The smell of weed.

[Killboy]

eldar said:

Funny how stoners believe themselves the experts to the exclusion of every one else

Well you are certainly doing a swell job.

[eldar]

Killboy said:

Well you are certainly doing a swell job.

I feel at home on this thread

[okgo]

eldar said:

Funny how stoners believe themselves the experts to the exclusion of every one else how much does your habit cost?

£0 as I don't smoke.

But I do know my arse from my elbow when it comes to such topics as its totally common place among people younger than yourself, as proved by your spurious facts.

[eldar]

okgo said:

£0 as I don't smoke.

But I do know my arse from my elbow when it comes to such topics as its totally common place among people younger than yourself, as proved by your spurious facts.

So, an expert based on no experience, just gossip. Colour me impressed.

[okgo]

eldar said:

So, an expert based on no experience, just gossip. Colour me impressed.

I think finding a 33 year old in the SE who hasn't got a fairly good handle on what goes on would be quite rare, even if they don't partake themselves.

[eldar]

okgo said:

eldar said:

So, an expert based on no experience, just gossip. Colour me impressed.

I think finding a 33 year old in the SE who hasn't got a fairly good handle on what goes on would be quite rare, even if they don't partake themselves.

But according to you, it is all forgotten by the time you get to 34. Colour me even more impressed.

[LukeBrown66]

I have no doubt that like any kind of addiction there are a high percentage of people that can smoke this horrid stuff in moderation.

But the fact it is illegal means you have to talk to dealers tog et it, they probably also deal in other things, for most this is not a problem, but for a few it will be, hence my point, addiction preys on the weak, look at gambling advertising, the pathetic ease at which you can buy stacks of booze, it makes me sick, and really nothing is done about it to any great effect.

Apparently it is fine to allow a tiny percentage to totally ruin their and close families lives as long as the majority are OK.

In the opposite way a lot of rules are made because the tiny minority do something illegal or that goes out of a loophole, then, it's everyone else who suffers.

Ironic or just plain stupid!!

[geeks]

LukeBrown66 said:

I have no doubt that like any kind of addiction there are a high percentage of people that can smoke this horrid stuff in moderation.

But the fact it is illegal means you have to talk to dealers tog et it, they probably also deal in other things, for most this is not a problem, but for a few it will be, hence my point, addiction preys on the weak, look at gambling advertising, the pathetic ease at which you can buy stacks of booze, it makes me sick, and really nothing is done about it to any great effect.

Apparently it is fine to allow a tiny percentage to totally ruin their and close families lives as long as the majority are OK.

In the opposite way a lot of rules are made because the tiny minority do something illegal or that goes out of a loophole, then, it's everyone else who suffers.

Ironic or just plain stupid!!

I am sorry, you still talking about weed or booze? Change dealer to local shop and it's no different what so ever!

[NMNeil]

LukeBrown66 said:

I recall a drugs talk show years ago, interesting watch. Especially the bit where the guy who worked in a rehab centre said every single person he dealt with for years started out smoking weed.

That is enough for me to keep it where it is thanks

Ah, the old gateway drug BS.
This would mean that all barbiturate users started by drinking alcohol, because both are potent central nervous system depressants.
Or was it more likely that the only place they could buy weed was the local dealer who would suggest that they try something stronger, addictive and more profitable to the dealer?

[okgo]

And what would it mean for the millions of people using coke every weekend in London?

I haven’t been into a pub for years where every flat surface in the bog has not had remnants of gear on ot. Most of these people presumably don’t go on to take heroin.

Edited by okgo on Friday 4th June 18:32

[NMNeil]

In just over 3 weeks it will be legal to grow and possess weed here in New Mexico, and the true reason it's being legalized is simple; money.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mexico-gov...

[mat205125]

hucumber said:

eldar said:

hucumber said:

Exactly. Drunkeness is far more anti social than smoking weed, its only conditioning that makes people think any different. Theres a good podcast by Professor David Nutt about alcohol, off the top of my head he said it costs the NHS 3 billion pounds a year

You are comparing apples and pears. Compare alcohol to illegal drugs or cannabis to babycham.

