The smell of weed.
Discussion
markjmd said:
Before weed production became totally dominated by the super high potency skunk varieties that everyone uses now, it used to have a fairly pleasant, slightly herbal bonfire-like odour. The stuff that's around now just smells rank.
Yeah, the weed people were smoking at uni ~20 years ago wasn't really an issue, I didn't mind it at all.Speaking of the smell...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-4043...
A load of people in Norfolk complained about the smell of weed and it turned out to be a 23 acre weed farm... I believe it was used for hemp and CBD rather than THC but still requires a licence from the home office... Surprise, surprise. Theresa May's husband is a shareholder!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-4043...
A load of people in Norfolk complained about the smell of weed and it turned out to be a 23 acre weed farm... I believe it was used for hemp and CBD rather than THC but still requires a licence from the home office... Surprise, surprise. Theresa May's husband is a shareholder!
wicksy101 said:
Surprise, surprise. Theresa May's husband is a shareholder!
Point of order... Philip May is employed by Capital Group as a relationship manager. Capital Group manages $2.4 trillion (with a T) - their investment in GW Pharma / British Sugar is pretty immaterial to their overall profitability. See also the b
ks about him being a shareholder in G4S.NickCQ said:
Point of order... Philip May is employed by Capital Group as a relationship manager. Capital Group manages $2.4 trillion (with a T) - their investment in GW Pharma / British Sugar is pretty immaterial to their overall profitability. See also the bks about him being a shareholder in G4S.
Thanks for that. I didn't know he was trying to hide the fact that he was a shareholder in G4S.ks about him being a shareholder in G4S.I went into a music shop in Brighton when off duty. While the chap dug out an obscure item, I went to the top of the basement stairs to look at guitars. There was that certain smell. I gave the bloke a bit of a warning, suggesting he might what to smoke in the rear yard. He got miffed, shut the shop, took me to the basement. 'Smell that wall.' he told me. It was clear that it was seeping through from next door; a cafe frequented by the young.
He complained that his stock, mainly expensive guitars, had become impregnated with the smell.
I put the info to the drugs squad and they said that they knew of the situation (not problem, not lawbreaking) and regularly did obs to discover who was delivering. I told them of the next door shop's problems and they promised to do 'something'. Within a month, the cafe had closed following a raid. There was a lot of Class A being sold and the proprietors were using cannabis smoking as a cover for the hard stuff.
I went to the shop on the other side of the now closed cafe and they had had problems. This is nearly 40 years ago now, and details are obscure (it's all that cannabis addling my brain) but I seem to remember that they'd closed off their basement due to the smell.
On cannabis in the old days; the herbal stuff was about as intoxicating as a night out with a dead fish. The kick came from believing one was breaking the law and being cool. The stuff in the 90s was way stronger, even the herbal, and you could get a high from merely staying in a room where a few had been smoking. All that money I'd wasted when at art college in the 60s. I could have bought Old Holborn instead and got a real kick.
Derek Smith said:
Thanks for that. I didn't know he was trying to hide the fact that he was a shareholder in G4S.
You may have missed the point - basically anyone that has a pension is a shareholder in G4S. Accusations of cronyism wrt him are just RT disinformation. See Boris / Hancock et al for what real cronyism looks like!Since the City I live in became a: "University City", and the area I live in became one of the major student accommodation areas, the whole area stinks of weed.
You have people walking down the road who absolutely reek of weed ( and probably b!tch every time the Police stop them in the street), and quite often you have people who walk down the road openly smoking weed (which despite what some on here seem to be claiming, is not legal!).
It's got nothing to do with whether it's legal to smoke or not though - Weed stinks!
(As do pretty much all of the totally legal vape devices, that non-vapers are forced to endure! in public)
I'd love to know what the people who say: "If you don't like it, just move!" do for a living, that enables them to simply move house every time something bothers them.
In the real World, moving house is slightly more complicated than being able to: "just move".
In my case, the value of my property has been adversely affected due to being surrounded by weed smoking students, who don't give a cr4p about their neighbours, so: "just moving" is simply not an option.
You have people walking down the road who absolutely reek of weed ( and probably b!tch every time the Police stop them in the street), and quite often you have people who walk down the road openly smoking weed (which despite what some on here seem to be claiming, is not legal!).
It's got nothing to do with whether it's legal to smoke or not though - Weed stinks!
(As do pretty much all of the totally legal vape devices, that non-vapers are forced to endure! in public)
I'd love to know what the people who say: "If you don't like it, just move!" do for a living, that enables them to simply move house every time something bothers them.
In the real World, moving house is slightly more complicated than being able to: "just move".
In my case, the value of my property has been adversely affected due to being surrounded by weed smoking students, who don't give a cr4p about their neighbours, so: "just moving" is simply not an option.
