest point that this data was published) the total number of people under 70 that died of Covid (including suspected) with no pre existing conditions was 1,065.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulatio...

Edited to add 7a is the relevant table (link doesn’t go direct)

Edited by RalphyM on Monday 21st September 21:01

Edited by RalphyM on Monday 21st September 21:02

[mybrainhurts]

Pit Pony said:

mybrainhurts said:

Go ahead, if you believe this load of bks.

307 people under 60 have died up to 10 September in England, with around 1000 over 60. More people die from 'flu, this is a non event.

Source...NHS website.

I have nothing but admiration for people like you. Brave, fearless, and hard faced. Don't worry, you will be fine. Your granny might die. But that's an advantage, because you'll have made sure you are mentioned in her will.

I hope you don't get it. I hope if you do get it that you don't end up with Post Viral Chronic Fatigue, unable to get out of bed for years without help.

Where were you when they gave out empathy ??

If I get it, I'll probably croak. Other health problems and 73 years behind me. Your good wishes are appreciated.

[mybrainhurts]

Einion Yrth said:

If mybrainhurts has any living grandparents then they would be quite remarkable. 'nurts is old enough to be his granny.

Dammit, you noticed the skirt...

[RalphyM]

RalphyM said:

Ignoring the insults but ONS publish the exact stats. Here is the table which shows that from 1st March to 31st June (latest point that this data was published) the total number of people under 70 that died of Covid (including suspected) with no pre existing conditions was 1,065.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulatio...

Edited to add 7a is the relevant table (link doesn’t go direct)

Edited by RalphyM on Monday 21st September 21:01

Edited by RalphyM on Monday 21st September 21:02

Quoting my own post but really interesting to see that in the same age group nearly twice that number had “influenza and pneumonia” listed as a pre existing condition. Would be really interested to know how clinically they were able to establish that it was CV19 and not the flu/pneumonia that was the real cause of death. Anyone know?

[eldar]

ThumperMc said:

Snitches get stitches

Staples or superglue these days. Doesn't have the same ring, though.

[mybrainhurts]

ChevronB19 said:

Douglas Quaid said:

ChevronB19 said:

It’s scary what people like you think under your little tin foil hats.

I assume you think the massive economic disruption (on top of lives lost) etc. is either a) an overreaction on the part of the best virologists in the world, b) 5G or c) something weird to do with Bill Gates.

Which is it?

It’s a. A huge over reaction.

And why do you think that, given the opinion of the scientific community? (Genuine question)

The scientific community is overrated. Witness Fauchi doing u turns every time you sneeze and all the original warnings of woe that never came to fruition.

Please don't say you think the World Health Organisation has any credibility.

I put my money on all the doctors who have spoken out and been stifled because their experience doesn't fit the orthodoxy.

[MitchT]

Until that scarecrow in charge grows a spine and takes Cummings to task I'll be turning a blind eye to anyone I see interpreting the rules in a liberal fashion.

[anonymous-user]

ChevronB19 said:

Douglas Quaid said:

ChevronB19 said:

It’s scary what people like you think under your little tin foil hats.

I assume you think the massive economic disruption (on top of lives lost) etc. is either a) an overreaction on the part of the best virologists in the world, b) 5G or c) something weird to do with Bill Gates.

Which is it?

It’s a. A huge over reaction.

And why do you think that, given the opinion of the scientific community? (Genuine question)

The scientific community isn’t all in agreement, the U.K. in particular has had a lot of criticism over our methods and reliance on Ferguson’s models and the inputs into them.

[Jasandjules]

Pit Pony said:

Your granny might die.

I hope if you do get it that you don't end up with Post Viral Chronic Fatigue, unable to get out of bed for years without help.

Is that the same granny the NHS Heroes and our Selfless Govt were rushing to put DNRs on a few months ago? Suddenly now they care? Ok then.

Oh, and I've had post viral chronic fatigue for about 15 years now, spent a year where I couldn't walk and was told I would never walk or work again. But that was not caused by Covid. What is your point exactly?

[yellowjack]

Over over under steer said:

Gosh, some people on this forum are just toxic, and should really think about some of the heartless things they are saying.

However, I don't believe in grassing up neighbours or friends, that's not our role in society. Do your bit, follow the rules, be safe and protect those around you.

