No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions

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monthou said:

bad company said:

My kind of pub.

In pretty bad taste to use Freddie Mercury for a virus-denying message.

Fair comment, I hadn’t thought of that.

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Countdown said:

Durzel said:

it really is one of the most minimally intrusive things - wearing a mask - yet for some people it's like a hill they have to die on.

It's a certain "F*k you, I'm alright jack" mentality - the type of person who does whatever they want regardless of how others might feel about it. No different in my opinion to the types who'll park in disabled /P&C parking spaces, drive in an anti-social manner, walk around with a ghetto blaster playing loud music, or pissing in a swimming pool. Fine for them, slightly distasteful for others.

I’ve never done any of the above. Given up on muzzles though.

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Stoofa said:

"muzzle" - FFS, grow up.
Why don't you compare the current lock-down & mask rules to the holocaust - that is what you lot usually do isn't it?

No, I don’t compare this situation to the holocaust nor do I use a ghetto blaster, pee in swimming pools or any of the other poo you and others accuse me of.

I’m sticking with muzzles.

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Alucidnation said:

HustleRussell said:

rscott said:

InitialDave said:

Stoofa said:

bad company said:

I’ve never done any of the above. Given up on muzzles though.

"muzzle" - FFS, grow up.

A muzzle is something you have to force a poorly socialised animal to wear in public, as you can't trust it not to be a danger to others.

There's this ironic logical loop where someone referring to masks as muzzles is likely the type where it's an appropriate term.

Back of the net.

Offside, not to mention irrelevant.

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Jonno02 said:

Correct. The primary aim of vaccinations is not to reduce transmission, but to make the host more likely to survive the infection. Secondary functions include reduction in transmission; if you don't get the symptom of sneezing because your immune system has a head start due to a vaccine you're less likely to spread infection / your body kills the virus quickly etc. Of course this is a real simplification.

Asymptomatic carriers are a huge issue. Just because you're not currently wheezing and coughing doesn't mean you're not a carrier. Vaccines do not stop you from carrying a disease and spreading it, they just reduce the chance of you dying from it/spreading it.

Of course you should still wear a mask if you're vaccinated. So because you're vaccinated and your immune system will now fight off covid with a high chance of success, you can go mask free. What if you're a carrier? Never mind anybody else's health around you that isn't vaccinated. Only your status of vaccination matters right? Once the whole country is vaccinated and a 'settling' period has passed, that's when masks will become less important.

Disagree with the risk being vanishingly small but you're entirely entitled to your opinion. But as I said, as an experienced Medical Scientist I'm sticking with my mask.

Interesting comment.

Given that Covid won’t be eradicated and will be with us for the foreseeable future when would say masks should no longer be required?

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Oceanrower said:

You do realise COVID-19 will NEVER be eradicated and is something that will be forever with us?

You happy to wear a mask for the rest of your life?

This.

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I spent half an hour shopping in a Waitrose this afternoon. There were several of us without masks/muzzles including one member of staff. Nobody said a word.

Perhaps there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

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rscott said:

Then link that to itravel insurance and holiday bookings - "Sorry Mr Bad Company, your NHS record says you can't wear face coverings. We can't insure you for scuba diving any more"

Dream on.

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Roman Rhodes said:

sevensfun said:

GasEngineer said:

What would you have done if you were challenged and the "you must wear a mask" sign pointed out to you by a member of staff or another customer?

You seem to be making out that its big and clever to not wear a mask...

Edited by GasEngineer on Tuesday 8th June 08:12

Just say: 'Im exempt'

Presumably if there are half a dozen empty disabled parking bays you’re happy to use one and just claim you’re exempt.

Nope, I’ve never parked illegally in a disabled bay. Also I didn’t see a “you must wear a mask sign” at Waitrose, I’m fairly sure there is no such sign.

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yellowjack said:

Quite. At least someone understands what I'm getting at. Do I actually think HM Government is about to do to those exempt from wearing masks what it did to Boer civilians in South Africa? No, I do not. But I am quite concerned with the constant "mission creep" associated with all things Covid. "The Science" (all kneel at the altar of a few cherrypicked virologists who say what the government wants to hear) most certainly IS being manipulated and abused as a tool to control the population. And those who have stopped thinking for themselves are to blame for letting them get away with it.

Mainstream media is a good example. They pick some names and faces, and give them a platform to spout doom and gloom. When was the last time you saw the other side of any view presented at the same time? You know, like a good old fashioned evidence-based debate, whereby we could all assess the argument and the counter argument for ourselves. But no. Anyone speaking against control measures is dismissed as either a conspiracy theorist nutjob, or they are silenced for the offence of disseminating "misinformation". Which is very much how the fascist and communist extremes of right and left used to control their populations.

