I want his badge....
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Pothole said:
scoey1001 said:
This form of 'auditing' began in America and people have started copying it over here. As I said earlier while I agree this isn't the right way about it there are many police officers who seem to abuse their powers. A lot of them seem to lack knowledge of the laws they are supposed to uphold.
A lot of people seem to have unrealistic expectations of other human beings' behaviour in ridiculously contrived situations.rfsteel said:
I'm one that enjoys watching these Auditors, if anything I see it as reverse psychology to the Officers, a bit like the Attitude test they expect us to pass when being stopped for speeding.
Recently found https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYQT7WJt9AEwPFtE7... who seems to find the more aggressive officers, though I do enjoy when he drops the line "I wouldn't want you getting into trouble" or "your free to leave".
One thing I think where these Auditors are doing it 100% right is when visiting the Covid Test Sites, where the Security members seem to think they are the Police and choose what the law is, only for the Police to be called, and the Auditor then waiting about for an apology.
You seem to have linked to some poor quality recordings of dreadful bands, instead of someone arguing with the Police!Recently found https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYQT7WJt9AEwPFtE7... who seems to find the more aggressive officers, though I do enjoy when he drops the line "I wouldn't want you getting into trouble" or "your free to leave".
One thing I think where these Auditors are doing it 100% right is when visiting the Covid Test Sites, where the Security members seem to think they are the Police and choose what the law is, only for the Police to be called, and the Auditor then waiting about for an apology.
FA57 VWT said:
Jasey_ said:
I'm very concerned the 
wasn't shot.
hth
The one time I'd happily forgive a police officer for shooting an unarmed member of the public. wasn't shot.hth
You have to be a fairly toxic persona to behave like that or go out of your way to defend it..
Lord Marylebone said:
You seem to have linked to some poor quality recordings of dreadful bands, instead of someone arguing with the Police!
Sorry meant this guy https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCp8M1vJgcDq5HszXx...Lord Marylebone said:
Ruskie said:
Absolutely frightening that anyone can watch that and not understand it’s a waste of police resources. If someone is filming a police station is it not reasonable to check their motives are not malicious?
Whenever I see these videos I am staggered that the Police make a conscious decision to waste their own resources. The people making these videos are twerps, but they didn't ask the Police to waste their resources, moreover they would cause no trouble whatsoever if simply ignored. They would stand filming for an hour, get no reaction, and leave.
There are many similar videos out there, but they usually go like this:
Someone is wandering around filming outside Police stations, Army bases, Houses of Parliament, etc obviously trying to be noticed. They are then noticed by security or Police, and approached by an officer and asked what they are doing. As soon as the person says "I'm just filming a video for youtube" or starts saying "I'm legally allowed to be here and you cannot ask for my details" the officers simply laugh because they realise exactly what is happening, and just say "No problem Sir, you have a good day" and simply leave.
My question is, all officers must have seen these sort of videos a dozen times and know what the score is, so why on earth to they get involved, and why do they insist in wasting their own time with these idiots? Does it just become some stupid battle of ego and will?
Here's an example, by a firearms officer, of what they should be doing. The whole thing dealt with politely in less than two minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqMBAiHY__4
The police come out of it looking highly professional and reasonable, and the youtuber gets no exciting footage.
Lord Marylebone said:
My question is, all officers must have seen these sort of videos a dozen times and know what the score is, so why on earth to they get involved, and why do they insist in wasting their own time with these idiots? Does it just become some stupid battle of ego and will?
It would appear not. IME, not all police officers pay attention to every briefing and/or every bit of training they receive, just like the rest of us. Most of the rest of us have the opportunity to check before we make tits of ourselves, and many of us wouldn't venture down such a path as the officers who do make tits of themselves do without being pretty sure of ourselves. Sadly, despite degrees now being a requirement for many, if not all officer candidates, common sense, that elusive commodity, does not appear to be.It takes all sorts to make an effective team and sending the kind of silly sods embarrassed in some of these videos into this kind of situation is like putting your shortest player in goal in a penalty shoot out. I bet they're effective on a Saturday night in a city centre at chucking out time, or charging into a drug dealer's house after the door's been bashed in, though. Some of the more cerebral, sensible officers, maybe not so much.
