Your opinion on extreme lorry "overtaking"

[bigothunter]

Gary C said:

Missed by 19 years ?

20 actually but thanks for highlighting my silly error

Original post is corrected now.

[boyse7en]

bigothunter said:

Roger Irrelevant said:

What gets on my tits is when a cruise control zombie in a normal car does the same thing - a prod of the pedal could see them past the car they're overtaking in no time, but no they insist on sitting at what their car deems to be 70, which is 0.1mph faster than what the overtaken car deems to be 70, and are happy to sit in the outside lane like that for ages as they're doing the speed limit and thus can't be driving badly.

From May 2022, all new cars will be on cruise control: 70.0 mph max and not 0.1 mph more. Cars and trucks all matched at exactly the same speeds.

Chaos and rage should be entertaining, just to satisfy the zealots in Brussels I can hardly wait

Edited by bigothunter on Wednesday 1st September 12:26

Surely if they are *that* exactly matched at speed there won't be any rage as no one will be held up?

[gazza285]

Why would anyone let something so trivial upset them?

I cannot blame the HGV drivers, it’s not like they asked for limiters to be fitted.

[bigothunter]

boyse7en said:

Surely if they are *that* exactly matched at speed there won't be any rage as no one will be held up?

We will all be held up in eternal queues at 56 mph or if you are lucky, at 70 mph. That's the beauty of it

[bigothunter]

gazza285 said:

I cannot blame the HGV drivers, it’s not like they asked for limiters to be fitted.

And neither did car drivers but we are getting them

[boyse7en]

bigothunter said:

boyse7en said:

Surely if they are *that* exactly matched at speed there won't be any rage as no one will be held up?

We will all be held up in eternal queues at 56 mph or if you are lucky, at 70 mph. That's the beauty of it

No we won't. If all the cars travel at 70mph exactly you will never catch up with the one in front to make a queue, and likewise the one behind won't catch you up either.
Same for the lorries at 56mph. And they would only need one lane as they would never overtake.

The issue is when one car (or lorry) is doing 1mph more than the one in front and tries to overtake.

[Chedders]

From a HGV drivers point of view saying we are selfish - we have as much right to overtake another vehicle as a car. In fairness I do get flashed in, it is selfish of car drivers to speed up when they see me indicating - do you know how slow these things accelerate with a full load?

I then have to slow down and accelerate again, loosing minutes - it adds up at the end of an already long shift. In fairness it can sometimes appear you catch up another lorry very quickly, but then it can take an age to overtake.

I’m a better trained driver than a car driver, please bear this in mind. Most drivers don’t understand I need space and a little bit of patience.

Also that big gap we leave to the vehicle in front, it’s there for a reason. If you cut me up bad enough I then have to pull over and recheck my load, tightening the straps back up takes a long time! If I can’t brake in time you’ll come off much worse due to your own stupidy.

And breath, I feel so much better letting that out!

[rfisher]

I call it HGV feckwitery.

When HGV A finally gets past HGV B, HGV B then invariably pulls out to overtake HGV A, thus resulting in a further 5 mile queue of cars sat behind the prossie killers.

Bring on the robot driven HGVs.

And ffs give traffic lights some AI so they don't turn red as you approach when there's nothing coming the other way.

Not difficult.

[bigothunter]

boyse7en said:

No we won't. If all the cars travel at 70mph exactly you will never catch up with the one in front to make a queue, and likewise the one behind won't catch you up either.
Same for the lorries at 56mph. And they would only need one lane as they would never overtake.

The issue is when one car (or lorry) is doing 1mph more than the one in front and tries to overtake.

Not until the roads have been purged of all those old "unsafe" cars without speed limiters.

Anyway Level 5 Autonomy is the answer - remove the muppet from behind the wheel

[bigothunter]

rfisher said:

I call it HGV feckwitery.

When HGV A finally gets past HGV B, HGV B then invariably pulls out to overtake HGV A, thus resulting in a further 5 mile queue of cars sat behind the prossie killers.

Bring on the robot driven HGVs.

Truck platooning with just one driver for at least six HGVs. Prospect of no driver at all eventually.

That will get over the shortage of truck drivers and reduce the wage bill (although unemployment benefit cost will increase).

