I want his badge....

[Mojooo]

I'm not necessarily supporting them. But I just find the demonstrations of Police abusing their power interesting. the OP certainly demonstrates very questionable behaviour and a piss poor response from the Police HQ.

I can post multiple example of the Police being fine but I haven't because people are being so butthurt.

[CoreyDog]

What kind of kno**ers could even be bothered? Do they really have so little going on that this in entertainment?

I wonder if they have the balls to head to certain military installations and try this garbage? I'd give them 10 minutes or less before it would be brown trouser time with a weapon pointed at them.

Found in any dealings I have had with the police, treat them decently like human beings and they return the courtesy.

[BrundanBianchi]

Mojooo said:

OK first let me start by saying I am not anti Police and I was in 2 minds to post something on here but its the only forum I am on which specifically has a section for this type of thing.

Somehow I managed to watch one of these videos where people go around filming a site which might be considered sensitive (i.e. Police station/prison) and then seeing if they are stopped or 'harassed' by Police. Whilst they could fall under the heading of 'Police baiting' a lot of the ones I have seen are pretty reasonable. On some the Police are fine and on some they are woeful. I must have seen 20 of them.

Some Police invoke terror legislation and some don't. The guidance that is quote by these 'auditors' as they call themselves comes from the Police and clearly states photographing in itself is not considered suspicious behaviour.

Like I say, I wasn't going to post anything until I saw this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ2zUh4C-WA

The Police response is here:
https://www.facebook.com/570296833345193/posts/117...

Personally I think the response of the Police (i.e. the statement) is pretty piss poor. That Officer that refuses to give his details looks to me like a textbook loose canon.

Thoughts?

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

[Mojooo]

BrundanBianchi said:

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

Its been done outside MOD sites. The one I saw the Police were fine.
They had chain link fences. If its so secure that it shouldn't be seen from the road then presumably they would have had something better.

[Bigends]

Mojooo said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

Its been done outside MOD sites. The one I saw the Police were fine.
They had chain link fences. If its so secure that it shouldn't be seen from the road then presumably they would have had something better.

Exactly - pretty much anything visible from a public area is fair game for filming or photography unless there are lawful, enforceable signs restricting you from doing so. You'll no doubt be spoken with but that should be as far as it goes

[Jediworrier]

CoreyDog said:

What kind of kno**ers could even be bothered? Do they really have so little going on that this in entertainment?

I wonder if they have the balls to head to certain military installations and try this garbage? I'd give them 10 minutes or less before it would be brown trouser time with a weapon pointed at them.

Found in any dealings I have had with the police, treat them decently like human beings and they return the courtesy.

If they have the time why not?

They have!

The last two interactions I've had with Police they were complete bellends and had I thought to record them they too would have ended up on you tube but I wasn't baiting, just lucky to be let off an unspecified offence!

Edited by Jediworrier on Tuesday 20th October 19:58

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UpThe said:

You are as much of a tt for posting this thread, as the clown on the YouTube video. HTH.

What was your previous user name before you were banned?

[Greendubber]

Mojooo said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

Its been done outside MOD sites. The one I saw the Police were fine.
They had chain link fences. If its so secure that it shouldn't be seen from the road then presumably they would have had something better.

I was at Porton Down recently and I'm sure the signs on the perimeter fencing were telling people not to take photographs.

[anonymous-user]

OP, stop winding yourself up, the guy was out for a reaction and got it.

The situation was totally contrived and if the police did the same thing they would be accused of entrapment. Why else was the guy hanging round a carpark where he has no access and is not even trying to park a car there.

The OP is another gullible victim of 'social media'.

[Mojooo]

Greendubber said:

Mojooo said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

Its been done outside MOD sites. The one I saw the Police were fine.
They had chain link fences. If its so secure that it shouldn't be seen from the road then presumably they would have had something better.

I was at Porton Down recently and I'm sure the signs on the perimeter fencing were telling people not to take photographs.

Are they based on law though?

[Mojooo]

gottans said:

OP, stop winding yourself up, the guy was out for a reaction and got it.

The situation was totally contrived and if the police did the same thing they would be accused of entrapment. Why else was the guy hanging round a carpark where he has no access and is not even trying to park a car there.

The OP is another gullible victim of 'social media'.

I'm chilled.

