Grassing up a Covid **** taker.
Discussion
NGee said:
'Wetherspoons' and 'snob', now there's two words you don't often hear in the same sentence!!
Anyway, I do agree with your sentiment, as that particular poster has a habit of condemning anyone who might be enjoying themselves whilst proudly announcing to everyone, that nearly every time he posts he is down the pub!
Hypocrite would probably be a better word than snob!
The pubs are the best controlled places, the numbers back this up. It’s what’s going on elsewhere, that’s the bigger issue ( meeting lots of people, indoors for example ).Anyway, I do agree with your sentiment, as that particular poster has a habit of condemning anyone who might be enjoying themselves whilst proudly announcing to everyone, that nearly every time he posts he is down the pub!
Hypocrite would probably be a better word than snob!
sixor8 said:
Presumably, this is in tier 2; I don't supposed anybody has bothered to ascertain if they are from the same household? The people who run these places aren't going to ask anybody to prove it.....
Quite, it’s tough for the establishments. Given what they’ve ( quite readily said quite loudly ) they aren’t all from the same household, so they’re already taking the piss.Edited by BrundanBianchi on Friday 18th December 16:19
The manager has just asked them to leave, apparently someone had a word, and because they can’t prove that they are all from the same household ( because seemingly not a single one of them have I.D.) they’ve been turfed out. That’s a shame, I wonder who had a word 
Byeeeeeee.
Byeeeeeee.
Edited by BrundanBianchi on Friday 18th December 17:47
Pit Pony said:
All the rules and advice is really pissing me off.
You and everyone else.Pit Pony said:
Since March, we have been very careful. In the summer when we could have had more freedom, we choose to not take it.
Good.Pit Pony said:
The only places I've been are Supermarket. Never more than once a week. Screwfix. In an emergency. Rental twice. Once to fix a window handle and once with the gas technician to let him.in as tenant had to work.
Good.Pit Pony said:
I've seen my son once outside at a picnic and once at my father in laws funeral.
you’ve had to grit your teeth a lot, that’s (unfortunately) par for the course at the moment I’m afraid.Pit Pony said:
Now, we have a 2nd Home in Tier 3. It was bought because all the contract work I had over the last 10 years was commutable from it and we thought that woukd continue, so this would be a sensible investment. In hindsight a stupid plan.
Hindsight is 20-20 vision, just about everyone has dropped a b
k somewhere with this situation.Pit Pony said:
I digress. We live in Tier 2.
We were going to visit tomorrow for one night. Take all our food with us, zero risk.
“Zero risk” unless something unforeseen goes wrong, which could be anything from the car breaking down and needing a recovery service ( that’s avoidable contact ) to someone getting ill and needing medical intervention ( thus stoking / feeding the fire ).We were going to visit tomorrow for one night. Take all our food with us, zero risk.
Pit Pony said:
Wife wont go. Because...
It says in the regulations, that people in Tier 3 should not visit second homes in Tier 2.
It says in the regulations, that people in Tier 3 should not visit second homes in Tier 2.
She’s right.
Pit Pony said:
Should not. Not Must Not. It also says things like avoid....unless necessary travel.....
Language that is ultimately just legal arse covering from the Government. Take it as actually meaning ‘Do Not’.Pit Pony said:
My argument to her is. That we have reason to go. Check the heating is still working, do some DiY, and collect the wine from the cellar for Christmas and have a night in a bigger bed and if we stayed an extra night, I could actually go into the office and see my hiring manager on Monday. And check on progress of the prototype build, that I've only seen pictures of.
That’s exactly the sort of thing the Government are trying to limit as much as possible.Pit Pony said:
There followed a tarade of out pouring of emotion from.my wife.
So anyway we are not going. You can't argue with raw emotion. Covid is killing mental health and the ability to think logically, so what can you do ? No point in making the poor woman worse.
It’s tough, but that’s because it’s supposed to be.So anyway we are not going. You can't argue with raw emotion. Covid is killing mental health and the ability to think logically, so what can you do ? No point in making the poor woman worse.
Pit Pony said:
But knowing that it's not actually illegal, and knowing that the risks to us both no higher than not going, has really pissed me off.
There are lots of things that aren’t “actually illegal” but that’s more to do with the fact that it takes a lot of time and effort to make something “illegal” in the statute books. It’s as “illegal” as it could be made in a short time frame. The “risks” of going are way higher than not going. Just because there aren’t visible armies of rampaging killing machines, doesn’t mean they are not there. Think of the COVID causing virons as invisible rampaging killing machines.Pit Pony said:
Does anyone think I'd be a piss taker ?
I definately have to go for 2 days in 1st week of Jan because I have work stuff I need to do that I can't do at home.
You’d gladly help contribute to extending the misery, which you’ve already admitted is causing you issues then?I definately have to go for 2 days in 1st week of Jan because I have work stuff I need to do that I can't do at home.