Ruskie said:
Point is they have to do due diligence in the bloke regardless of his intentions. It’s not a normal thing for a member of public to be doing, filming a police station. Proper weird behaviour to get a reaction.
They don’t have to do anything as far as I’m aware.The whole point is that filming/photographing whilst on public property is not a crime.
The police are literally approaching people who aren’t breaking the law, and asking them what they are doing.
The whole “You might be a terrorist/nefarious/criminal” argument is just ridiculous as well. Does anyone actually think for one minute that criminals or terrorists actually wander round holding a camera in broad daylight giving commentary on what they see? Of course they don’t.
The Police need to stop involving themselves every time they see some pillock walking round holding a camera.
This is been going on for years now, you would think they would have learned.
Lord Marylebone said:
They don’t have to do anything as far as I’m aware.
The whole point is that filming/photographing whilst on public property is not a crime.
The police are literally approaching people who aren’t breaking the law, and asking them what they are doing.
The whole “You might be a terrorist/nefarious/criminal” argument is just ridiculous as well. Does anyone actually think for one minute that criminals or terrorists actually wander round holding a camera in broad daylight giving commentary on what they see? Of course they don’t.
The Police need to stop involving themselves every time they see some pillock walking round holding a camera.
This is been going on for years now, you would think they would have learned.
I reckon a bit of education for security staff would probably cut police involvement in this scenario moreThe whole point is that filming/photographing whilst on public property is not a crime.
The police are literally approaching people who aren’t breaking the law, and asking them what they are doing.
The whole “You might be a terrorist/nefarious/criminal” argument is just ridiculous as well. Does anyone actually think for one minute that criminals or terrorists actually wander round holding a camera in broad daylight giving commentary on what they see? Of course they don’t.
The Police need to stop involving themselves every time they see some pillock walking round holding a camera.
This is been going on for years now, you would think they would have learned.
"You cant take photos"
"Yes I can"
"Right im ringing the police" seems to be the standard script.
Lord Marylebone said:
Does anyone actually think for one minute that criminals or terrorists actually wander round holding a camera in broad daylight giving commentary on what they see? Of course they don’t.
The security services clearly don't have access to all the facts that you do.
Greendubber said:
Hostile reconnaissance is a very real thing so yes, people do just walk around taking pictures of buildings in broad daylight.
I came across one last night - didnt post it for obvious reasons - where guy is collared by 4 coppers.Keeps them talking, one goes off, whilst he is gone he actually shows them his youtube channel of what he does, the other officer then comes back and does a search under terrorism legislation, even though he tells him he has shown the other officers what he is going to use the footage for - i.e. not terrorism. Just on a power trip and cannot accept situations where they have to walk away.
Mojooo said:
Greendubber said:
Hostile reconnaissance is a very real thing so yes, people do just walk around taking pictures of buildings in broad daylight.
I came across one last night - didnt post it for obvious reasons - where guy is collared by 4 coppers.Keeps them talking, one goes off, whilst he is gone he actually shows them his youtube channel of what he does, the other officer then comes back and does a search under terrorism legislation, even though he tells him he has shown the other officers what he is going to use the footage for - i.e. not terrorism. Just on a power trip and cannot accept situations where they have to walk away.
Why would a terrorist need to film police stations if he can go on YouTube and watch what 'your friend' has posted?
singlecoil said:
Mojooo said:
Greendubber said:
Hostile reconnaissance is a very real thing so yes, people do just walk around taking pictures of buildings in broad daylight.
I came across one last night - didnt post it for obvious reasons - where guy is collared by 4 coppers.Keeps them talking, one goes off, whilst he is gone he actually shows them his youtube channel of what he does, the other officer then comes back and does a search under terrorism legislation, even though he tells him he has shown the other officers what he is going to use the footage for - i.e. not terrorism. Just on a power trip and cannot accept situations where they have to walk away.
