RE: AA atlas shows camera sites
Discussion
deeps said:
Transport 2000 said:
Press release embargoed until 00.01 hours Wednesday 29 June 2005
"and polls repeatedly show that more than 70 per cent of the public support the use of cameras to make the roads safer".
THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!! Do they have no shame?
Although, lies like this do serve a very good purpose in discrediting any other statistics that come from the same stable.
Are we sure that's a lie? I mean, it's not like the average motorist is an intelligent person/good driver...
now just keep up the pressure on T2000 and the rest of the lying 
simperialism2024 said:
Transport 2000 said:
Press release embargoed until 00.01 hours Wednesday 29 June 2005
"and polls repeatedly show that more than 70 per cent of the public support the use of cameras to make the roads safer".
THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!! Do they have no shame?
Although, lies like this do serve a very good purpose in discrediting any other statistics that come from the same stable.
Are we sure that's a lie? I mean, it's not like the average motorist is an intelligent person/good driver...
YES, we are 100% certain that is a lie!!
It's been discussed before I know, apologies for repeating, but it makes me very angry every time I see the likes of T2000 and SCP's using this lie.
It's a fact, if you take part in any independant poll of the general public (not just motorists or cyclists or car-haters), conducted by Sky news or AOL or any number of News papers or even conduct your own poll at work, the results are consistent.
70 - 80% AGAINST the use of speed cameras!
T2000 and SCP's know that too, hence their need to conduct their own heavily biased surveys amongst their supporters to gain their 70% figure... AKA a manipulated statistic AKA a lie!
If you want to see how these polls get the results they want, the following sketch from "Yes, Prime Minister" seems to sum it up pretty well...
It's called "Commitment Consistency"
>> Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 29th June 23:28
It's called "Commitment Consistency"
Yes Prime Minister said:
The following explanation of "commitment consistency" is taken from the humorous political textbook "The Complete Yes Prime Minister".
Prime Minister James Hacker had been persuaded that reintroducing National Military Service was supported by "the Man In The Street" by an opinion poll conducted by his political party. Sir Humphrey Appleby wanted to persuade the Prime Minister against reintroducing such National Service.
Bernard Wooley recalls being taught by Sir Humphrey Appleby how to manipulate opinion polls using "commitment consistency" as follows:
The secret is that when the Man In The Street is approached by a nice attractive young lady with a clipboard he is asked a series of questions. Naturally the Man In The Street wants to make a good impression and doesn't want to make a fool of himself. So the market researcher asks questions designed to elicit consistent answers.
Humphrey demonstrated the system [that had been used for the Poll conducted by the Party] on me.
"Mr Woolley, are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?"
"Yes," I said.
"Do you think there is a lack of discipline and vigorous training in our Comprehensive Schools?"
"Yes."
"Do you think young people welcome some structure and leadership in their lives?"
"Yes."
"Do they respond to a challenges?"
"Yes."
"Might you be in favour of reintroducing National Service?"
"Yes."
Well, naturally I said yes. One could hardly have said anything else without looking inconsistent. Then what happens is that the Opinion Poll publishes only the last question and answer.
But of course, the reputable polls didn't conduct themselves like that. But there weren't too many of those. Humphrey suggested that we commission a new survey, not for the Party but for the Ministry of Defence. We did so. He invented the questions there and then: '
"Mr Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?"
"Yes," I said, quite honestly.
"Are you unhappy about the growth of armaments?"
"Yes."
"Do you think there is a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?"
"Yes."
"Do you think it wrong to force people to take up arms against their will?"
"Yes."
"Would you oppose the reintroduction of National Service?"
I'd said "Yes" before I'd even realised it, d'you see?
Humphrey was crowing with delight. "You see, Bernard," he said to me "you're the perfect Balanced Sample."
>> Edited by JonRB on Wednesday 29th June 23:28
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