How much crime is committed by illegal drug users.

By weed smokers? I expect considerably less than alcohol users.
By users of other drugs? Depends entirely on the drugs you are talking about. Heroin and crack users will commit more crime than ecstasy or magic mushroom users for example.
But that isn't the point, we are discussing marijuana. And if you think people are going out en mass and committing crimes to feed their weed habit then you have no idea what you're talking about. If I could be bothered I would try and find out drug related crime (excluding selling) and alcohol related crime. I doubt the two are as far apart as you think

Lost topic direction slightly

Whilst never saying that crime related to alcohol and drugs isn't a problem the worst alcoholic or class a user is at least largely harming just themselves. The weed smoking foul stench that alerts attention to their presence is the issue at hand here.

It's definitely an antisocial activity for anyone that is in the vicinity...... or maybe we're just a bunch of squares dude

[Jonny Wishbone]

mat205125 said:

Lost topic direction slightly

Whilst never saying that crime related to alcohol and drugs isn't a problem the worst alcoholic or class a user is at least largely harming just themselves. The weed smoking foul stench that alerts attention to their presence is the issue at hand here.

It's definitely an antisocial activity for anyone that is in the vicinity...... or maybe we're just a bunch of squares dude

The OP’s question has been answered many times over so all that’s left of this thread is shooting the breeze.

The most reasonable thing would be to have a quiet word with the perps. Moving house is a solution, but a ridiculous one. Grassing them up to the authorities might make the situation worse and (without having a quiet word first) would be harsh. Having to resort to mitigating measures like shutting windows and not going outside isn’t really right in ones own home.

I do disagree that problematic consumers of alcohol only largely harm themselves, but I won’t repeat myself from way upthread.

[aparna]

Legalities aside, reminds me of a local Facebook post I read recently, a veggie complaining about the smell of burning meat wafting from kitchens and barbies.

Is this anti social? She could form a case for meat consumption being unhealthy and anti social.

Also reminds me of folk who say they like the smell of petrol? It’s an emotional association.

[NMNeil]

aparna said:

Also reminds me of folk who say they like the smell of petrol? It’s an emotional association.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRp7tYWnJJs

[fourstardan]

NMNeil said:

In just over 3 weeks it will be legal to grow and possess weed here in New Mexico, and the true reason it's being legalized is simple; money.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/mexico-gov...

Not because Walter white really didn't get killed?

[georgeyboy12345]

I think if I was in this situation, honestly I'd move out.

[Griffith4ever]

For those that are trying to have a reasoned discussion about cannabis consumption here, judging by what I've read over 9 pages, you are absolutely 100% wasting your breath. No one is listening. This discussion has happened here before.

I will waste my breath , to at least add to the voice of reason.

In summary, those that have no idea believe (strongly).

- people who smoke weed are "stoners" (alcohol drinkers are exempt from tags like this even though they are choosing exactly the same escape path - because - "the law").
- "stoners" sit around all day smoking phat spliffs and achieve nothing in life (sure, they exist).
- "stoners" are addicted and will shortly be on meth/heroin.
- Weed stinks horrible - because it's illegal. Illegal things smell bad.
- Weed is a stepping stone to all sorts of crime.
- Smokers don't hold good jobs ( you have absolutely no idea - I just can't go into details).
- Smokers are rough kids on street corners. (My mum , to most people, is "dead posh". She smokes a joint at my BBQs and has a lovely time).
- It's illegal so it's bad.

For those that really don't have any real life experience of this - people of ALL walks of life have been, and still are, smoking weed as either an addition to alcohol, or, a total substitute.

One thing that is most certainly true is , due to prohibition, home growing has exploded. Weed is now amost exclusively UK produced. Previously it came from Afgan, Pakistan etc, and was mild, and "happy". There is no market for that now when you can skip importing/smuggling risks and hire a handful of Vietnamese to run a grow in rent-and-run accomodation. Kids want the "maddest weed" now. Mostly because thats what they think they want. Remember being young? You'd try a bottle of Gold Label as it was the strongest. They now all want the strongest, "dank" weed. This weed is causing psychotic issues, dependency (perhaps), it stinks much more than traditional weed, it's no fun. (I won't deny the current stuff is pungent - but not "offensive" unless you want to be offended)

Without prohibition there would be choice. Currently , growing is illegal, and if you are a commercial enterprise, you grow the strongest stuff you can. That's what sells. Why wouldn't you? Make it legal and all of a sudden people grow for themselves, and have a choice, and commercial growers have to diversify.