Heartless things?

Try supporting your next door neighbour when she's just been told "sorry, Chemo's cancelled, come back in 12 weeks". I mean, it's only life extending treatment that might just give her another year. Who knows? She might just get to see her first grandchild if the Chemo has the effect her oncologist hopes it will. I couldn't even give her a hug because the Chemo means she has to be extra careful keeping distance between her and anyone outside of her household.

But so long as it saves one morbidly obese diabetic with asthma, eh...

Meanwhile, on planet real life, since "Lockdown" we've had one stroke and one serious fall on our street, and a neighbour's daughter was knocked over by a car on her walk to school last week (not serious, car park speeds). And not one of our Covid Coffee Club regulars knows of a single case of Covid 19 within their families or social circles. Even those with relatives abroad in Australia and Malta.

The only heartless bds I can see are the Derpy fking wkspangles craving more and more restrictions from on high, and mask wearing at every possible opportunity.

There isn't a black and white binary position here. You're not either a "believer" or a "denier". I believe there's a virus, and that it has some serious effects. But I also firmly believe that the Government overreacted at the start, and now won't back down to avoid "losing face". Someone in Whitehall needs to grow a spine, admit that our understanding of the virus and it's effects has evolved since March, and start applying some critical thinking to the application of "rules" and "guidance". I'm sick of seeing stupid rules applied, rules that either have no effect on "controlling the virus" or worse, rules (such as the mask on/mask off/mask on again hokey kokey which increases risk of transmission due to extra face touching) that make things worse, and are only applied to pander to the terminally stupid.

[anonymous-user]

So fo all these people that dont want wear masks etc.. A real life story,...

My Mrs has a friend who was careful and practiced social distancing. Unfortunately her husband caught it and brought into the house. This twenty something was super fit, no real health issues. Then she caught Covid.

What a lot of people dont realise is that it a lot of illnesses that are normally supressed with a healthy immune system are allowed to flair up whilst the body is trying to fight Covid. She had a minor case of HS - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hidradenitis-suppura...

Fast forward a month later and although she over the Covid itself, other subdued illnesses flaired up. She now walks with a pair of crutches and will be for months if not years. On top of that, her lady parts where that badly damaged by HS that flaired up that she is having to have reconstructive surgery on it.

I tell this not for the titilation factor but its not just about deaths, its about the people who are ill and are very unlikely to ever recover fully post Covid. She has gone from a sports mad woman to virtually housebound. She wont be back to work for a long, long time.

Imagine how you would feel if you brought it in (by being a plonker and not even trying to avoid it) and did this to your Mrs?

CL1

[Hoofy]

ChocyLint1 said:

So fo all these people that dont want wear masks etc.. A real life story,...

My Mrs has a friend who was careful and practiced social distancing. Unfortunately her husband caught it and brought into the house. This twenty something was super fit, no real health issues. Then she caught Covid.

What a lot of people dont realise is that it a lot of illnesses that are normally supressed with a healthy immune system are allowed to flair up whilst the body is trying to fight Covid. She had a minor case of HS - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hidradenitis-suppura...

Fast forward a month later and although she over the Covid itself, other subdued illnesses flaired up. She now walks with a pair of crutches and will be for months if not years. On top of that, her lady parts where that badly damaged by HS that flaired up that she is having to have reconstructive surgery on it.

I tell this not for the titilation factor but its not just about deaths, its about the people who are ill and are very unlikely to ever recover fully post Covid. She has gone from a sports mad woman to virtually housebound. She wont be back to work for a long, long time.

Imagine how you would feel if you brought it in (by being a plonker and not even trying to avoid it) and did this to your Mrs?

CL1

Looks like something I've seen on Embarrassing Bodies.

I was talking to people dealing with chronic illness such as fibromyalgia and ME - they said their chronic condition was triggered by a virus. I guess... well... fk the weak! Survival of the fittest. I'm a PBCD so I will be fine.



PS Anyone recommend a reliable gardener in SW London who isn't weak?

[yellowjack]

ChocyLint1 said:

So fo all these people that dont want wear masks etc.. A real life story,...

