Issued COVID FPN by a police officer

[Ntv]

You broke no law

Go to court and you’ll be fine.

[Greendubber]

Ntv said:

You broke no law

Go to court and you’ll be fine.

I'm sure it won't even go that far to be honest.

[Nibbles_bits]

Greendubber said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Pegscratch said:

Nibbles_bits said:

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

Do you get paid for your work?
Do you take pride in your work?
Do you want people to see you as a positive influence?
Do you want to make the world a better place?
Do you have time to sit and post ste on an Internet forum?

If you answered yes to the above questions, spending a little time reading up on important subjects that affect your ability to do the first four of the above is a sensible course of action.

If you’re just in it for the pay cheque though and at the end of the day “the failings are cos of the Tories”, carry on.

My employers see me as a positive influence and a massive asset to the team; not because of the training they give me for the subjects that I am expected to specialise in, but instead because of the stuff I seek to learn and improve upon off my own back and in my own time that helps me see a different perspective, that helps me move beyond being simply an “effective worker” into being a real asset. Someone that when I leave a position they genuinely miss. I could as easily blame “leadership”, point out what I’m “paid” to do and sit and get pretty much the same rewards because unsurprisingly in a private sector position they’re not falling over themselves to promote you - but I do it because of who I am.

Edited by Pegscratch on Monday 1st March 09:56

I'm in it to lock up criminals.
Not babysit people who don't give a **** about this virus.

I have absolute discretion on how I deal with someone, and as I have no intention of issuing a Covid FPN........why would I read up on it?

Spend time with my family or read about work.......bit of a no brainer.

Probably better than reading some of the absolute crap that's on here to be honest.

Hehe.

[Nibbles_bits]

Where some might be irreplaceable in their job, I'm not.
I'm just a number.

The next probationer will have all the skills I have soon after joining.

I'll be off to which ever department I go to, where I'll just be a number there too.

[anonymous-user]

Nibbles_bits said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

I did it all entirely in my own time, like a lot of the CPD I do

[Nibbles_bits]

MonkeyMatt said:

Nibbles_bits said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

That's fine, if you get given the time to sit down and read it.
Or, as someone else posted you're in a position to give and take a little ie coming into work a little late, and balancing that out by working a little late occasionally.......but that's not an option in the Police.

I did it all entirely in my own time, like a lot of the CPD I do

We have extended shifts for CPD.

[NGee]

Nibbles_bits said:

Spend time with my family or read about work.......bit of a no brainer.

But that is the whole point. You ARE reading (and writing) about work, just in a st, waste of time way.
Why not use the time a bit more constructively?

Maybe then you won't just become a number at work.

[Greendubber]

Nibbles_bits said:

Where some might be irreplaceable in their job, I'm not.
I'm just a number.

The next probationer will have all the skills I have soon after joining.

I'll be off to which ever department I go to, where I'll just be a number there too.

How long have you got in out of interest?

[Pegscratch]

NGee said:

But that is the whole point. You ARE reading (and writing) about work, just in a st, waste of time way.
Why not use the time a bit more constructively?

Maybe then you won't just become a number at work.

Some people are beyond education; I guess we just found them.

Constant bewilderment at these poor little darlings that think they’re the only people who have to work for a living. Never seen such contempt for the people they are there to serve.

[Pothole]

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

You haven't even taken the time in the last however many decades to learn the difference between effect and affect so you don't really have a leg to stand on in those terms. (Or to learn how to spell bizarre, for that matter.) Not as if it takes very long.

[Pegscratch]

Nibbles_bits said:

Where some might be irreplaceable in their job, I'm not.
I'm just a number.

The next probationer will have all the skills I have soon after joining.

I'll be off to which ever department I go to, where I'll just be a number there too.

You’re just a number because by the sounds of it you apply zero effort over and above that which is required by your employer. That’s one way to live but you certainly shouldn’t be surprised when people call it out.

[Pothole]

Pegscratch said:

Never seen such contempt for the people they are there to serve.

Perhaps you could phrase that in less contemptuous terms. Police officers serve the crown.

PolFed and others said:

...officers are not employees, they
are not agents of the police force, police
authority or government. Those who hold
the Office of Constable are servants of the
Crown.

[Pegscratch]

Greendubber said:

Calm yourself down.