[AudiMan9000]

I estimated their speeds. The overriding point is that they were both going much slower than the cars, and the overtaker was driving imperceptibly faster than the other lorry.

[bigothunter]

AudiMan9000 said:

I estimated their speeds. The overriding point is that they were both going much slower than the cars, and the overtaker was driving imperceptibly faster than the other lorry.

Utopia for our friends in Brussels

Successful implementation of truck speed limiters has paved the way for application to all road vehicles (except motorbikes because they haven't figured out how to adopt ISA)

[AudiMan9000]

bigothunter said:

AudiMan9000 said:

I estimated their speeds. The overriding point is that they were both going much slower than the cars, and the overtaker was driving imperceptibly faster than the other lorry.

Utopia for our friends in Brussels

Successful implementation of truck speed limiters has paved the way for application to all road vehicles (except motorbikes because they haven't figured out how to adopt ISA)

I have no problem with my car being limited to the legal speed limit. All it will do is prevent me from speeding. But it does seem rather inconsiderate for lorries to overtake each other at such comparably low speeds.

[Ruskie]

I had this the other day on A1. It took the lorry well over 5 miles to get past in the end. Cars were tailed back and as soon he moved over the traffic flowed again. Very frustrating and selfish.

[bigothunter]

AudiMan9000 said:

I have no problem with my car being limited to the legal speed limit. All it will do is prevent me from speeding. But it does seem rather inconsiderate for lorries to overtake each other at such comparably low speeds.

So how would you cope with someone who accelerates to 70mph when you are overtaking them on a motorway, or to 60mph on a single carriageway road? Would you be happy to just fall in behind them? Or sit beside them causing a road block?

[AudiMan9000]

bigothunter said:

AudiMan9000 said:

I have no problem with my car being limited to the legal speed limit. All it will do is prevent me from speeding. But it does seem rather inconsiderate for lorries to overtake each other at such comparably low speeds.

So how would you cope with someone who accelerates to 70mph when you are overtaking them on a motorway, or to 60mph on a single carriageway road? Would you be happy to just fall in behind them? Or sit beside them causing a road block?

Fall in behind as the overtake would no longer be necessary or legally possible.

[bigothunter]

AudiMan9000 said:

bigothunter said:

AudiMan9000 said:

I have no problem with my car being limited to the legal speed limit. All it will do is prevent me from speeding. But it does seem rather inconsiderate for lorries to overtake each other at such comparably low speeds.

So how would you cope with someone who accelerates to 70mph when you are overtaking them on a motorway, or to 60mph on a single carriageway road? Would you be happy to just fall in behind them? Or sit beside them causing a road block?

Fall in behind as the overtake would no longer be necessary or legally possible.

Until they slow down again below the speed limit. My van has a hard 70mph limiter. Trying to overtake cars cruising at 65mph in the centre lane but playing this accelerate/decelerate game, becomes a nightmare. Happened twice last night on motorways.

Welcome to the future...

[bigothunter]

I have an idea

Why not mandate hard speed limiter set at 56 mph for trucks, vans, cars, motorbikes, etc alike? Then everyone will be travelling at almost exactly the same speed and the frustration of extreme lorry "overtaking" would be solved.

Towards Utopia...

[Pothole]

bigothunter said:

Until they slow down again below the speed limit. My van has a hard 70mph limiter. Trying to overtake cars cruising at 65mph in the centre lane but playing this accelerate/decelerate game, becomes a nightmare. Happened twice last night on motorways.

Welcome to the future...

Dive up behind in L2. Full beam for 4 seconds. Pass when they pull in to L1

[donkmeister]

bigothunter said:

Until they slow down again below the speed limit. My van has a hard 70mph limiter. Trying to overtake cars cruising at 65mph in the centre lane but playing this accelerate/decelerate game, becomes a nightmare. Happened twice last night on motorways.

Welcome to the future...

That already happens without speed limiters - try driving down the M3 from London to Farnborough in the morning. It doesn't help that the road engineers announced they specified molten lava as the wearing course for L1 (I'm assuming - no bugger ever drives in it apart from me), but of the motorways I regularly use it has the worst drivers for playing the "my cruising speed is 70 +/- 10mph" game. With cameras at regular intervals a short squirt to get some distance between you and the numpty could be expensive.