Why would a terrorist need to film police stations if he can go on YouTube and watch what 'your friend' has posted?
singlecoil said:
Mojooo said:
Greendubber said:
Hostile reconnaissance is a very real thing so yes, people do just walk around taking pictures of buildings in broad daylight.
I came across one last night - didnt post it for obvious reasons - where guy is collared by 4 coppers.Keeps them talking, one goes off, whilst he is gone he actually shows them his youtube channel of what he does, the other officer then comes back and does a search under terrorism legislation, even though he tells him he has shown the other officers what he is going to use the footage for - i.e. not terrorism. Just on a power trip and cannot accept situations where they have to walk away.
Why would a terrorist need to film police stations if he can go on YouTube and watch what 'your friend' has posted?
no filming of big ben, parliament, Trafalgar square etc?
that is your logic.
you are also fundamentally ignoring the fact its not illegal to film police stations for reasons other than terrorism.
Bigends said:
singlecoil said:
Mojooo said:
Greendubber said:
Hostile reconnaissance is a very real thing so yes, people do just walk around taking pictures of buildings in broad daylight.
I came across one last night - didnt post it for obvious reasons - where guy is collared by 4 coppers.Keeps them talking, one goes off, whilst he is gone he actually shows them his youtube channel of what he does, the other officer then comes back and does a search under terrorism legislation, even though he tells him he has shown the other officers what he is going to use the footage for - i.e. not terrorism. Just on a power trip and cannot accept situations where they have to walk away.
Why would a terrorist need to film police stations if he can go on YouTube and watch what 'your friend' has posted?
rfsteel said:
One thing I think where these Auditors are doing it 100% right is when visiting the Covid Test Sites, where the Security members seem to think they are the Police and choose what the law is, only for the Police to be called, and the Auditor then waiting about for an apology.
For a minute there I thought you were saying these cretins are causing their mischief at Covid testing sites, too.No one would be quite that much of an utter f
kwit, though.Mojooo said:
singlecoil said:
Mojooo said:
Greendubber said:
Hostile reconnaissance is a very real thing so yes, people do just walk around taking pictures of buildings in broad daylight.
I came across one last night - didnt post it for obvious reasons - where guy is collared by 4 coppers.Keeps them talking, one goes off, whilst he is gone he actually shows them his youtube channel of what he does, the other officer then comes back and does a search under terrorism legislation, even though he tells him he has shown the other officers what he is going to use the footage for - i.e. not terrorism. Just on a power trip and cannot accept situations where they have to walk away.
Why would a terrorist need to film police stations if he can go on YouTube and watch what 'your friend' has posted?
no filming of Big Ben, Parliament, Trafalgar Square etc?
that is your logic.
you are also fundamentally ignoring the fact it's not illegal to film police stations for reasons other than terrorism.
Mojooo said:
So you are saying you shouldnt film and put anything on youtube that could be used by terorists?
no filming of big ben, parliament, Trafalgar square etc?
that is your logic.
you are also fundamentally ignoring the fact its not illegal to film police stations for reasons other than terrorism.
You’re not anti-Police though, right? Just checking.no filming of big ben, parliament, Trafalgar square etc?
that is your logic.
you are also fundamentally ignoring the fact its not illegal to film police stations for reasons other than terrorism.
What’s your argument in support of what these people are doing. Forget the legality of it, unless your argument is that these activities should be criminalised so that it’s not even possible for them to film there?
Why do you think it’s reasonable for these people to film people’s comings and goings, to antagonise them for a reaction, and posting that for the public to see, if they are Police or work with them? (e.g. the ARV site example given previously). Do you believe that if you work for or with the Police that all bets are off in terms of your own personal privacy?
I fail to see how these videos are in any way demonstrative of anything beyond some very strange individuals getting a kick out of trying to get a reaction, and monetising that reaction to their own end on YouTube. You seem to think it’s all harmless and the various people being filmed should suck it up because it’s not explicitly illegal, regardless of whatever impact there might be on their identities being revealed to a bunch of like minded super loonies who watch this stuff. It doesn’t take much to galvanise broke brained people into stupid actions, or even escalating these videos in the name of pushing boundaries for more attention, etc.
But it’s the Police that are in the wrong, yeah?
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