And for clarity? I'm not an "anti-vaxxer". I've had my first dose and am booked for my second next week. Just before that vaccination centre is due to close for many weeks so that it can hold a Cheerleading Competition, ffs. What I definitely am, though, is weak. I gave in and had the jab for a quiet life. The same reason why I wear a mask when I don't believe that they are of any use whatsoever. I'm weak, and just want a quiet life. I ought to stand up for what I believe, but, like many of us, I think, I feel isolated. It's like one of those psychology experiments, I suspect. In the end we'll discover that 90% of the population would rebel against masks, etc, if only they realised that the others felt the same way.

And government psyops 'Project Fear' are at it again as we post on this thread. Surveys, and statements in mainstream media, claiming "young adults" are overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, and are saying that they will get 'jabbed' in large numbers. Yet anecdotal evidence from my own "young adults" and their peer groups suggests that, at best, they are reading the text inviting them to book a jab with a Gallic Shrug and ignoring it. My youngest may yet end up getting vaccinated to take a job in Japan. It's not yet certain, but the Japanese government may make it a condition of entry for him. But if not, he seems unlikely to bother with it.

Ho hum. It's not even worth bothering about arguing over this on the internet. The government will do what they want to do, and the vast majority of us will comply because that's the easiest way to live a quiet life. I'm not proud of that, and I suspect I'll regret not speaking out in protest now, when I discover I've lost some freedom or other a few years along the line. But if it creates the illusion of safety for just one blue-rinse Doris, then it'll all be worth it. Right....?

Excellent post. Begs the question why are governments all over the world (ours one of the worst) using Project Fear?

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monthou said:

bad company said:

Excellent post. Begs the question why are governments all over the world (ours one of the worst) using Project Fear?

Do you have a theory?

Fear of criticism I’d say. Matt Hancock is one of the very worst.

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PistonBroker said:

bad company said:

I spent half an hour shopping in a Waitrose this afternoon. There were several of us without masks/muzzles including one member of staff. Nobody said a word.

Perhaps there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

I saw two people in Boots last week not wearing masks. It made me double-take and I couldn't fathom why until it occurred to me the rest of us are wearing masks.

I'd wager the Waitrose staff just didn't want confrontation. I don't think the fact you weren't challenged meant they were accepting.

I’d say that the Waitrose staff will have been told no to question or challenge anyone not wearing a mask.

There were 2 unmasked Waitrose staff who presumably had valid exemptions.

Edited by bad company on Wednesday 9th June 08:00

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Leading by example.

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Looks like only the workers at the G7 BigWigs Ball had to wear muzzles.

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Stoofa said:

I genuinely cannot stop myself laughing when an internet kid calls masks muzzles.

‘Internet Kid’.

Oh well, I’ve been called worse but not a kid for a very looooooooong time.

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daveinhampshire said:

Having volunteered at a vaccination centre earlier in the year the anti mask lot were the unhealthiest looking bunch. Most of them with huge bellies and fagging away virtually up to the door before quoting some rubbish off Facebook.

I hate wearing them as much as anyone else but I also know how uncomfortable it can make other people, it's not all about me.

If we don’t stand up to some of these daft rules they’ll be with us forever.

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daveinhampshire said:

Spot on. The only places I see people not wearing masks are petrol stations and that's one or two people at most. They just make it up.

I used the London Underground last week. About 80% were muzzled up. Is that good?

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WonkeyDonkey said:

CoolHands said:

They don’t do fk all. I wear one loosely to get through the door so the poor security guard doesn’t have to confront me, then wear it under my chin. (I did actually get confronted one time quite recently when entering Morrison’s, when I had genuinely forgotten it).

I was in ikea today and once inside certainly most people either had taken it off or were wearing it under their nose / chin etc.

It’s utterly pointless.

Wow what a rebel, what's it like to have the mentality of a 5 year old?

You have no argument other than to resort to insulting someone with a different opinion. That says all we need to know about you.

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nonsequitur said:

Driver101 said:

CoolHands said:

I was in ikea today and once inside certainly most people either had taken it off or were wearing it under their nose / chin etc.

It’s utterly pointless.

Most people?

Countless people on PH keep saying in these threads that nobody is wearing masks where they go. Yet everywhere I've been seeing someone without a mask is extremely rare.

I think a lot of people are trying too hard to convince people it's ok not to wear one.

Yes. 99.999 compliance on my patch. Even anti-maskers will comply because they need the product for sale inside the shop or other commercial premises. They can't go home without it.

99.999% compliance and you accuse anti maskers of exaggerating.

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daveinhampshire said:

Give it a break. No one in here needs any credibility when it comes to masks, it's the law. Fortunately even when we disagree with the law most people do the right thing and follow it, it's the foundations of a civilised society.

The laws have been ambiguous at best. There was a time when the government intimated that we couldn’t travel between zones when they were a thing. There was never such a law. Then apparently they said we could hug again but that’s never been illegal.