Its pretty clear the guy was there to see what the Police reaction would be - that is the whole point. Its also pretty clear that many Police are failing miserably.

[Bigends]

Mojooo said:

Greendubber said:

Mojooo said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

Its been done outside MOD sites. The one I saw the Police were fine.
They had chain link fences. If its so secure that it shouldn't be seen from the road then presumably they would have had something better.

I was at Porton Down recently and I'm sure the signs on the perimeter fencing were telling people not to take photographs.

Are they based on law though?

I seem to recall a previous thread on these signs - no theyre not - just to discourage

[PorkInsider]

Mojooo said:

I'm not necessarily supporting them. But I just find the demonstrations of Police abusing their power interesting. the OP certainly demonstrates very questionable behaviour and a piss poor response from the Police HQ.

I can post multiple example of the Police being fine but I haven't because people are being so butthurt.

[Jediworrier]

Regardless of wether you agree or not photography from a public place is not a crime, that's what these guys are proving.

I'm sure ther's nothing there that can't be seen from there that's not available on google earth and the ground by their camara wagon.

Some people who think they have authority do seem to be pricks, some don't.

[surveyor_101]

Jediworrier said:

Regardless of wether you agree or not photography from a public place is not a crime, that's what these guys are proving.

I'm sure ther's nothing there that can't be seen from there that's not available on google earth and the ground by their camara wagon.

Some people who think they have authority do seem to be pricks, some don't.

I don't agree with AB some of the stuff he does, he wants to make complaints but won't give his details for example, that sort of thing destroys his credibility.

However, this the police have so much to do................leeds me to many a time 2, 4, 6, 8 officers all spring with often poor understandings of the law, the police college guidance issued on filming in public places.

What concerns me, as in this case is the office is sarg with a probie and he as in many cases they seem to unclear on law, their own force position, the police college guidance and they jump from "you can't do that" to your being searched under terrorism laws in many cases some sections that have been repealed.


So yes the police have loads to do, but this proves in some cases they prioritise non issues and make a mountain out of it.

They in alot of cases can't affectively and lawfully apply the law, so leaving themselves open to compensation claims and criticism which further undermines confidence in them.

I think it comes down to policing is not a promising career anymore so it seems to attract way to many crazy narcissist!

[surveyor_101]

Mojooo said:

I'm chilled.

Its pretty clear the guy was there to see what the Police reaction would be - that is the whole point. Its also pretty clear that many Police are failing miserably.

If they don't behave like idiots he thanks them, its a non issue and he goes on his way.

Its a case of he sees how professional they are and this guys failed with a 'F'!


I have see some where there very short so if you don't go in mob handed and aggressive and shouting terrorism AB does not push to escalate.

[Jediworrier]

surveyor_101 said:

I don't agree with AB some of the stuff he does, he wants to make complaints but won't give his details for example, that sort of thing destroys his credibility.

However, this the police have so much to do................leeds me to many a time 2, 4, 6, 8 officers all spring with often poor understandings of the law, the police college guidance issued on filming in public places.

What concerns me, as in this case is the office is sarg with a probie and he as in many cases they seem to unclear on law, their own force position, the police college guidance and they jump from "you can't do that" to your being searched under terrorism laws in many cases some sections that have been repealed.


So yes the police have loads to do, but this proves in some cases they prioritise non issues and make a mountain out of it.

They in alot of cases can't affectively and lawfully apply the law, so leaving themselves open to compensation claims and criticism which further undermines confidence in them.

I think it comes down to policing is not a promising career anymore so it seems to attract way to many crazy narcissist!

I only stumbled across ab a month or so back but have seen other previously. I tend to agree with your entire post!

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Mojooo said:

Greendubber said:

Mojooo said:

BrundanBianchi said:

Try doing that outside Porton Down.

Its been done outside MOD sites. The one I saw the Police were fine.
They had chain link fences. If its so secure that it shouldn't be seen from the road then presumably they would have had something better.

I was at Porton Down recently and I'm sure the signs on the perimeter fencing were telling people not to take photographs.

Are they based on law though?

I seem to recall a previous thread on these signs - no theyre not - just to discourage

It was Boscombe Down that had the signs, I'd stopped on the way to DSTL which is a few minutes down the road at Porton.

The signs looked official enough for me not to want to do it.