RizzoTheRat said:
Mercury00 said:
When people say legalise it, they don't think about us lot who hate the smell, but will have to walk through clouds of it at hospital/ supermarket entrances.
Is that much more prevalent than cigarettes now?It also doesn't have the same foul smell and potential for head aches or side effects that public cannabis use can have.
I recall being on a stage at the WRC in Wales, and there were so many locals in the woods smoking weed that is was objectionable, and exactly what we didnt need when we were facing a four hour drive home after the event.
rainmakerraw said:
My special interest during my degree and subsequent research was the effects of delta9-THC and CBD (i.e. Cannabis ssp) on the brain; mostly the central executive and visuospatial working memory. Cannabis and its constituent pharmacology is not physically addictive, which is why people have told you that. It can be mentally/psychologically addictive in the same way as driving, having a favourite pair of socks or visiting the same shop every day. It is not, however, physically addictive in the way other dopaminergic drugs (like cocaine) are. You won't withdraw from weed like you would from harder drugs like caffeine (see what I did there?).
Caffeine's not a drug; it's a drink 
Surely cannabis is physically addictive though - there are withdrawal symptoms associated with stopping from heavy cannabis use, which surely means the brain chemistry is altered from that use? I'm no biologist, so you tell me if withdrawal symptoms equates to physical addiction.
I'm not talking about someone having the occasional spliff (much as I wouldn't call someone who has an occasional drink an alcoholic). I'm talking about the sort of person one might describe as a "chronic user".
4rephill said:
Since the City I live in became a: "University City", and the area I live in became one of the major student accommodation areas, the whole area stinks of weed.
You have people walking down the road who absolutely reek of weed ( and probably b!tch every time the Police stop them in the street), and quite often you have people who walk down the road openly smoking weed (which despite what some on here seem to be claiming, is not legal!).
It's got nothing to do with whether it's legal to smoke or not though - Weed stinks!
(As do pretty much all of the totally legal vape devices, that non-vapers are forced to endure! in public)
I'd love to know what the people who say: "If you don't like it, just move!" do for a living, that enables them to simply move house every time something bothers them.
In the real World, moving house is slightly more complicated than being able to: "just move".
In my case, the value of my property has been adversely affected due to being surrounded by weed smoking students, who don't give a cr4p about their neighbours, so: "just moving" is simply not an option.
Well said. Thank you. You have people walking down the road who absolutely reek of weed ( and probably b!tch every time the Police stop them in the street), and quite often you have people who walk down the road openly smoking weed (which despite what some on here seem to be claiming, is not legal!).
It's got nothing to do with whether it's legal to smoke or not though - Weed stinks!
(As do pretty much all of the totally legal vape devices, that non-vapers are forced to endure! in public)
I'd love to know what the people who say: "If you don't like it, just move!" do for a living, that enables them to simply move house every time something bothers them.
In the real World, moving house is slightly more complicated than being able to: "just move".
In my case, the value of my property has been adversely affected due to being surrounded by weed smoking students, who don't give a cr4p about their neighbours, so: "just moving" is simply not an option.
rainmakerraw said:
My special interest during my degree and subsequent research was the effects of delta9-THC and CBD (i.e. Cannabis ssp) on the brain; mostly the central executive and visuospatial working memory. Cannabis and its constituent pharmacology is not physically addictive, which is why people have told you that. It can be mentally/psychologically addictive in the same way as driving, having a favourite pair of socks or visiting the same shop every day. It is not, however, physically addictive in the way other dopaminergic drugs (like cocaine) are. You won't withdraw from weed like you would from harder drugs like caffeine (see what I did there?).
Have a quiet word with your neighbour and let him know the smell troubles you or that your kids are asking questions or something. Unlike alcohol or caffeine addicts, stoners, as a rule, don't tend to be a belligerent bunch. They're too busy feeling chilled.
Did you study what the effect is on driving or other work related cognitive decisions?Have a quiet word with your neighbour and let him know the smell troubles you or that your kids are asking questions or something. Unlike alcohol or caffeine addicts, stoners, as a rule, don't tend to be a belligerent bunch. They're too busy feeling chilled.
mat205125] said:
Smoking tobacco is a declining trend, and much better controlled than ever before.
It also doesn't have the same foul smell and potential for head aches or side effects that public cannabis use can have.
I recall being on a stage at the WRC in Wales, and there were so many locals in the woods smoking weed that is was objectionable, and exactly what we didn't need when we were facing a four hour drive home after the event.
Personally I find tobacco smoke way worse, however I accept that YMMVIt also doesn't have the same foul smell and potential for head aches or side effects that public cannabis use can have.
