Issued COVID FPN by a police officer
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Nibbles_bits said:
I was going to add - and it's not just during Covid. But I didn't think it would be necessary.
I could give you countless examples of calls to the Police that a) aren't a Police matter but no other agency has the resources to deal with
b) aren't a Police matter at all
c) aren't a Police matter, but the agency that deals with it is 9-5
d) have been exaggerated to get a quicker response
e) are just to use us a weapon in a hostile relationship
f) are from someone who can't be bothered to do something, and wants the Police to do it.
Not to mention the "customers" who know how to play the system, taking up resources.
999 calls are a prioritised, but sometimes due to the above, there just aren't any Officers to go.
Someone Specialist Units will attend in place of a 'local' unit, but they're very rarely in a position to retain it.
See. A useful contribution that isn't just a "that isn't what happens". Something useful to understand what is faced.I could give you countless examples of calls to the Police that a) aren't a Police matter but no other agency has the resources to deal with
b) aren't a Police matter at all
c) aren't a Police matter, but the agency that deals with it is 9-5
d) have been exaggerated to get a quicker response
e) are just to use us a weapon in a hostile relationship
f) are from someone who can't be bothered to do something, and wants the Police to do it.
Not to mention the "customers" who know how to play the system, taking up resources.
999 calls are a prioritised, but sometimes due to the above, there just aren't any Officers to go.
Someone Specialist Units will attend in place of a 'local' unit, but they're very rarely in a position to retain it.
Thanks Nibbles for the time to share that. How is it that the police get lumbered with stuff then that sit under a) and b)? Surely if "not my job" applies to them, "not my job" applies to you? I can kind of see why c) might be more of a grey area but still if it's someone else's job 9-5 how is it your problem outside of that?
Pegscratch said:
Greendubber said:
So far off the mark.
Why don't you simply phone up and enquire about your dog job and ask of there is an update instead of grinding axes?
Just one example. Why is it then so easy for fleets of police vehicles to be out dealing with COVID calls and other "trivia" that most officers here seem to think shouldn't really be a priority, rather than longer, more challenging investigations?Why don't you simply phone up and enquire about your dog job and ask of there is an update instead of grinding axes?
You piss on anything anyone else says, but have f
k all useful to contribute it seems. Perhaps contribute something then, why is the above the case as far as anyone can see?I've given up explaining things to you as you don't see it from any other perspective, you've spent most of this thread telling people doing the job just how wrong they are when in fact its you just spouting what you think you know about it. Which is f&ck all on the face of it.
Pegscratch said:
Greendubber said:
So far off the mark.
Why don't you simply phone up and enquire about your dog job and ask of there is an update instead of grinding axes?
Just one example. Why is it then so easy for fleets of police vehicles to be out dealing with COVID calls and other "trivia" that most officers here seem to think shouldn't really be a priority, rather than longer, more challenging investigations?Why don't you simply phone up and enquire about your dog job and ask of there is an update instead of grinding axes?
You piss on anything anyone else says, but have f
k all useful to contribute it seems. Perhaps contribute something then, why is the above the case as far as anyone can see?You could try contributing to your own knowledge instead of assuming that "the police" don't care about your issue and assuming that's the sole reason it hasn't been resolved to your satisfaction.
Greendubber said:
Fleets of vehicles aren't dealing with COVID calls though are they, you think they are as it suits your narrative but they simply aren't. A very small, almost minute proportion of police are having anything to do with COVID as everything else still takes priority.
I'm out doing my permitted exercise three times a day, six days a week and I see them doing very little else. Granted, some of it is likely to be the echo chamber of negativity that usually follows a lack of action on various issues but it is not just me that has more "traditional" police matters being ignored or dealt with exceptionally slowly with the excuses given when calling to find out of "we have a lot of officers enforcing current Coronavirus restrictions so non-emergency matters are taking longer".Tell me what the juddering f
k I'm supposed to take from that other than "it's more important that we go get a few hundred quids off people ignoring rules we don't understand".Pothole said:
You could try contributing to your own knowledge instead of assuming that "the police" don't care about your issue and assuming that's the sole reason it hasn't been resolved to your satisfaction.
