Issued COVID FPN by a police officer

[anonymous-user]

Pothole said:

MonkeyMatt said:

I find it bizzare that people directly involved in law enforcement haven't taken the time to personally read up on the covid regulations and taken the time to understand what they mean! My industry and what I do personally are both effected by by the legislation so I sat down and read them, no one asked or told me too, just seemed like common sense to do so. Not as if it takes very long to skim through the relevant bits

You haven't even taken the time in the last however many decades to learn the difference between effect and affect so you don't really have a leg to stand on in those terms. (Or to learn how to spell bizarre, for that matter.) Not as if it takes very long.

Typed it a bit late last night, although I'm not really sure what any of that has to do with the point I was making?

[Pegscratch]

Pothole said:

Not being surprised by something doesn't mean it stops existing or affecting people. Does it?

Then complain about the things that deserve to be complained about? You don’t stand in front of starving kids complaining about the garbage your partner served you, and don’t stand in a forum full of folks that have also had their lives upended by Coronavirus to complain about the change it’s inflicting on you, especially when it’s being done to defend someone issuing a ticket to someone who is enjoying one of the precious freedoms we still retain at this point.

What has got everyone’s backs up is that it’s everyone else’s fault other than the officer who issued it, whilst quite publicly demonstrating why it really isn’t beyond the realms of possibility for it to be completely avoidable by just taking some of that professional pride home like so many others in the world.

[Greendubber]

Pegscratch said:

Pothole said:

Not being surprised by something doesn't mean it stops existing or affecting people. Does it?

Then complain about the things that deserve to be complained about? You don’t stand in front of starving kids complaining about the garbage your partner served you, and don’t stand in a forum full of folks that have also had their lives upended by Coronavirus to complain about the change it’s inflicting on you, especially when it’s being done to defend someone issuing a ticket to someone who is enjoying one of the precious freedoms we still retain at this point.

What has got everyone’s backs up is that it’s everyone else’s fault other than the officer who issued it, whilst quite publicly demonstrating why it really isn’t beyond the realms of possibility for it to be completely avoidable by just taking some of that professional pride home like so many others in the world.

I think not being given sufficient time to be correctly trained is well worth complaining about to be honest. The OP could be a direct result of someone just being put on some BS 'task force' and being told to go and deal with something they don't have the foggiest idea about.

[Nibbles_bits]

NGee said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Spend time with my family or read about work.......bit of a no brainer.

But that is the whole point. You ARE reading (and writing) about work, just in a st, waste of time way.
Why not use the time a bit more constructively?

Maybe then you won't just become a number at work.

As I said, it doesn't matter how much I learn, how many courses I do, how much of my time I give up, I'll only ever be just a number.

People might enjoy reading up on work, but I don't.

And if we were all the same, it would be boring.

[Nibbles_bits]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

Greendubber said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Where some might be irreplaceable in their job, I'm not.
I'm just a number.

The next probationer will have all the skills I have soon after joining.

I'll be off to which ever department I go to, where I'll just be a number there too.

How long have you got in out of interest?

In every job you get a section that never really applied themselves. Somehow got in then just did the beat and is now sat in an office again doing nothing but the bare minimum and getting 40k a year until they retire.

They like to moan, tell people about their pension and say how the job isn't what it used to be etc.

Utterly useless types.

Yep.

It's never surprising to learn you've got more experience at the pointy end of policing, than someone who's been in twice as long as you.

You can tell who those Officers are......they want to "specialise" as soon as they're out of probation.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

I used to shadow one officer on nights making sure I was not far away. Very unsure of even his own shadow and as soon as he hit 2 yrs he was off to a specialist unit!

[blueg33]

Nibbles_bits said:

NGee said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Spend time with my family or read about work.......bit of a no brainer.

But that is the whole point. You ARE reading (and writing) about work, just in a st, waste of time way.
Why not use the time a bit more constructively?

Maybe then you won't just become a number at work.

As I said, it doesn't matter how much I learn, how many courses I do, how much of my time I give up, I'll only ever be just a number.

People might enjoy reading up on work, but I don't.

And if we were all the same, it would be boring.

You only stand out by excelling, you dont excell if you dont do your homework.

Thats fine the world needs workers who dont want to be the boss, but I do struggle with the concept of not doing homework

[Nibbles_bits]

You only stand out by excelling, you dont excell if you dont do your homework.

Thats fine the world needs workers who dont want to be the boss, but I do struggle with the concept of not doing homework



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Regardless of how much I excell, it changes nothing in this job.

I've seen someone get a job, without any of the skills required....... I'm sure that person living with the team leader had absolutely nothing to do with it!

[blueg33]

Nepotism is alive and well everywhere, but you dont beat it by giving up.

Each to his own, but I like to do a job to the best of my ability and make sure that I have the knowledge to do that, so i really struggle with the approach that says "its not down to me"

Responsibility and ownership = results

[Pegscratch]

Nibbles_bits said:

Regardless of how much I excell, it changes nothing in this job.

I absolutely, emphatically disagree. If every interaction you have with someone is from a more informed, more learned position then the people you interact with come away with a far more positive feeling. I completely understand that once everything gets handed over to the rest of the justice system you lose control of that but my last three interactions with police directly have been utterly useless as a direct result of the officer managing to give the impression that they aren’t actually that bothered, a view furthered by “well they don’t give us time to learn about stuff that made national news, so why should I care”.

I’m not the one standing there blaming the police when Gary from Hanley gets a two month suspended sentence for uninsured dangerous driving of a stolen vehicle after already being known to the police, I’m the one asking where the hell the professionalism and pride is when details are taken for a dog attack and 7 weeks later nothing has been said, not even a token “it’s going nowhere, I’m sure you’ll feel disappointed and me too”.

[Nibbles_bits]

blueg33 said:

Nepotism is alive and well everywhere, but you dont beat it by giving up.

Each to his own, but I like to do a job to the best of my ability and make sure that I have the knowledge to do that, so i really struggle with the approach that says "its not down to me"

Responsibility and ownership = results

I like the mantra "What would your nan want you to do?"

Would my nan rather I issue an FPN or issue words of advice?

Responsibility and ownership = results (except when it doesn't).

[Lonely]

Greendubber said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Where some might be irreplaceable in their job, I'm not.
I'm just a number.

The next probationer will have all the skills I have soon after joining.

I'll be off to which ever department I go to, where I'll just be a number there too.

How long have you got in out of interest?

Don't think we got an answer to this question. If you would care to oblige it would be interesting to help us understand why you sound so disillusioned with your job. Maybe you should consider leaving and finding something more appropriate. You are coming across as if you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

[Bigends]

Lonely said:

Greendubber said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Where some might be irreplaceable in their job, I'm not.
I'm just a number.

The next probationer will have all the skills I have soon after joining.

I'll be off to which ever department I go to, where I'll just be a number there too.

How long have you got in out of interest?

Don't think we got an answer to this question. If you would care to oblige it would be interesting to help us understand why you sound so disillusioned with your job. Maybe you should consider leaving and finding something more appropriate. You are coming across as if you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

Agreed - not sure I ever felt like that in all of my time

Edited by Bigends on Monday 1st March 14:49

[Nibbles_bits]

Top pay scale.

And if doing the job because I want to lock criminals up and protect the vulnerable are the "wrong reasons".........then maybe I am in the wrong job.

[Gooly]

Greendubber said:

I think not being given sufficient time to be correctly trained is well worth complaining about to be honest. The OP could be a direct result of someone just being put on some BS 'task force' and being told to go and deal with something they don't have the foggiest idea about.

Don't give out a bloody FPN then and be completely dismissive of the relevant legislation when presented??? You guys seem to have plenty of time to conjure up absurd mental gymnastics to justify bloody-minded incompetence, why don't you use that time to learn an exceedingly simple bit of legislation for an exceedingly well publicised and exceedingly prevalent policing issue? Yes, the police has been hit hard. No, that isn't an excuse for giving out unlawful FPNs. It's very simple and the more you try to argue otherwise the less convincing you sound.

Edited by Gooly on Monday 1st March 15:15

[Nibbles_bits]

Pegscratch said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Regardless of how much I excell, it changes nothing in this job.