They might be, they might not be (we only have the OPs account) The point being made which you seem to have great difficulty grasping is that the police have had this dumped on them. Don't ticket anyone, now we want you to ticket them, st guidance from above, crap training (if any) a workforce that's depleted and an ever increasing pile of daily business stacking up. There have been over 100 changes to it all since it started. Its no great shock some people will get it wrong as we've already seen. I did 19 hours (not uncommon at all) at work yesterday, the last thing I'll be doing is training at home thank you very much.

If someone makes a mistake they're rubbish at every aspect of their job? I can only presume you're perfect in every single way.

Welcome to every job in just about every sector in just about every industry. You are not the only place on earth that is being asked to do far more with far less; only two years ago I was working somewhere that made 30% of it’s workforce redundant because they needed to save 30% on the overtime bill, and unsurprisingly it didn’t change the overtime bill because it just meant more work that had to be done by fewer people. People were accruing 110-130 hours of overtime in a month on top of 37.5 hour working weeks plus an hour or two of unclaimable overtime each day because you weren’t permitted to claim for certain hours owing to a demand to “flexibly” work starting later (which couldn’t happen) to finish later.

Not police, nothing special but it is a pattern that repeats everywhere. It is why when you say how you’re being asked to do more with less you get zero sympathy - because it is a universal trend. It is wrong, it isn’t fair but it is not exclusive to anyone.

[Pegscratch]

Pothole said:

Pegscratch said:

Never seen such contempt for the people they are there to serve.

Perhaps you could phrase that in less contemptuous terms. Police officers serve the crown.

PolFed and others said:

...officers are not employees, they
are not agents of the police force, police
authority or government. Those who hold
the Office of Constable are servants of the
Crown.

Tried to find something but ultimately “crown servant” boils down to serving the public; just not reportable or accountable to them directly.

[Pothole]

Pegscratch said:

Greendubber said:

Calm yourself down.


They might be, they might not be (we only have the OPs account) The point being made which you seem to have great difficulty grasping is that the police have had this dumped on them. Don't ticket anyone, now we want you to ticket them, st guidance from above, crap training (if any) a workforce that's depleted and an ever increasing pile of daily business stacking up. There have been over 100 changes to it all since it started. Its no great shock some people will get it wrong as we've already seen. I did 19 hours (not uncommon at all) at work yesterday, the last thing I'll be doing is training at home thank you very much.

If someone makes a mistake they're rubbish at every aspect of their job? I can only presume you're perfect in every single way.

Welcome to every job in just about every sector in just about every industry. You are not the only place on earth that is being asked to do far more with far less; only two years ago I was working somewhere that made 30% of it’s workforce redundant because they needed to save 30% on the overtime bill, and unsurprisingly it didn’t change the overtime bill because it just meant more work that had to be done by fewer people. People were accruing 110-130 hours of overtime in a month on top of 37.5 hour working weeks plus an hour or two of unclaimable overtime each day because you weren’t permitted to claim for certain hours owing to a demand to “flexibly” work starting later (which couldn’t happen) to finish later.

Not police, nothing special but it is a pattern that repeats everywhere. It is why when you say how you’re being asked to do more with less you get zero sympathy - because it is a universal trend. It is wrong, it isn’t fair but it is not exclusive to anyone.

I can pretty much guarantee that none of your colleagues were routinely sworn at, spat at, physically assaulted, asked to tell parents their child was dead, slagged off in the news media and online, whined at for daring to take a break to eat something during their twelve hour shift, pointed out to small children as something to be scared of, expected to be utterly perfect in every single thing they do etc etc etc....or were they?

Whatever you would like to tell yourself, he job of a frontline officer is very different from other "industries".

There are millions of interactions between police officers and members of the public every year which occur without issue. MILLIONS. If every PHer could cite 10 different ones a year with issues, as a percentage of the whole it would still be a tiny number, wouldn't it? Ease up a bit, unless you are yourself a paragon of virtue, eh?

[Greendubber]

Pegscratch said:

Greendubber said:

Calm yourself down.


They might be, they might not be (we only have the OPs account) The point being made which you seem to have great difficulty grasping is that the police have had this dumped on them. Don't ticket anyone, now we want you to ticket them, st guidance from above, crap training (if any) a workforce that's depleted and an ever increasing pile of daily business stacking up. There have been over 100 changes to it all since it started. Its no great shock some people will get it wrong as we've already seen. I did 19 hours (not uncommon at all) at work yesterday, the last thing I'll be doing is training at home thank you very much.

