Issued COVID FPN by a police officer
Discussion
XCP said:
Pothole said:
Nobody looks for an excuse to do a cavity search.
Nobody does one at all without the authority of a Supt, unless things have changed recently. I had a man in my cells who had concealed a stolen Rolex in his anus. Supt couldn't authorise an intimate search, for stolen property so none was done.
Breadvan72 said:
Did you get the officer's name and number? If your report of the officer's comment is accurate, and the officer had indeed done as she claimed, then her conduct may be an appropriate for basis for a complaint. Regrettably, some (not all) police officers appear to have allowed the pandemic to bring out some very bad instincts.
Unfortunately not - I really regret not doing so in hindsight. She stated that her badge number and details, including her station, would be on the FPN, which I would receive within 14 days. No FPN has been received and the one my friend received does not have any such details for his issuing officer either.Gooly said:
Breadvan72 said:
Did you get the officer's name and number? If your report of the officer's comment is accurate, and the officer had indeed done as she claimed, then her conduct may be an appropriate for basis for a complaint. Regrettably, some (not all) police officers appear to have allowed the pandemic to bring out some very bad instincts.
Unfortunately not - I really regret not doing so in hindsight. She stated that her badge number and details, including her station, would be on the FPN, which I would receive within 14 days. No FPN has been received and the one my friend received does not have any such details for his issuing officer either.tony wright said:
Slightly off topic but, I was out cycling the other day and ended up along the side of Blyth wooden docks. There were at least four guys fishing and seemed as though they were from different households as cars (with boots open) were directly behind their fishing equipment. I only mention it as at the time all four were stood closely together in a small group having a chat and had me wondering if they were actually breaking any rules as fishing is allowed and if they could be fined if a policeman came past? Mainly peed me off as I’m not allowed to play golf and their actions seemed much worse than me and my mate walking around a golf course.
In terms of risk as opposed to law, I'd say they probably are all either working from home or shielding, and probably only go out to fish. They are meeting 3 other people outside, and they probably are unlikely to pass anything on. Similar to you and your golfing mates.
I would stop feeling hard done by and be glad you aren't into fishing and be grateful that you have your own health.
Nibbles_bits said:
As it's been nearly 5 weeks (?) since the OP started this thread, I think it's safe to say they aren't receiving an FPN.
The OP's friend should just contest their FPN in Court.
If I understood earlier comments though, that risks an unlimited fine from a process held behind closed doors, with about 2 minutes spent per fpn.The OP's friend should just contest their FPN in Court.
You would take that gamble?? That's a pretty big gamble compared to a discounted fpn.
Of course, i might have totally misunderstood what was said, or it might be a load of b
ks. But if it's true, it would be fair to say the deck is very much stacked for people to accept an fpn on doubtful situations.
I would certainly think hard about that unless I had body cam footage of the incident as evidence (interesting that the wpc the op dealt with lied to him about her details being on the fpn?)
Although I imagine a member of the police will have become accustomed to being believed in magistrates courts...a position not enjoyed by a n other member of the public, especially at a time when "because covid" is order of the day.
My FPN arrived today. Unfortunately there are several issues with it.
The contravention listed is simply "Contravene requirement to not leave or be outside place of living", conveniently missing the last part of the regulation which is 'without reasonable excuse'. This alleged contravention is easily disproved by the circumstances of the case IMO.
Below this, the circumstances of the allegation are listed, which allege that I was "seemingly" part of a gathering, that I was polishing my car (despite having no means to do so and not actually being near my car at the time), and that I had travelled up from Croydon(!) to Central London despite living in Battersea, having my licence, car and insurance registered to Battersea and having no connection with Croydon whatsoever... not that my address would have any bearing on the regulations anyway! 'Cars' was also spelt 'Cards' which is mildly entertaining.
Unfortunately the FPN does not list any details of my issuing officer aside from her last name but I will be filing a complaint at the least, and due to how shabbily worded the FPN is I am confident that I would win in court were I to decline the offer of the FPN. Will continue to update here with how things progress.
ETA: The only reference I can find to any form of limiting timescales on the serving of an FPN is on ACRO's website, who say that if you have not received the FPN after 8 weeks of it being served, you should contact them. I can therefore only assume that there are no grounds for recourse for the fact that the FPN arrived 7 weeks after the original offence.