I absolutely, emphatically disagree. If every interaction you have with someone is from a more informed, more learned position then the people you interact with come away with a far more positive feeling. I completely understand that once everything gets handed over to the rest of the justice system you lose control of that but my last three interactions with police directly have been utterly useless as a direct result of the officer managing to give the impression that they aren’t actually that bothered, a view furthered by “well they don’t give us time to learn about stuff that made national news, so why should I care”.

I’m not the one standing there blaming the police when Gary from Hanley gets a two month suspended sentence for uninsured dangerous driving of a stolen vehicle after already being known to the police, I’m the one asking where the hell the professionalism and pride is when details are taken for a dog attack and 7 weeks later nothing has been said, not even a token “it’s going nowhere, I’m sure you’ll feel disappointed and me too”.

The thing is - I have anonymity on here.
We might well have met before.

I'm by no means the worst at my job. I could tell you a few stories about sh** Officers.

I've worked 18hr shifts, not because of the money, but because the victim deserves the service.

Basing my professionalism on my unwillingness to learn some temporary legislation that I have no intention of issuing an a FPN for isn't fair.

The reason I have no intention of issuing an Covid FPN - because it feels immoral given that I probably break some of the rules every working day. Not because of my occupation, but because I work for the Police.

The reason you don't hear from the Officer, is because they've gone off self isolating, and no one has bothered to check their work load (for example).

[blueg33]

Nibbles_bits said:

Top pay scale.

And if doing the job because I want to lock criminals up and protect the vulnerable are the "wrong reasons".........then maybe I am in the wrong job.

Exactly the right reason IMO, and as a member of the public I thank you for it. But its a shame that you are disillusioned and that you don't see a route to step up and feel that the young bloods can match you.

IMO lack of years but enthusiasm doesn't replace experience (I would say that because I am getting on), but I enjoy mentoring and bringing the young bright guys and girls who will be paying my pension in future.

[tony wright]

Slightly off topic but, I was out cycling the other day and ended up along the side of Blyth wooden docks. There were at least four guys fishing and seemed as though they were from different households as cars (with boots open) were directly behind their fishing equipment. I only mention it as at the time all four were stood closely together in a small group having a chat and had me wondering if they were actually breaking any rules as fishing is allowed and if they could be fined if a policeman came past? Mainly peed me off as I’m not allowed to play golf and their actions seemed much worse than me and my mate walking around a golf course.

[Lonely]

blueg33 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Top pay scale.

And if doing the job because I want to lock criminals up and protect the vulnerable are the "wrong reasons".........then maybe I am in the wrong job.

Exactly the right reason IMO, and as a member of the public I thank you for it. But its a shame that you are disillusioned and that you don't see a route to step up and feel that the young bloods can match you.

IMO lack of years but enthusiasm doesn't replace experience (I would say that because I am getting on), but I enjoy mentoring and bringing the young bright guys and girls who will be paying my pension in future.

Yes Nibbles - that's fine, but you clearly must realise the criminal side of policing is only one small part. You can be called upon to deal with anything and everything. Thinking of yourself as just a number comes across as having no pride in the respected position you hold. Maybe it would have sounded better if written in a more positive way - e.g. I know I give 100% as often as I can and hope I provide a decent service. How I deal with individuals at each interaction will be determined accordingly. Rather than I'm not learning about Covid FPN's because I won't be issuing them and I'm just a number.

I can hope you're most positive than you're coming across.

[Nibbles_bits]

blueg33 said:

Nibbles_bits said:

Top pay scale.

And if doing the job because I want to lock criminals up and protect the vulnerable are the "wrong reasons".........then maybe I am in the wrong job.

Exactly the right reason IMO, and as a member of the public I thank you for it. But its a shame that you are disillusioned and that you don't see a route to step up and feel that the young bloods can match you.

IMO lack of years but enthusiasm doesn't replace experience (I would say that because I am getting on), but I enjoy mentoring and bringing the young bright guys and girls who will be paying my pension in future.

"Some" of the young bloods can match me. There are some that you wonder how they get dressed in the morning.

Mentoring - I thought about that route.......but negative experiences put me off.

2019/2020 was the best time to join the Police....... before Covid. Let's just hope it gets back to that point quickly.