Shed burglars

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R56Cooper

300 posts

187 months

Monday 1st March
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Agreed with the above posts re. keeping valuables in the house if poss etc. Good insurance and a well documented inventory including scanned receipts etc would also help.

Boils my piss to see people on FB marketplace selling whole sets of decent trades quality tools with no obvious explanation of why they are selling.

Psycho Warren

1,684 posts

77 months

Monday 1st March
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Instead of the trip mines, use a smoke grenade as a small shed will in seconds be untenable for everyone not wearing breathing apparatus. And even then they won't be able to see anything.

Carrot

7,294 posts

166 months

Monday 1st March
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jondude said:
Sounds a decent enough idea but I have always found having a shed that looks like a tip when you open the door has served me well.
Without knowing it, I have been a shed security expert all my life hehe

steve2

1,601 posts

182 months

Monday 1st March
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After getting all my tools stolen from my shed a few years ago, I bought an Assguard bike shed, moved it a bit closer to the house and all my power tools, golf clubs etc live in there.
This weekend someone broke into a van in B and Q car park whilst the owner was inside the store, apparently although really busy no one saw anything, he has lost a couple of grands worth of tools

Lonely

1,034 posts

132 months

Monday 1st March
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PrinceRupert said:
So, some good news - the suspect will be getting lifted this week. Police reasonably confident in their case as well. Hopefully gets an appropriate punishment.

Edited by PrinceRupert on Monday 1st March 13:50
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.

Hugo Stiglitz

30,692 posts

175 months

Monday 1st March
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steve2 said:
After getting all my tools stolen from my shed a few years ago, I bought an Assguard bike shed, moved it a bit closer to the house and all my power tools, golf clubs etc live in there.
This weekend someone broke into a van in B and Q car park whilst the owner was inside the store, apparently although really busy no one saw anything, he has lost a couple of grands worth of tools
This month in Tescos carpark, owner was in for ten mins shopping and came out to be told his bikes were gone from the van and 4 lads on mopeds had broke in and taken them.

R56Cooper

300 posts

187 months

Monday 1st March
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Psycho Warren said:
Instead of the trip mines, use a smoke grenade as a small shed will in seconds be untenable for everyone not wearing breathing apparatus. And even then they won't be able to see anything.
Any idea where you can get a smoke screen type device?

That genuinely sounds like a great solution. Regardless of whether they have grinders / axes whatever, if they can't see they won't get far!

I don't see any immediate issue with legality either, so long as the smoke isn't "noxious"...



Plymo

534 posts

53 months

Monday 1st March
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These might fit the bill, with a ring pull to set them off https://www.airsoftworld.net/enola-gaye-wp40-ring-...
Designed for Airsoft games so they should be safe enough...
Looks like a cracking idea, I had never thought of using smoke!


Or the nuclear option, I've set one of these off before and the amount of smoke was amazing. Dyes stuff orange too... Just whatever you do don't set it off yourself laugh
https://www.gaelforcemarine.co.uk/Mobile/en/Hansso...

Evanivitch

8,790 posts

86 months

Monday 1st March
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Plymo said:
These might fit the bill, with a ring pull to set them off https://www.airsoftworld.net/enola-gaye-wp40-ring-...
Designed for Airsoft games so they should be safe enough...
Looks like a cracking idea, I had never thought of using smoke!


Or the nuclear option, I've set one of these off before and the amount of smoke was amazing. Dyes stuff orange too... Just whatever you do don't set it off yourself laugh
https://www.gaelforcemarine.co.uk/Mobile/en/Hansso...
WP? Hope that's not white phos...

PrinceRupert

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10,187 posts

49 months

Monday 1st March
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Lonely said:
PrinceRupert said:
So, some good news - the suspect will be getting lifted this week. Police reasonably confident in their case as well. Hopefully gets an appropriate punishment.

Edited by PrinceRupert on Monday 1st March 13:50
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.
Fingers crossed ...

Been asked if I'd be happy to be a witness in court. Sure, but not sure what value I can add, other than confirming i watched the security footage ...

Blockbuster

120 posts

25 months

Monday 1st March
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Bigends said:
A decent, solid shed bar fitted with a shutter padlock will act as a good deterrent - not invincible by any means but a good start. Ivde got the bigger items in my shed padlocked together with old bike D locks. Again , not a perfect solution, but if they want my lawn mower, itll come with a couple of garden chairs, and half the contents of the shed
I do this too.

Everything of value locked together with big D locks, and also a big lock on the side gate and the lock held on with anti tamper screws, so they’ll have to lift the whole lot over the fence to remove it.

Blockbuster

120 posts

25 months

Monday 1st March
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Lonely said:
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.
One of the local prolific offenders who has over 180 previous convictions recently got sentenced to a 7pm to 7am curfew for four months, after his latest house breaking escapade.