There is nothing good about prohibition at all. It's never worked, and never will.

People who do smoke weed are not morons, or people to look down on. An awful lot of you who think like that would be really shocked of you knew just how many people around you partake.

[OldGermanHeaps]

RizzoTheRat said:

His paper on "Equasy vs Ecstacy" is pretty good too, comparing horse riding with ecstacy use, many things far more dangerous than drugs that are considered perfectly acceptable. It's a strange system.

Have you ever tried riding a horse on a swedger? Its amaaaazing.

[hidetheelephants]

1602Mark said:

Researchers do not yet know the full extent of the consequences when the body and brain (especially the developing brain) are exposed to high concentrations of THC or whether the recent increases in emergency department visits by people testing positive for marijuana are related to rising potency. The extent to which people adjust for increased potency by using less or by smoking it differently is also unknown. Recent studies suggest that experienced people may adjust the amount they smoke and how much they inhale based on the believed strength of the marijuana they are using, but they are not able to fully compensate for variations in potency.30,31

Why then are rates of psychosis not going up? If weed use was causing psychosis as is often alleged rates would surely have risen steadily in line with increasing use?

Mr_Megalomaniac said:

How so? It causes psychosis, schizophrenia, paranoia and is highly addictive. It smells worse than a rotting anus and I've yet to meet one person in my life who both uses the substance and is in any way successful. To be quite frank, the only pathetic one here is you.
I advised OP a peaceful way to resolve it (which I personally would not have taken).

Evidence please. It does reek though, if you're being forced to close your windows it's a nuisance as much as a habitually barking dog or loud music late at night, although the law doesn't think so.

AJL308 said:

hucumber said:

Jonny Wishbone said:

Booze directly kills 8k per annum in this country and probably many more indirectly. When I worked in A&E a conservative 50% of people attending on Friday and Saturday nights were there either purely because they were pissed or because of something happening to them (generally assault or falling over) as a result of being pissed. How much violent crime and domestic violence is attributable to booze? Dunno, internet where I am is too crap for me to be arsed to look it up, but I guarantee it’s a huge proportion. Fancy taking a stroll through a provincial town centre late on a Friday or Saturday evening? Do you like wading through piss, vomit and dodging fights?

But hey, it doesn’t stink, so it’s all good!

I realise the above is total whataboutery and also is not aimed at the OP who I sympathise with, but it does bear considering that some folks views about weed are rooted in snobbery about other people’s choice of poison. If you don’t drink, do any drugs and eat healthily then you can probably fairly fire away at the stoners who are no doubt doing their own brains no good whatsoever but who by and large don’t really bother anybody else.

Exactly. Drunkeness is far more anti social than smoking weed, its only conditioning that makes people think any different. Theres a good podcast by Professor David Nutt about alcohol, off the top of my head he said it costs the NHS 3 billion pounds a year

These types of figures are always trotted out but they are rarely, if ever, placed in context against the revenue it raises. They are pretty meaningless (and somewhat biased) when presented only as a "cost". Alcohol is estimated to bring in £12.9bn in revenue in 2020/21. I'm not sure that that includes the VAT rake or not. So, if it disappeared that would be circa £10bn that would not be available for the NHS.

What's the opportunity cost? The lost work days, the misery, the premature death, acute and chronic ill-health, policing of vomit-stained high streets etc. Just looking at the tax receipts is absurd, although even from a utilitarian perspective if every binge-drinker suddenly swapped to hash brownies and THC gummy bears I suspect the holistic/societal costs would be far less and the tax receipts just as high.

DaveE87 said:

I think a serious conversation needs to be had in parliament about it. The US and Canada are moving in the right direction - why aren't we? It would help bring many benefits to the country in the form of jobs and tax revenue to name a couple of things.

Very much agree.