Issued COVID FPN by a police officer

[Electro1980]

MaxFromage said:

blueg33 said:

Because you want to do your job properly. Its called being professional and taking ownership. Many people in private and public sector read around their subject in their spare time, especially the ones who are good at their job

Indeed. This one thinks they already know everything by the sounds of it.

So you think it’s a failing of a person if their employer does not provide them with the training they need to do their job in work time?

[agtlaw]

Red 4 said:

I'm not sure why the op is waiting to receive a fixed penalty notice in the post.
If you refuse a FPN then the next step is for the officer to report you for summons - ie you'll get a summons with a date to appear at Mags.
You lose the right for the matter to be dealt with by FPN and any fine may be higher at Mags plus you'll also be liable for costs (if convicted).
It may not get this far, of course, but unless some forces have a weird and wonderful way of dealing with Coronavirus offences, this is how it works.

FPN review procedure already outlined in the thread.

If court proceedings are instituted then a SJPN is issued rather than a summons to a court hearing.

The fine is unlimited.

Interesting twitter thread from November. By “closed door sessions” he means the Single Justice Procedure:

https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/132376927675...

[blueg33]

Nibbles_bits said:

MaxFromage said:

blueg33 said:

Because you want to do your job properly. Its called being professional and taking ownership. Many people in private and public sector read around their subject in their spare time, especially the ones who are good at their job

Indeed. This one thinks they already know everything by the sounds of it.

Really, that's what you take away from that!

Clearly I don't think I know everything, which is why I've completed 300+ training packages.........all whilst getting paid.

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 27th February 19:52

Me too and I also read around the subject to broaden my knowledge. Training is always aimed at the lowest common denominator.

[MaxFromage]

Electro1980 said:

So you think it’s a failing of a person if their employer does not provide them with the training they need to do their job in work time?

Eh? Nice strawman argument there.

[Nibbles_bits]

Drawweight said:

Nibbles_bits said:

MaxFromage said:

blueg33 said:

Because you want to do your job properly. Its called being professional and taking ownership. Many people in private and public sector read around their subject in their spare time, especially the ones who are good at their job

Indeed. This one thinks they already know everything by the sounds of it.

Really, that's what you take away from that!

Clearly I don't think I know everything, which is why I've completed 300+ training packages.........all whilst getting paid.

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 27th February 19:52

I’m just curious.

Have you had any kind of guidance / training package on dealing with the public regarding COVID-19?

Alternatively have you personally read the Covid 19 legislation. Not the whole thing obviously but the sections that you could find yourself dealing with?

In short no.
The last update we were given was 6 lines of text in a breifing.

The problem is.......what are the sections I could be dealing with??
Referring to an earlier post of mine - I know not wearing a crash helmet is an offence......but under what Legislation??
I'd never dealt with it before or since 🤷🏼‍♂️

[Nibbles_bits]

blueg33 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

MaxFromage said:

blueg33 said:

Because you want to do your job properly. Its called being professional and taking ownership. Many people in private and public sector read around their subject in their spare time, especially the ones who are good at their job

Indeed. This one thinks they already know everything by the sounds of it.

Really, that's what you take away from that!

Clearly I don't think I know everything, which is why I've completed 300+ training packages.........all whilst getting paid.

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 27th February 19:52

Me too and I also read around the subject to broaden my knowledge. Training is always aimed at the lowest common denominator.

I bet you're fun at parties

[XCP]

That's an FPN too is it not?

[blueg33]

Nibbles_bits said:

blueg33 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

MaxFromage said:

blueg33 said:

Because you want to do your job properly. Its called being professional and taking ownership. Many people in private and public sector read around their subject in their spare time, especially the ones who are good at their job

Indeed. This one thinks they already know everything by the sounds of it.

Really, that's what you take away from that!

Clearly I don't think I know everything, which is why I've completed 300+ training packages.........all whilst getting paid.

Edited by Nibbles_bits on Saturday 27th February 19:52

Me too and I also read around the subject to broaden my knowledge. Training is always aimed at the lowest common denominator.

I bet you're fun at parties

I am thanks.

[anonymous-user]

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

[Hugo Stiglitz]

agtlaw said:

FPN review procedure already outlined in the thread.

If court proceedings are instituted then a SJPN is issued rather than a summons to a court hearing.

The fine is unlimited.

Interesting twitter thread from November. By “closed door sessions” he means the Single Justice Procedure:

https://twitter.com/kirkkorner/status/132376927675...

That's not good.

[blueg33]

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

Precisely

Even more so when cock ups are so publicly exposed.

[Greendubber]

blueg33 said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

Precisely

Even more so when cock ups are so publicly exposed.

Don't get thinking that everyone has got it wrong though, the vast majority of officers are doing a perfectly good job, not that you'd think it the way most people are banging about it on here though.

[Nibbles_bits]

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

[blueg33]

Greendubber said:

blueg33 said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

Precisely

Even more so when cock ups are so publicly exposed.

Don't get thinking that everyone has got it wrong though, the vast majority of officers are doing a perfectly good job, not that you'd think it the way most people are banging about it on here though.

I don't think that at all. But the cock ups are high profile and don't do the police or the public any favours

[Pegscratch]

Nibbles_bits said:

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

Do you get paid for your work?
Do you take pride in your work?
Do you want people to see you as a positive influence?
Do you want to make the world a better place?
Do you have time to sit and post ste on an Internet forum?