[Derek Smith]

surveyor_101 said:

I don't agree with AB some of the stuff he does, he wants to make complaints but won't give his details for example, that sort of thing destroys his credibility.

However, this the police have so much to do................leeds me to many a time 2, 4, 6, 8 officers all spring with often poor understandings of the law, the police college guidance issued on filming in public places.

What concerns me, as in this case is the office is sarg with a probie and he as in many cases they seem to unclear on law, their own force position, the police college guidance and they jump from "you can't do that" to your being searched under terrorism laws in many cases some sections that have been repealed.


So yes the police have loads to do, but this proves in some cases they prioritise non issues and make a mountain out of it.

They in alot of cases can't affectively and lawfully apply the law, so leaving themselves open to compensation claims and criticism which further undermines confidence in them.

I think it comes down to policing is not a promising career anymore so it seems to attract way to many crazy narcissist!

Lack of legal knowledge is a problem in policing. It was a problem when I joined the service and it was still a problem when I left, despite me spending some time as a trainer. Part of the reason of lack of knowledge of practical requirements is the way training is organised. When I trained recruits the whole intent was to get your class through the weekly and end of course examinations. In this, I suppose, we were the same as many teachers.

The examinations were set centrally, in an enclave that was divorced from everyday policing, not to mention commonsense. One of the exam questions sticks in my mind even after 35 years. ‘What is the specific power of arrest for assault on police?’

It’s a simple enough question for a time when there were multitudes of powers, some quite illogical. A piece of legislation was passed which meant there were two powers of arrest for an offence, one of which was found committing and the other reasonable suspicion. It was obvious that if you found someone committing the offence, your suspicion was reasonable. Yet it was a hardy perennial in sergeant’s exams.

If you research the legislation you discover that this anomaly was noticed in the legislation period but it was decided not to correct it because it would be expensive and, obviously, no one would bother with found committing. Except of course the exam setters.

There was no specific power of arrest for assault police. I won’t bore you with the niceties. But it took the concentrated efforts of all the instructors at the training centre over three months to get the question changed to one where it didn’t teach new law, and even then the wording was open to misinterpretation.

So what we had the police officers strolling the streets with knowledge of what was required to prove murder but not knowing what they could do with a group of youths hanging about outside the post office pension day.

I passed my sergeant’s exams and inspectors exams, neither of which helped me much as a police officer.

I’m told it’s similar to all teaching - god I hope not - but we were taught in order to be tested. We were given definitions to learn. One was of a recovery vehicle. When I return to division from headquarters driver training, my superintendent berated me the fact that we were moving away from teaching definitions on initial courses and on CID courses. He went on to repeat the definition of recovery vehicle, which might be impressive if you didn’t know that the definition had changed twice since he had learned it, and all it related to was displaying a tax disc, which police were discouraged from reporting.

That said, lack of knowledge of the law is not only a problem for the police. I was my force's identification officer and gave evidence in 35 or so crown court cases in two years, and three of those turned farcical because the prosecution, who, remember, could research in their own time, had misunderstood the legislation and so more or less ensured their client was found guilty. The law is not simple.

Police officers should be taught the practicalities of policing. Knowledge of the law of the everyday cases they come across is an essential but beyond that all they need to know is generalisations. These officers showed that they had a way of looking up relevant law, one that would have been useful for me on occasion. It is clear that they had not come across this type of baiting before so checking was, if anything, something to be praised.

Crazy narcissist’s, eh? Do me a favour. I’m in my dotage, and have experienced policing from outside until I joined the force in 1978, then inside for 30 years, and since then outside again. We have, currently, the best police force we’ve ever had in my experience. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, and probably won’t listen to my experience. However, it would be nice if policing was better, but then if you compare the way we are policed in this country compared to the rest of Europe we ain’t doing too badly. Imagine what would happen to this narcissist baiting officers in, say, the environs of a police station in France, Germany, or Italy. And other countries as well in Europe.

So be sensible, be grateful for what you’ve got, and don't post silly things online.

[rfsteel]

PorkInsider said:

For a minute there I thought you were saying these cretins are causing their mischief at Covid testing sites, too.

No one would be quite that much of an utter fkwit, though.

Aren't you interested in how £12bn is being spent.

These "cretins" are just walking around a public, and the security staff are so bored they seem to think employing there Walt skills on someone holding a camera is good use of there time and our money,