My Mrs has a friend who was careful and practiced social distancing. Unfortunately her husband caught it and brought into the house. This twenty something was super fit, no real health issues. Then she caught Covid.

What a lot of people dont realise is that it a lot of illnesses that are normally supressed with a healthy immune system are allowed to flair up whilst the body is trying to fight Covid. She had a minor case of HS - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hidradenitis-suppura...

Fast forward a month later and although she over the Covid itself, other subdued illnesses flaired up. She now walks with a pair of crutches and will be for months if not years. On top of that, her lady parts where that badly damaged by HS that flaired up that she is having to have reconstructive surgery on it.

I tell this not for the titilation factor but its not just about deaths, its about the people who are ill and are very unlikely to ever recover fully post Covid. She has gone from a sports mad woman to virtually housebound. She wont be back to work for a long, long time.

Imagine how you would feel if you brought it in (by being a plonker and not even trying to avoid it) and did this to your Mrs?

CL1

Aimed at me?

Seriously, you want to try harder. My wife works deep in the bowels of the local hospital, nursing. Has done for over 30 years. The chances of me (retired, and occasional long-distance solo cyclist) giving it to her? Laughable.

Meanwhile, the terminally stupid are happy to push in front of you at the supermarket, or get right up close in queues because "it's awright, because masks, innit".

For the hard of learning, the current message is "Hands. Face. Space." And I can guarantee you it isn't Hands OR Face OR Space. What they mean is Hands AND Face AND Space. I'm more than happy with keeping MY distance. Now if all the thickos out there could just do the same, and maybe wash their hands more than once a day, that'd do more to help "prevent the spread" than any number of those crappy disposable masks that I keep seeing dumped in the street. Seriously. The world is full of handwringing fkwits who seem to love a rule or three, but apparently have no real understanding of how those rules are meant to achieve their aim.

[anonymous-user]

yellowjack said:

ChocyLint1 said:

So fo all these people that dont want wear masks etc.. A real life story,...

My Mrs has a friend who was careful and practiced social distancing. Unfortunately her husband caught it and brought into the house. This twenty something was super fit, no real health issues. Then she caught Covid.

What a lot of people dont realise is that it a lot of illnesses that are normally supressed with a healthy immune system are allowed to flair up whilst the body is trying to fight Covid. She had a minor case of HS - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hidradenitis-suppura...

Fast forward a month later and although she over the Covid itself, other subdued illnesses flaired up. She now walks with a pair of crutches and will be for months if not years. On top of that, her lady parts where that badly damaged by HS that flaired up that she is having to have reconstructive surgery on it.

I tell this not for the titilation factor but its not just about deaths, its about the people who are ill and are very unlikely to ever recover fully post Covid. She has gone from a sports mad woman to virtually housebound. She wont be back to work for a long, long time.

Imagine how you would feel if you brought it in (by being a plonker and not even trying to avoid it) and did this to your Mrs?

CL1

Aimed at me?

Seriously, you want to try harder. My wife works deep in the bowels of the local hospital, nursing. Has done for over 30 years. The chances of me (retired, and occasional long-distance solo cyclist) giving it to her? Laughable.

Meanwhile, the terminally stupid are happy to push in front of you at the supermarket, or get right up close in queues because "it's awright, because masks, innit".

For the hard of learning, the current message is "Hands. Face. Space." And I can guarantee you it isn't Hands OR Face OR Space. What they mean is Hands AND Face AND Space. I'm more than happy with keeping MY distance. Now if all the thickos out there could just do the same, and maybe wash their hands more than once a day, that'd do more to help "prevent the spread" than any number of those crappy disposable masks that I keep seeing dumped in the street. Seriously. The world is full of handwringing fkwits who seem to love a rule or three, but apparently have no real understanding of how those rules are meant to achieve their aim.

It wasnt aimed at anyone. It was just my take on it. My Mrs is a nurse too, nursing the dying on the Covid ward before she had to stop as seeing multiple people per day die as she held their hand whilst they died was too much.

I just think some people need a reality check.

Edited to correct some grammer.

[hotchy]

ChocyLint1 said:

So fo all these people that dont want wear masks etc.. A real life story,...

My Mrs has a friend who was careful and practiced social distancing. Unfortunately her husband caught it and brought into the house. This twenty something was super fit, no real health issues. Then she caught Covid.