If you answered yes to the above questions, spending a little time reading up on important subjects that affect your ability to do the first four of the above is a sensible course of action.

If you’re just in it for the pay cheque though and at the end of the day “the failings are cos of the Tories”, carry on.

My employers see me as a positive influence and a massive asset to the team; not because of the training they give me for the subjects that I am expected to specialise in, but instead because of the stuff I seek to learn and improve upon off my own back and in my own time that helps me see a different perspective, that helps me move beyond being simply an “effective worker” into being a real asset. Someone that when I leave a position they genuinely miss. I could as easily blame “leadership”, point out what I’m “paid” to do and sit and get pretty much the same rewards because unsurprisingly in a private sector position they’re not falling over themselves to promote you - but I do it because of who I am.

Edited by Pegscratch on Monday 1st March 09:56

[Greendubber]

blueg33 said:

Greendubber said:

blueg33 said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

Precisely

Even more so when cock ups are so publicly exposed.

Don't get thinking that everyone has got it wrong though, the vast majority of officers are doing a perfectly good job, not that you'd think it the way most people are banging about it on here though.

I don't think that at all. But the cock ups are high profile and don't do the police or the public any favours

No one is saying they do, my eyes couldn't have rolled any further back into my head when I've seen some of the reports in the press such as the Met all going for breakfast and some PC patrolling 'essential items' in supermarkets.

Its important to try and maintain a bit of perspective, something that is often lacking on these pages.

[Pegscratch]

Greendubber said:

No one is saying they do, my eyes couldn't have rolled any further back into my head when I've seen some of the reports in the press such as the Met all going for breakfast and some PC patrolling 'essential items' in supermarkets.

Its important to try and maintain a bit of perspective, something that is often lacking on these pages.

Then let’s stop defending someone who is just rubbish at their job.

[Nibbles_bits]

Pegscratch said:

Nibbles_bits said:

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

Do you get paid for your work?
Do you take pride in your work?
Do you want people to see you as a positive influence?
Do you want to make the world a better place?
Do you have time to sit and post ste on an Internet forum?

If you answered yes to the above questions, spending a little time reading up on important subjects that affect your ability to do the first four of the above is a sensible course of action.

If you’re just in it for the pay cheque though and at the end of the day “the failings are cos of the Tories”, carry on.

My employers see me as a positive influence and a massive asset to the team; not because of the training they give me for the subjects that I am expected to specialise in, but instead because of the stuff I seek to learn and improve upon off my own back and in my own time that helps me see a different perspective, that helps me move beyond being simply an “effective worker” into being a real asset. Someone that when I leave a position they genuinely miss. I could as easily blame “leadership”, point out what I’m “paid” to do and sit and get pretty much the same rewards because unsurprisingly in a private sector position they’re not falling over themselves to promote you - but I do it because of who I am.

Edited by Pegscratch on Monday 1st March 09:56

I'm in it to lock up criminals.
Not babysit people who don't give a **** about this virus.

I have absolute discretion on how I deal with someone, and as I have no intention of issuing a Covid FPN........why would I read up on it?

Spend time with my family or read about work.......bit of a no brainer.

[Greendubber]

Pegscratch said:

Greendubber said:

No one is saying they do, my eyes couldn't have rolled any further back into my head when I've seen some of the reports in the press such as the Met all going for breakfast and some PC patrolling 'essential items' in supermarkets.

Its important to try and maintain a bit of perspective, something that is often lacking on these pages.

Then let’s stop defending someone who is just rubbish at their job.

Calm yourself down.


They might be, they might not be (we only have the OPs account) The point being made which you seem to have great difficulty grasping is that the police have had this dumped on them. Don't ticket anyone, now we want you to ticket them, st guidance from above, crap training (if any) a workforce that's depleted and an ever increasing pile of daily business stacking up. There have been over 100 changes to it all since it started. Its no great shock some people will get it wrong as we've already seen. I did 19 hours (not uncommon at all) at work yesterday, the last thing I'll be doing is training at home thank you very much.

If someone makes a mistake they're rubbish at every aspect of their job? I can only presume you're perfect in every single way.

[Greendubber]

Nibbles_bits said:

Pegscratch said:

Nibbles_bits said:

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

Do you get paid for your work?
Do you take pride in your work?
Do you want people to see you as a positive influence?
Do you want to make the world a better place?
Do you have time to sit and post ste on an Internet forum?

If you answered yes to the above questions, spending a little time reading up on important subjects that affect your ability to do the first four of the above is a sensible course of action.

If you’re just in it for the pay cheque though and at the end of the day “the failings are cos of the Tories”, carry on.

My employers see me as a positive influence and a massive asset to the team; not because of the training they give me for the subjects that I am expected to specialise in, but instead because of the stuff I seek to learn and improve upon off my own back and in my own time that helps me see a different perspective, that helps me move beyond being simply an “effective worker” into being a real asset. Someone that when I leave a position they genuinely miss. I could as easily blame “leadership”, point out what I’m “paid” to do and sit and get pretty much the same rewards because unsurprisingly in a private sector position they’re not falling over themselves to promote you - but I do it because of who I am.

Edited by Pegscratch on Monday 1st March 09:56

I'm in it to lock up criminals.
Not babysit people who don't give a **** about this virus.

I have absolute discretion on how I deal with someone, and as I have no intention of issuing a Covid FPN........why would I read up on it?

Spend time with my family or read about work.......bit of a no brainer.

Probably better than reading some of the absolute crap that's on here to be honest.