I sympathise to an extent, but thinking, like has been demonstrated above, is exactly what’s going to contribute to the elongation of these control measures. There is light at the end of the tunnel, we just need to keep gritting our teeth until we can get ahead of the virus, via vaccination. Getting people to actually do it is as hard as trying to baptise a cat, a lot of the time though.
Edited by BrundanBianchi on Saturday 19th December 09:06
Elysium said:
No she is not.
It says that in the guidance, not the Regulations. There are no legal restrictions on travel between tiers.
As I pointed out, it takes too long to get it on the statue books, so they’ve said don’t do it, without the legal hobnail boot available to make it unequivocal.It says that in the guidance, not the Regulations. There are no legal restrictions on travel between tiers.
NikBartlett said:
I see the government are now busy softening us up for lockdown 3.0 for the start of January, maybe even at the end of December. Are they really making all this up on the hoof which is the impression they are trying to give or is there a masterplan sitting in the bowels of Whitehall that was written back in March ? Perhaps I am giving them more credit than I should 
The lockdown is unavoidable unfortunately. As for the master plan, well that’s been in place for at least 12 years. The government are ‘pumping the brakes’ rather than slamming them on, to buy enough time to get the solution working, without having a fk tonne of dummies spat, and rattles thrown out of prams, at the same time. There’s another serious fly in the ointment about to be revealed by press conference this afternoon as well. The original strain of SARS-nCoV-2 has mutated its protein spikes significantly, to form a new strain. This is a potential disaster, as it will ( in all likelihood) render the viral vector vaccines ( Oxford /Astra Zeneca / Sputnik / Chinese one / French one) completely useless, and will ( almost certainly) render the current Pfizer BioNtech mRNA vaccine ineffective, without significant modification. That’s my understanding of the ‘worst case’ scenario. The science has been done on the new emergent strain, and the cabinet have been briefed, we get to hear about it later.Breadvan72 said:
A few correctives to some wrong stuff posted above
1. If something that would usually be lawful is not rendered unlawful by clear and express provision in the emergency legislation, then it is not unlawful. Guidance, advice, and so on have no legal effect.
That’s true1. If something that would usually be lawful is not rendered unlawful by clear and express provision in the emergency legislation, then it is not unlawful. Guidance, advice, and so on have no legal effect.
Breadvan72 said:
2. Hospital occupancy is currently lower than it was one year ago.
That isn’t ( at least not universally) some health care trusts are at high 90’s percent bed occupancy much earlier than usual, some quieter ones aren’t.Breadvan72 said:
3. The new strain is not thus far thought to be likely to be resistant to the vaccines, but we shall see.
Last week called, it wants it’s science back.Edited by BrundanBianchi on Saturday 19th December 15:26
Elysium said:
Blah blah blah blah blah.
Right, I see we have a librarian in the house. If you want to avoid seeing the bigger picture, it’s quite easy, but it’s not sensible.Elysium said:
Your suggestion that they meant to prohibit travel, but did not include because it would take too long is 'made up' nonsense.
Elysium said:
Travel between tiers is advised against, but it is legal. The 'advice' has no basis in law and we are all free to decide if we should follow it.
That’s a serious weakness. Allowing people to interpret stuff which has had to be put out as ‘only advice’ is giving morons carte Blanche to keep this going longer than it should, by deciding whether or not they choose to follow the ‘DON’T BLOODY WELL DO IT’ but we can’t actually say that, because it’s very tricky to get it to stick legally, and takes a long time, ‘advice’ being given by the experts.markyb_lcy said:
You really have no idea what you’re talking about.
There’s no evidence yet shown publicly that the new strain is more infectious.
There’s no evidence the new strain (one of hundreds-thousands by the way) is a problem for any of the vaccines. Many of “the scientists” have been keen to stress that over the last 24 hours.
Every and any political decision is “avoidable”.
There’s no evidence yet shown publicly that the new strain is more infectious.
There’s no evidence the new strain (one of hundreds-thousands by the way) is a problem for any of the vaccines. Many of “the scientists” have been keen to stress that over the last 24 hours.
Every and any political decision is “avoidable”.
Well, how do you like your words, Boiled, fried or poached?
b0rk said:
The strain is and has been published on nextstrain, if it was significant change to spike protein it would have been split off as new subtype. FYI it hasn't been. Best put the book of face down.
Hmmmmm, I think you’re going to get a shock later. My info doesn’t come from Facebook either.Breadvan72 said:
I am glad to see that you have realised the error of your ways on point 1, and hopefully you will now stop making false statements about the law as part of your panic mongering.
Yeah whatever sweety.Breadvan72 said:
As to 2 and 3, the BBC disagree with you.
What has big black cock got to do with this?
Ntv said:
I was at a big indoor gathering last night
Breaking the rules
Off abroad next week an no intention of isolating when I get back
I’m with the majority of people in that regard - breaking the rules. The rules are for covid clowns to dance the mask dance
Well let’s hope you get to grab the sBreaking the rules
Off abroad next week an no intention of isolating when I get back
I’m with the majority of people in that regard - breaking the rules. The rules are for covid clowns to dance the mask dance
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