The contravention listed is simply "Contravene requirement to not leave or be outside place of living", conveniently missing the last part of the regulation which is 'without reasonable excuse'. This alleged contravention is easily disproved by the circumstances of the case IMO.
Below this, the circumstances of the allegation are listed, which allege that I was "seemingly" part of a gathering, that I was polishing my car (despite having no means to do so and not actually being near my car at the time), and that I had travelled up from Croydon(!) to Central London despite living in Battersea, having my licence, car and insurance registered to Battersea and having no connection with Croydon whatsoever... not that my address would have any bearing on the regulations anyway! 'Cars' was also spelt 'Cards' which is mildly entertaining.
Unfortunately the FPN does not list any details of my issuing officer aside from her last name but I will be filing a complaint at the least, and due to how shabbily worded the FPN is I am confident that I would win in court were I to decline the offer of the FPN. Will continue to update here with how things progress.
ETA: The only reference I can find to any form of limiting timescales on the serving of an FPN is on ACRO's website, who say that if you have not received the FPN after 8 weeks of it being served, you should contact them. I can therefore only assume that there are no grounds for recourse for the fact that the FPN arrived 7 weeks after the original offence.
Edited by Gooly on Saturday 3rd April 14:36
Gooly said:
My FPN arrived today. Unfortunately there are several issues with it.
The contravention listed is simply "Contravene requirement to not leave or be outside place of living", conveniently missing the last part of the regulation which is 'without reasonable excuse'. This alleged contravention is easily disproved by the circumstances of the case IMO.
Below this, the circumstances of the allegation are listed, which allege that I was "seemingly" part of a gathering, that I was polishing my car (despite having no means to do so and not actually being near my car at the time), and that I had travelled up from Croydon(!) to Central London despite living in Battersea, having my licence, car and insurance registered to Battersea and having no connection with Croydon whatsoever... not that my address would have any bearing on the regulations anyway! 'Cars' was also spelt 'Cards' which is mildly entertaining.
Unfortunately the FPN does not list any details of my issuing officer aside from her last name but I will be filing a complaint at the least, and due to how shabbily worded the FPN is I am confident that I would win in court were I to decline the offer of the FPN. Will continue to update here with how things progress.
ETA: The only reference I can find to any form of limiting timescales on the serving of an FPN is on ACRO's website, who say that if you have not received the FPN after 8 weeks of it being served, you should contact them. I can therefore only assume that there are no grounds for recourse for the fact that the FPN arrived 7 weeks after the original offence.
I wonder if the FPNs were issued by genuine Police officers ? Far too many mistakes on this one and the issuing officers details missing from both.The contravention listed is simply "Contravene requirement to not leave or be outside place of living", conveniently missing the last part of the regulation which is 'without reasonable excuse'. This alleged contravention is easily disproved by the circumstances of the case IMO.
Below this, the circumstances of the allegation are listed, which allege that I was "seemingly" part of a gathering, that I was polishing my car (despite having no means to do so and not actually being near my car at the time), and that I had travelled up from Croydon(!) to Central London despite living in Battersea, having my licence, car and insurance registered to Battersea and having no connection with Croydon whatsoever... not that my address would have any bearing on the regulations anyway! 'Cars' was also spelt 'Cards' which is mildly entertaining.
Unfortunately the FPN does not list any details of my issuing officer aside from her last name but I will be filing a complaint at the least, and due to how shabbily worded the FPN is I am confident that I would win in court were I to decline the offer of the FPN. Will continue to update here with how things progress.
ETA: The only reference I can find to any form of limiting timescales on the serving of an FPN is on ACRO's website, who say that if you have not received the FPN after 8 weeks of it being served, you should contact them. I can therefore only assume that there are no grounds for recourse for the fact that the FPN arrived 7 weeks after the original offence.
Edited by Gooly on Saturday 3rd April 14:36
NikBartlett said:
Gooly said:
My FPN arrived today. Unfortunately there are several issues with it.
The contravention listed is simply "Contravene requirement to not leave or be outside place of living", conveniently missing the last part of the regulation which is 'without reasonable excuse'. This alleged contravention is easily disproved by the circumstances of the case IMO.
Below this, the circumstances of the allegation are listed, which allege that I was "seemingly" part of a gathering, that I was polishing my car (despite having no means to do so and not actually being near my car at the time), and that I had travelled up from Croydon(!) to Central London despite living in Battersea, having my licence, car and insurance registered to Battersea and having no connection with Croydon whatsoever... not that my address would have any bearing on the regulations anyway! 'Cars' was also spelt 'Cards' which is mildly entertaining.