What a lot of people dont realise is that it a lot of illnesses that are normally supressed with a healthy immune system are allowed to flair up whilst the body is trying to fight Covid. She had a minor case of HS - https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/hidradenitis-suppura...

Fast forward a month later and although she over the Covid itself, other subdued illnesses flaired up. She now walks with a pair of crutches and will be for months if not years. On top of that, her lady parts where that badly damaged by HS that flaired up that she is having to have reconstructive surgery on it.

I tell this not for the titilation factor but its not just about deaths, its about the people who are ill and are very unlikely to ever recover fully post Covid. She has gone from a sports mad woman to virtually housebound. She wont be back to work for a long, long time.

Imagine how you would feel if you brought it in (by being a plonker and not even trying to avoid it) and did this to your Mrs?

CL1

Healthy people can get bit by a mosquitoe and end up in the same states. Doesnt mean we close the world trying to eradicate them.

[Cold]

See also Glandular Fever for a similar knock-on reaction. But we don't shut down the whole country for that.

[FerrousOxide]

mybrainhurts said:

The scientific community is overrated....

Now this really boils my piss.

I don't know what field you work/worked in, nor at what level, but would you seriously tell the leaders in your field that they were overrated? Considering that experts in, say, epidemiology (or any of the medical sciences) have probably spent more time in education / training than pretty much any other professional, and it kinda sounds like a blind person stating how 20/20 vision is overrated.

Of course there's no point in me typing this since - if the scientific community is so overrated - I'm sure you'll already have got rid of your phone, your internet connection, your satnav, your laptop, your smart TV, the PCBs in your car, watch, Alexa, hearing aid, pacemaker, washing machine, central heating boiler, etc. and of course any satellite TV receiver. All of which were developed by that overrated community of which you're so scathing.

There's nothing wrong with accepting that something is beyond our understanding. I know enough about science (i.e. very little) to have an appreciation of how much is going on that I don't understand. But don't just cherry-pick the stuff which is personally convenient and say that everything else is overrated. It does't make you look good.

ETA: There's a whole other discussion about whether "snitching" on someone who breaks ill-conceived rules is societally acceptable, but let's not simply dismiss some of our most experienced and highly-qualified professionals as "overrated", just cos we don't agree with them. Otherwise we end up with a Trump-ian retreat into ignorance and populism, to the (arguable) benefit of the individual and the detriment of society.

[ChevronB19]

mybrainhurts said:

ChevronB19 said:

Douglas Quaid said:

ChevronB19 said:

It’s scary what people like you think under your little tin foil hats.

I assume you think the massive economic disruption (on top of lives lost) etc. is either a) an overreaction on the part of the best virologists in the world, b) 5G or c) something weird to do with Bill Gates.

Which is it?

It’s a. A huge over reaction.

And why do you think that, given the opinion of the scientific community? (Genuine question)

The scientific community is overrated. Witness Fauchi doing u turns every time you sneeze and all the original warnings of woe that never came to fruition.

Please don't say you think the World Health Organisation has any credibility.

I put my money on all the doctors who have spoken out and been stifled because their experience doesn't fit the orthodoxy.

‘The scientific community is overrated’. FFS. Ok, believe what they say at the corner shop, water cooler, whatever.

[Hoofy]

Watch the videos on YouTube. GET EDUCAMATED BEFORE THE NWO TAKES THEM DOWN!!

[Mr Tidy]

Mastodon2 said:

I'd expect the same downward trend of people coming forward for heart problems, diabetes etc too. You may have seen and heard, as I did, the doctors on TV and the radio, adverts on the internet asking people to please come to their GPs for any problems as usual, because they had seen such a decline in numbers of patients. Imagine someone experiencing a symptom of breast cancer or bowel cancer and deciding not to visit a doctor because they've been so crippled by fear of Covid-19. That is an appalling situation and terribly sad for any individuals involved.

But you can't go to your GP because they seem to think they are too precious to actually see patients!

If the pandemic has highlighted one thing it is that GPs are only of any use to get a referral to a specialist - assuming you can get through to the receptionist who will then go out of their way to prevent you contacting a GP.

Might as well cut out the middleman and go to A & E!