I'm in a forum with a number of self proclaimed plod who so far have spent days arguing that it's the service's fault they can't be doing with sitting at home learning in their downtime like many other professions. Surgeons, doctors, technologists, engineers all of whom write papers and studies OFF their employer's time to further themselves, their career or society.I've asked a few times now and so far only Nibbles has given an explanation of why, and you've said that the people dealing with these don't set the priorities. Who does? Who sets that the officers are to not progress certain issues, and how is that criteria met? When you're dealing with "a job", at what point do you say to yourself "I can't deal with this, we've been told not to spend time on it"?
Pegscratch said:
Greendubber said:
Fleets of vehicles aren't dealing with COVID calls though are they, you think they are as it suits your narrative but they simply aren't. A very small, almost minute proportion of police are having anything to do with COVID as everything else still takes priority.
I'm out doing my permitted exercise three times a day, six days a week and I see them doing very little else. Granted, some of it is likely to be the echo chamber of negativity that usually follows a lack of action on various issues but it is not just me that has more "traditional" police matters being ignored or dealt with exceptionally slowly with the excuses given when calling to find out of "we have a lot of officers enforcing current Coronavirus restrictions so non-emergency matters are taking longer".Tell me what the juddering f
k I'm supposed to take from that other than "it's more important that we go get a few hundred quids off people ignoring rules we don't understand".If you honestly think that CID, public protection units, investigation teams, firearms, dog handlers, support units and everyone else are out having anything to do with COVID you're on another planet.
Pegscratch said:
I'm in a forum with a number of self proclaimed plod who so far have spent days arguing that it's the service's fault they can't be doing with sitting at home learning in their downtime like many other professions. Surgeons, doctors, technologists, engineers all of whom write papers and studies OFF their employer's time to further themselves, their career or society.
I've asked a few times now and so far only Nibbles has given an explanation of why, and you've said that the people dealing with these don't set the priorities. Who does? Who sets that the officers are to not progress certain issues, and how is that criteria met? When you're dealing with "a job", at what point do you say to yourself "I can't deal with this, we've been told not to spend time on it"?
Who do you think does?I've asked a few times now and so far only Nibbles has given an explanation of why, and you've said that the people dealing with these don't set the priorities. Who does? Who sets that the officers are to not progress certain issues, and how is that criteria met? When you're dealing with "a job", at what point do you say to yourself "I can't deal with this, we've been told not to spend time on it"?
Greendubber said:
If you honestly think that CID, public protection units, investigation teams, firearms, dog handlers, support units and everyone else are out having anything to do with COVID you're on another planet.
I don't, but when three of us with different and unrelated issues that are "non-emergency" and taking months to progress call up to find out why it's taking to so long to progress anything, staff dealing with enforcement of coronavirus restrictions is the excuse given - every time. Now, I can turn around and say "you're talking st, come off it, what's the real excuse" or I can take a "respected officer" at their word and be utterly bemused how this is the only thing the police have time to deal with.Throw in a good number of media reports of overzealous policing and a subjectively disproportionate number of social media users complaining about being dealt with heavy handedly, which one sits better? Calling the plod a liar and ignoring everything else that suggests they're being honest, or accepting them at their word?
Pegscratch said:
Greendubber said:
If you honestly think that CID, public protection units, investigation teams, firearms, dog handlers, support units and everyone else are out having anything to do with COVID you're on another planet.