I recall being on a stage at the WRC in Wales, and there were so many locals in the woods smoking weed that is was objectionable, and exactly what we didn't need when we were facing a four hour drive home after the event.
NickCQ said:
Derek Smith said:
Thanks for that. I didn't know he was trying to hide the fact that he was a shareholder in G4S.
You may have missed the point - basically anyone that has a pension is a shareholder in G4S. Accusations of cronyism wrt him are just RT disinformation. See Boris / Hancock et al for what real cronyism looks like!donkmeister said:
rainmakerraw said:
My special interest during my degree and subsequent research was the effects of delta9-THC and CBD (i.e. Cannabis ssp) on the brain; mostly the central executive and visuospatial working memory. Cannabis and its constituent pharmacology is not physically addictive, which is why people have told you that. It can be mentally/psychologically addictive in the same way as driving, having a favourite pair of socks or visiting the same shop every day. It is not, however, physically addictive in the way other dopaminergic drugs (like cocaine) are. You won't withdraw from weed like you would from harder drugs like caffeine (see what I did there?).
Caffeine's not a drug; it's a drink Surely cannabis is physically addictive though - there are withdrawal symptoms associated with stopping from heavy cannabis use, which surely means the brain chemistry is altered from that use? I'm no biologist, so you tell me if withdrawal symptoms equates to physical addiction.
I'm not talking about someone having the occasional spliff (much as I wouldn't call someone who has an occasional drink an alcoholic). I'm talking about the sort of person one might describe as a "chronic user".
As for Cannabis, I have several clients who are addicted to the use of Cannabis.
Taken from .Gov website...
Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30% of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder.18 People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.19
Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks.20,21 Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.22,23
Marijuana use disorder becomes addiction when the person cannot stop using the drug even though it interferes with many aspects of his or her life. Estimates of the number of people addicted to marijuana are controversial, in part because epidemiological studies of substance use often use dependence as a proxy for addiction even though it is possible to be dependent without being addicted. Those studies suggest that 9% of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it,24,25 rising to about 17% in those who start using in their teens.26,27
In 2015, about 4.0 million people in the United States met the diagnostic criteria for a marijuana use disorder;3 138,000 voluntarily sought treatment for their marijuana use.28
Rising Potency
Marijuana potency, as detected in confiscated samples, has steadily increased over the past few decades. In the early 1990s, the average THC content in confiscated marijuana samples was less than 4%.2 In 2018, it was more than 15%.29 Marijuana concentrates can have much higher levels of THC (see Marijuana Concentrates DrugFacts). The increasing potency of marijuana, combined with the use of high-THC concentrates, raises concerns that the consequences of marijuana use today could be worse than in the past, particularly among those who are new to marijuana use and in young people, whose brains are still developing (see "What are marijuana’s long-term effects on the brain?").
Researchers do not yet know the full extent of the consequences when the body and brain (especially the developing brain) are exposed to high concentrations of THC or whether the recent increases in emergency department visits by people testing positive for marijuana are related to rising potency. The extent to which people adjust for increased potency by using less or by smoking it differently is also unknown. Recent studies suggest that experienced people may adjust the amount they smoke and how much they inhale based on the believed strength of the marijuana they are using, but they are not able to fully compensate for variations in potency.30,31
1602Mark said:
The increasing potency of marijuana, combined with the use of high-THC concentrates, raises concerns that the consequences of marijuana use today could be worse than in the past, particularly among those who are new to marijuana use and in young people, whose brains are still developing (see "What are marijuana’s long-term effects on the brain?").
I agree about the effects on young people, but what about the middle aged? Mercury00 said:
When people say legalise it, they don't think about us lot who hate the smell, but will have to walk through clouds of it at hospital/ supermarket entrances.
It's going to be legal here at the end of the month, and one of the caveats is that you can only smoke it in the privacy of your own home. You can also grow 12 plants for your own consumption, but the growing area has to be hidden from public view and you can't sell or barter the plants.We already have strong DUI laws, with the DUI meaning driving while intoxicated on alcohol or drugs. And the drugs can either be prescription or illicit, it doesn't matter, you drive drunk or drugged, you go to jail.
kingswood said:
smoking or growing?
smoking isn't against the law but growing carries a big charge these days.
I'd ring 101 and say next door has a grow on. and you've seen shady characters coming round at all hours.
I assume they won't be the type of people who would take advice from a friendly chat
True but the possession is. Leaving that aside I totally understand the objection. It's horrible smelling stuff. As far as I'm concerned I would have no problem legalising it but not in smokable form as most of it is just horrible. smoking isn't against the law but growing carries a big charge these days.
I'd ring 101 and say next door has a grow on. and you've seen shady characters coming round at all hours.
I assume they won't be the type of people who would take advice from a friendly chat
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