Lonely

1,034 posts

132 months

Monday 1st March
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Blockbuster said:
Lonely said:
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.
One of the local prolific offenders who has over 180 previous convictions recently got sentenced to a 7pm to 7am curfew for four months, after his latest house breaking escapade.
Ouch! Bet that taught him a lesson. grumpy

RazerSauber

1,099 posts

24 months

Monday 1st March
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Blockbuster said:
Lonely said:
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.
One of the local prolific offenders who has over 180 previous convictions recently got sentenced to a 7pm to 7am curfew for four months, after his latest house breaking escapade.
Wish we had a 3 strikes rule. I think America has one. 3 convictions and mandatory jail time. Long jail time too, none of this 8 weeks rubbish where they're out before they've made their bed. Proper ruin your life jail time.

PrinceRupert

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10,187 posts

49 months

Monday 1st March
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RazerSauber said:
Blockbuster said:
Lonely said:
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.
One of the local prolific offenders who has over 180 previous convictions recently got sentenced to a 7pm to 7am curfew for four months, after his latest house breaking escapade.
Wish we had a 3 strikes rule. I think America has one. 3 convictions and mandatory jail time. Long jail time too, none of this 8 weeks rubbish where they're out before they've made their bed. Proper ruin your life jail time.
A quick Google suggests we do too - three years minimum on the third strike.

https://www.burglary.co.uk/law/3rd-strike-burglar-...

MC Bodge

15,407 posts

139 months

Monday 1st March
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RazerSauber said:
Wish we had a 3 strikes rule. I think America has one. 3 convictions and mandatory jail time. Long jail time too, none of this 8 weeks rubbish where they're out before they've made their bed. Proper ruin your life jail time.
The US has zero crime as a result of its harsh system, non?

The UK already locks up far more people than most comparable countries.

Lonely

1,034 posts

132 months

Monday 1st March
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PrinceRupert said:
RazerSauber said:
Blockbuster said:
Lonely said:
Please don't build your hopes up. As much as we'd all like to see a suitable chastisement it's unlikely to be any more than a community order unless there are other matters to be dealt with at the same time.
One of the local prolific offenders who has over 180 previous convictions recently got sentenced to a 7pm to 7am curfew for four months, after his latest house breaking escapade.
Wish we had a 3 strikes rule. I think America has one. 3 convictions and mandatory jail time. Long jail time too, none of this 8 weeks rubbish where they're out before they've made their bed. Proper ruin your life jail time.
A quick Google suggests we do too - three years minimum on the third strike.

https://www.burglary.co.uk/law/3rd-strike-burglar-...
Dwelling burglary carries it. Not sheds I'm afraid.

spaximus

3,770 posts

217 months

Monday 1st March
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When we got burgled the cops were great in turning up and doing what they could but it was lucky for me the watches they stole were easily identified and appeared on Ebay that night.

They got caught and a slap on the wrist. This was in an alarmed house which went off in the middle of the day and got ignored.

One of the coppers was telling me he had a motorbike, chained to a ground anchor in a brick garage in a rank. The door was securely bolted as you would expect.

What you would not expect was them to knock the single brick wall at the back through, out of sight and cut the chain and nick the bike. As he said a determined thief will always win, a lazy one will be put off by even the most basic security as they just find an easier target.

PrinceRupert

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10,187 posts

49 months

Monday 1st March
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Lonely said:
Dwelling burglary carries it. Not sheds I'm afraid.
I am clearly no expert but this website suggests a shed is a dwelling:

https://www.adamlawsolicitors.co.uk/criminal-defen...

"The question of what constituted a dwelling under section 9 of the Theft Act 1968 was specifically considered by the Court of Appeal in the case of R v Rodmell (24 November 1994 – unreported). This was a case that involved the burglary of a garden shed, and the theft of power tools. The shed stood in three and a quarter acres of grounds of a house, and some 60 yards from the house.

The Court of Appeal cited with approval the following sentencing remarks:

‘A garden shed is part of a person’s home. Burglars should be under no illusion that burglary of outbuildings is just as much burglary of domestic premises as breaking into the front door, although it can be said to be not quite as serious as breaking onto the place where people live.’"

Bigends

4,187 posts

92 months

Monday 1st March
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PrinceRupert said:
Lonely said:
Dwelling burglary carries it. Not sheds I'm afraid.
I am clearly no expert but this website suggests a shed is a dwelling:

https://www.adamlawsolicitors.co.uk/criminal-defen...

"The question of what constituted a dwelling under section 9 of the Theft Act 1968 was specifically considered by the Court of Appeal in the case of R v Rodmell (24 November 1994 – unreported). This was a case that involved the burglary of a garden shed, and the theft of power tools. The shed stood in three and a quarter acres of grounds of a house, and some 60 yards from the house.

The Court of Appeal cited with approval the following sentencing remarks:

‘A garden shed is part of a person’s home. Burglars should be under no illusion that burglary of outbuildings is just as much burglary of domestic premises as breaking into the front door, although it can be said to be not quite as serious as breaking onto the place where people live.’"
Exactly, Police will record these shed breaks as Dwelling Burglaries now. Rules changed a few years back when you could have an integral garage burgled and if there was no connection door to the house it would only be recorded as Burglary - other premises, and not dwelling