I don't, but when three of us with different and unrelated issues that are "non-emergency" and taking months to progress call up to find out why it's taking to so long to progress anything, staff dealing with enforcement of coronavirus restrictions is the excuse given - every time. Now, I can turn around and say "you're talking st, come off it, what's the real excuse" or I can take a "respected officer" at their word and be utterly bemused how this is the only thing the police have time to deal with.Throw in a good number of media reports of overzealous policing and a subjectively disproportionate number of social media users complaining about being dealt with heavy handedly, which one sits better? Calling the plod a liar and ignoring everything else that suggests they're being honest, or accepting them at their word?
Which force are you phoning that's telling you investigations are being stopped to use the staff for Covid related work?
Pegscratch said:
Just one example. Why is it then so easy for fleets of police vehicles to be out dealing with COVID calls and other "trivia" that most officers here seem to think shouldn't really be a priority, rather than longer, more challenging investigations?
You piss on anything anyone else says, but have fk all useful to contribute it seems. Perhaps contribute something then, why is the above the case as far as anyone can see?
Hardly a fleet of vehicles......but that's not my argument.You piss on anything anyone else says, but have f
k all useful to contribute it seems. Perhaps contribute something then, why is the above the case as far as anyone can see?The more challenging investigations are held up dealing with Covid calls and other "trivia" calls that AREN'T a priority.
The solution is 1 investigation per Officer until it's completed.......but never going to happen.
Unfortunately an investigation will take as long as it takes.
Greendubber said:
Ignoring the first part of my last post I see, be sure to get some pictures of all this enforcement you're seeing 3 times a day or we'll all just treat it as noise that means nothing.
Which force are you phoning that's telling you investigations are being stopped to use the staff for Covid related work?
Not stopped, 'progressing slowly'.Which force are you phoning that's telling you investigations are being stopped to use the staff for Covid related work?
Derbyshire.
Pegscratch said:
Now deal with it in context...
If you're unhappy with the service you're getting, your local force's website has an easy way for you to make a complaint about it. It's utterly ridiculous to expect me to explain what the specific issue is with something you've reported.Nibbles_bits said:
Hardly a fleet of vehicles......but that's not my argument.
The more challenging investigations are held up dealing with Covid calls and other "trivia" calls that AREN'T a priority.
The solution is 1 investigation per Officer until it's completed.......but never going to happen.
Unfortunately an investigation will take as long as it takes.
Again, thank you. I'm sure I'm coming across unreasonable because I'm fed up of hearing this bloody virus and the mess associated with it being used as an excuse for everything from slow police investigations to delays dealing with standard building works whilst the vast majority of people seem to be able to get on with some form or normality, but I'm not entirely unreasonable just like "all" of the police aren't out dealing with Coronavirus rubbish.The more challenging investigations are held up dealing with Covid calls and other "trivia" calls that AREN'T a priority.
The solution is 1 investigation per Officer until it's completed.......but never going to happen.
Unfortunately an investigation will take as long as it takes.
In response to the questions about how much I see of them, my exercise involves around 5 miles of jogging or cycling, three times a day over a varied route. Because of where we are, I'll see 10-15 vehicles some trips out. No, I've no idea what they're doing, but a couple have tried to educate me on how I can only exercise once a day.
Pegscratch said:
Nibbles_bits said:
Hardly a fleet of vehicles......but that's not my argument.
The more challenging investigations are held up dealing with Covid calls and other "trivia" calls that AREN'T a priority.
The solution is 1 investigation per Officer until it's completed.......but never going to happen.
Unfortunately an investigation will take as long as it takes.
Again, thank you. I'm sure I'm coming across unreasonable because I'm fed up of hearing this bloody virus and the mess associated with it being used as an excuse for everything from slow police investigations to delays dealing with standard building works whilst the vast majority of people seem to be able to get on with some form or normality, but I'm not entirely unreasonable just like "all" of the police aren't out dealing with Coronavirus rubbish.The more challenging investigations are held up dealing with Covid calls and other "trivia" calls that AREN'T a priority.
The solution is 1 investigation per Officer until it's completed.......but never going to happen.
Unfortunately an investigation will take as long as it takes.