Unfortunately the FPN does not list any details of my issuing officer aside from her last name but I will be filing a complaint at the least, and due to how shabbily worded the FPN is I am confident that I would win in court were I to decline the offer of the FPN. Will continue to update here with how things progress.
ETA: The only reference I can find to any form of limiting timescales on the serving of an FPN is on ACRO's website, who say that if you have not received the FPN after 8 weeks of it being served, you should contact them. I can therefore only assume that there are no grounds for recourse for the fact that the FPN arrived 7 weeks after the original offence.
I wonder if the FPNs were issued by genuine Police officers ? Far too many mistakes on this one and the issuing officers details missing from both.The contravention listed is simply "Contravene requirement to not leave or be outside place of living", conveniently missing the last part of the regulation which is 'without reasonable excuse'. This alleged contravention is easily disproved by the circumstances of the case IMO.
Below this, the circumstances of the allegation are listed, which allege that I was "seemingly" part of a gathering, that I was polishing my car (despite having no means to do so and not actually being near my car at the time), and that I had travelled up from Croydon(!) to Central London despite living in Battersea, having my licence, car and insurance registered to Battersea and having no connection with Croydon whatsoever... not that my address would have any bearing on the regulations anyway! 'Cars' was also spelt 'Cards' which is mildly entertaining.
Unfortunately the FPN does not list any details of my issuing officer aside from her last name but I will be filing a complaint at the least, and due to how shabbily worded the FPN is I am confident that I would win in court were I to decline the offer of the FPN. Will continue to update here with how things progress.
ETA: The only reference I can find to any form of limiting timescales on the serving of an FPN is on ACRO's website, who say that if you have not received the FPN after 8 weeks of it being served, you should contact them. I can therefore only assume that there are no grounds for recourse for the fact that the FPN arrived 7 weeks after the original offence.
Edited by Gooly on Saturday 3rd April 14:36
Edited by Bigends on Saturday 3rd April 18:47
I get the impression that the missing part of this story is now that there may have been some sort of car gathering that in the police's opinion was outside of the rules, you were there with presumably a fairly nice car and rightly or wrongly were identified as being part of it.
Does that sound likely?
Does that sound likely?
agtlaw said:
Extremely bad idea whilst proceedings are ongoing.
I was under the impression that the met may withdraw on the basis of the complaint - happy to consider otherwise thoughNibbles_bits said:
Any chance of a picture of said FPN?
Obviously without your details.
Perhaps after a conclusion is reachedObviously without your details.
Bigends said:
Tickets are issued by an admin dept, not by the officer dealing - probably accounts for the typos
As far as I know this isnt the case - this FOI from the met implies the officer does all the legwork https://maps.met.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media...Gman20 said:
I get the impression that the missing part of this story is now that there may have been some sort of car gathering that in the police's opinion was outside of the rules, you were there with presumably a fairly nice car and rightly or wrongly were identified as being part of it.
Does that sound likely?
Whilst we were parked up, two blokes driving an identical car (down to the same colour and all) saw us and parked up with the intention of chatting. We weren't together, and I made it clear that we didn't want to be part of a group particularly as I had been around Central all day and saw how much police presence there was (I literally imagined this exact scenario happening). Does that sound likely?
They stuck to themselves, across the street at least 30 metres away, and I stuck with my pal as he shot my car. This is when the police saw us and pulled up. My FPN doesn't allege that I broke the contraventions with regards to gatherings and my issuing police officer acknowledged that I wasn't part of a gathering of four, so its not relevant to the case in this respect.
I should add that, as 'convenient' as this story may sound, I am clued up with the regulations and I simply wouldn't put myself in a situation where I was knowingly breaking the rules. I have no interest in dealing with FPNs or the police. I'm sure many will jump on this and say that I was trying it on but its genuinely not the case!
Gooly said:
I stuck with my pal as he shot my car. This is when the police saw us and pulled up.
Wait, what?I haven’t read all 29 pages so apologies if this has been discussed already, but your original post said :
Gooly said:
A police officer issued a COVID FPN to me 11 days ago whilst I was on a walk with someone not from my household 3 miles from my house.
Going for a walk with your mate and driving somewhere for your mate to take photos of your car are two very different things!Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff