Your opinion on extreme lorry "overtaking"
Discussion
Getragdogleg said:
No, We pay a huge amount to use the roads and are tightly regulated and tested. The lockdown taught us all that the Lorries are not the problem, its all the cars that need to be out of our way.
We run from Cornwall to Southampton and our runs each way were an hour less in Lockdown, all legal, no speeding. We know exactly where the holdups and delays come from.
I can't agree that HGVs pay a huge amount to use the roads. A single 38 tonne HGV causes nearly 10 000 times as much wear to the road as a 2 tonne car. The infrastructure required for HGVs is much more expensive than for lighter road vehicles, and so the cost of roads is higher specifically to support HGVs. Multiplying up by annual vehicle mileage the total wear on the roads from all cars is a fraction of a percent of that done by HGVsWe run from Cornwall to Southampton and our runs each way were an hour less in Lockdown, all legal, no speeding. We know exactly where the holdups and delays come from.
I'm not suggesting that roads should not be built to current standards, but pointing out that LGVs are heavily subsidised by the taxes paid by other vehicles.
aka said
I have never witnessed two lorries on a dual carriage way drag it out for 9 minutes like the OP is suggesting , perhaps 1/4 of a mile overtake or on a motorway causing half a dozen cars to move into the outside lane for a bit but to be honest on a motorway it's people in cars who are completely unobservant that cause more issues than 1 lorry overtaking another.
Several years ago i was southbound on the A74/M74 3 lane section where on there is a downhill section and has lovely shallow bends and you can see for miles. I was on 65 cruise( no rush yo get home) and there were two Eddie Stobarts in lanes 1 ans 2 waaay in the distance 6 mins later i passed them and they were still level.another 5 mins art least in the rear view mirror and still at it!!
That peed me off and because it was Eddie i rang and told them just said very bad advert for the company. Chap went ballistic and got back after viewing the tracker read out. Thanked me and said they will both be invited for a chat without the tea and biscuits and no seat either!!
I have never witnessed two lorries on a dual carriage way drag it out for 9 minutes like the OP is suggesting , perhaps 1/4 of a mile overtake or on a motorway causing half a dozen cars to move into the outside lane for a bit but to be honest on a motorway it's people in cars who are completely unobservant that cause more issues than 1 lorry overtaking another.
Several years ago i was southbound on the A74/M74 3 lane section where on there is a downhill section and has lovely shallow bends and you can see for miles. I was on 65 cruise( no rush yo get home) and there were two Eddie Stobarts in lanes 1 ans 2 waaay in the distance 6 mins later i passed them and they were still level.another 5 mins art least in the rear view mirror and still at it!!
That peed me off and because it was Eddie i rang and told them just said very bad advert for the company. Chap went ballistic and got back after viewing the tracker read out. Thanked me and said they will both be invited for a chat without the tea and biscuits and no seat either!!
Trackdayer said:
Triumph Man said:
it always seems to be a trucker, who straddled both lanes 800yds before a merge point...
I think they do that deliberately "to stop people pushing in".Despite merge in turn being an established part of driving.
Getragdogleg said:
RyanOPlasty said:
A single 38 tonne HGV causes nearly 10 000 times as much wear to the road as a 2 tonne car.
One lorry equal to nearly 10000 cars folks! Remember, you read it here first.Lol.
Trackdayer said:
I think they do that deliberately "to stop people pushing in".
Despite merge in turn being an established part of driving.
Yes but the aggression from other drivers with merge in turn is unbelievable. If people actually followed this, traffic would reduce. Despite merge in turn being an established part of driving.
Forrest of Dean to Gloucester anyone
IroningMan said:
Road wear-and-tear is proportional to the fourth power of axle weight, isn't it?
Apparently sohttps://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage...
NGRhodes said:
How much difference would it make to traffic flow overall by preventing lorries overtaking and allowing faster vehicles past ?
None in most areas. The issue for large parts of our road network both 2 and 3 lane is, and always will be, ignorant and entitled car drivers. Those who use lane 2&3 exclusively because they’re wanting to sit at 70-80mph. Those who sit in L2 or 3 when they could move left because they don’t want anyone passing them before they get to the next wagon that is 1/4 mile away. The idiots who join L2 directly from a slip road with no mirror check and remain there until the second countdown marker for their exit regardless of the speed or presence of any vehicle in L1.
When car drivers can follow the Highway Code to the letter, can actually drive and are not responsible for the majority of congestion on our roads then I’m happy to start beating lorry drivers for getting on with their journey rather than following slower and slower traffic blindly.
Getragdogleg said:
No, We pay a huge amount to use the roads and are tightly regulated and tested. The lockdown taught us all that the Lorries are not the problem, its all the cars that need to be out of our way.
We run from Cornwall to Southampton and our runs each way were an hour less in Lockdown, all legal, no speeding. We know exactly where the holdups and delays come from.
Motoring was easier for everyone who had to use the roads during lockdown, less traffic does that, in the same way it’s easier to drive from Kent to Cornwall leaving at 4 in the morning not at 9. Standards of driving seemed higher too. We run from Cornwall to Southampton and our runs each way were an hour less in Lockdown, all legal, no speeding. We know exactly where the holdups and delays come from.
I have recently got an electric car and on few journeys I’ve done nearing it’s maximum range I have set the cruise at 62mph on the motorway. I was staggered how many cars go slower than this; they must be infuriating for lorry drivers.
Chrishum said:
NGRhodes said:
How much difference would it make to traffic flow overall by preventing lorries overtaking and allowing faster vehicles past ?
None in most areas. The issue for large parts of our road network both 2 and 3 lane is, and always will be, ignorant and entitled car drivers. Those who use lane 2&3 exclusively because they’re wanting to sit at 70-80mph. Those who sit in L2 or 3 when they could move left because they don’t want anyone passing them before they get to the next wagon that is 1/4 mile away. The idiots who join L2 directly from a slip road with no mirror check and remain there until the second countdown marker for their exit regardless of the speed or presence of any vehicle in L1.
When car drivers can follow the Highway Code to the letter, can actually drive and are not responsible for the majority of congestion on our roads then I’m happy to start beating lorry drivers for getting on with their journey rather than following slower and slower traffic blindly.
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