In response to the questions about how much I see of them, my exercise involves around 5 miles of jogging or cycling, three times a day over a varied route. Because of where we are, I'll see 10-15 vehicles some trips out. No, I've no idea what they're doing, but a couple have tried to educate me on how I can only exercise once a day.
Get some pictures!!!
Pegscratch said:
Nibbles_bits said:
I was going to add - and it's not just during Covid. But I didn't think it would be necessary.
I could give you countless examples of calls to the Police that a) aren't a Police matter but no other agency has the resources to deal with
b) aren't a Police matter at all
c) aren't a Police matter, but the agency that deals with it is 9-5
d) have been exaggerated to get a quicker response
e) are just to use us a weapon in a hostile relationship
f) are from someone who can't be bothered to do something, and wants the Police to do it.
Not to mention the "customers" who know how to play the system, taking up resources.
999 calls are a prioritised, but sometimes due to the above, there just aren't any Officers to go.
Someone Specialist Units will attend in place of a 'local' unit, but they're very rarely in a position to retain it.
See. A useful contribution that isn't just a "that isn't what happens". Something useful to understand what is faced.I could give you countless examples of calls to the Police that a) aren't a Police matter but no other agency has the resources to deal with
b) aren't a Police matter at all
c) aren't a Police matter, but the agency that deals with it is 9-5
d) have been exaggerated to get a quicker response
e) are just to use us a weapon in a hostile relationship
f) are from someone who can't be bothered to do something, and wants the Police to do it.
Not to mention the "customers" who know how to play the system, taking up resources.
999 calls are a prioritised, but sometimes due to the above, there just aren't any Officers to go.
Someone Specialist Units will attend in place of a 'local' unit, but they're very rarely in a position to retain it.
Thanks Nibbles for the time to share that. How is it that the police get lumbered with stuff then that sit under a) and b)? Surely if "not my job" applies to them, "not my job" applies to you? I can kind of see why c) might be more of a grey area but still if it's someone else's job 9-5 how is it your problem outside of that?
We do these things because, it's what we do.
If a victim has been let down by us (as a whole organisation), it doesn't get brushed under the carpet by Officers......my team de-brief nearly all the incidents we attend in the following shifts briefing.
If we think something could have been done better by us, other departments or other agencies, we'll let it be known.
Because the best of the best aren't happy dishing out Covid FPN "just because they're easy targets", and it's bloody disheartening when people in genuine need of help don't get.
This bizarre idea that the Police love dishing "easy fines" is false.
We love - Driving fast, catching bad guys & and firing a gun whilst jumping through the air.
Phew whatta rant!
Going back to that article, it winds me up a bit.
For a start, the whole "I'm a key worker", "going to my job as a key worker", "blah blah key worker" thing since this all started has been getting on my nerves.
Great, your job is important. So is mine. So are, I'd say, the majority of jobs.
It doesn't make anyone special nor give your opinion any more weight.
People say it on here, as if they have to justify themselves for asking questions, or being out driving...
And the quote from the NHS worker: "...I work on the front line in the NHS and scenes like this disgust me,..." about some people on a beach?
Yes, they're likely not following the guidelines, but what about smokers, or alcoholics?
Honestly, I'm starting to think I'm just becoming a grumpy old man, which is worrying as I'm not even 30 yet.
For a start, the whole "I'm a key worker", "going to my job as a key worker", "blah blah key worker" thing since this all started has been getting on my nerves.
Great, your job is important. So is mine. So are, I'd say, the majority of jobs.
It doesn't make anyone special nor give your opinion any more weight.
People say it on here, as if they have to justify themselves for asking questions, or being out driving...
And the quote from the NHS worker: "...I work on the front line in the NHS and scenes like this disgust me,..." about some people on a beach?
Yes, they're likely not following the guidelines, but what about smokers, or alcoholics?
Honestly, I'm starting to think I'm just becoming a grumpy old man, which is worrying as I'm not even 30 yet.
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