If someone makes a mistake they're rubbish at every aspect of their job? I can only presume you're perfect in every single way.

Welcome to every job in just about every sector in just about every industry. You are not the only place on earth that is being asked to do far more with far less; only two years ago I was working somewhere that made 30% of it’s workforce redundant because they needed to save 30% on the overtime bill, and unsurprisingly it didn’t change the overtime bill because it just meant more work that had to be done by fewer people. People were accruing 110-130 hours of overtime in a month on top of 37.5 hour working weeks plus an hour or two of unclaimable overtime each day because you weren’t permitted to claim for certain hours owing to a demand to “flexibly” work starting later (which couldn’t happen) to finish later.

Not police, nothing special but it is a pattern that repeats everywhere. It is why when you say how you’re being asked to do more with less you get zero sympathy - because it is a universal trend. It is wrong, it isn’t fair but it is not exclusive to anyone.

I didn't say the police were the only ones but your hard on for arguing every single point is possibly clouding your judgement.

Its st everywhere, I'm simply pointing out why its crap for the police and why the gaping cracks have appeared as that's my bread and butter. Do more with less and this is what you get.

[Pegscratch]

I don’t doubt that; but you can’t have joined the police and been surprised by what you have to contend with on a day to day basis surely?

[Greendubber]

Pothole said:

Pegscratch said:

Greendubber said:

Calm yourself down.


They might be, they might not be (we only have the OPs account) The point being made which you seem to have great difficulty grasping is that the police have had this dumped on them. Don't ticket anyone, now we want you to ticket them, st guidance from above, crap training (if any) a workforce that's depleted and an ever increasing pile of daily business stacking up. There have been over 100 changes to it all since it started. Its no great shock some people will get it wrong as we've already seen. I did 19 hours (not uncommon at all) at work yesterday, the last thing I'll be doing is training at home thank you very much.

If someone makes a mistake they're rubbish at every aspect of their job? I can only presume you're perfect in every single way.

Welcome to every job in just about every sector in just about every industry. You are not the only place on earth that is being asked to do far more with far less; only two years ago I was working somewhere that made 30% of it’s workforce redundant because they needed to save 30% on the overtime bill, and unsurprisingly it didn’t change the overtime bill because it just meant more work that had to be done by fewer people. People were accruing 110-130 hours of overtime in a month on top of 37.5 hour working weeks plus an hour or two of unclaimable overtime each day because you weren’t permitted to claim for certain hours owing to a demand to “flexibly” work starting later (which couldn’t happen) to finish later.

Not police, nothing special but it is a pattern that repeats everywhere. It is why when you say how you’re being asked to do more with less you get zero sympathy - because it is a universal trend. It is wrong, it isn’t fair but it is not exclusive to anyone.

I can pretty much guarantee that none of your colleagues were routinely sworn at, spat at, physically assaulted, asked to tell parents their child was dead, slagged off in the news media and online, whined at for daring to take a break to eat something during their twelve hour shift, pointed out to small children as something to be scared of, expected to be utterly perfect in every single thing they do etc etc etc....or were they?

Whatever you would like to tell yourself, he job of a frontline officer is very different from other "industries".

There are millions of interactions between police officers and members of the public every year which occur without issue. MILLIONS. If every PHer could cite 10 different ones a year with issues, as a percentage of the whole it would still be a tiny number, wouldn't it? Ease up a bit, unless you are yourself a paragon of virtue, eh?

Yep.

[Pothole]

Pegscratch said:

I don’t doubt that; but you can’t have joined the police and been surprised by that surely?

Not being surprised by something doesn't mean it stops existing or affecting people. Does it?

[Greendubber]

Pothole said:

Pegscratch said:

I don’t doubt that; but you can’t have joined the police and been surprised by that surely?

Not being surprised by something doesn't mean it stops existing or affecting people. Does it?

Hey, I knew I'd probably have to peel a dead toddler off the bottom of a bin lorry at some point. Totally negates any trauma of bad feeling knowing I might have to do it when i was pulling clumps of her scalp off the chassis and putting them into a bag and picking her teeth and jaw out of the road.