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mattyprice4004 said:
RipTrip1 said:
Dont see the point in the jab, loads of people are still getting covid despite 1 or 2 vaccines lol, waste of time with zero long term studies
1/10 for effort, if you’re going to pointlessly bait people at least make it believable!V6 Pushfit said:
Electro is correct so if you want to challenge it do your own ‘research’ and prove otherwise without resorting to nutjob.com as your main source.
I've looked everywhere for long term clinical studies but they don't exist. I politely asked for sources, but so far none can be found. Go figure. 'Follow the science', they've been saying for generations...
V6 Pushfit said:
Electro is correct so if you want to challenge it do your own ‘research’ and prove otherwise without resorting to nutjob.com as your main source.
"Do your own research" often means 'google til you find a view that fits your own'. Unless we have people on this thread with teams of experts and their own labs etc?
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tters. RipTrip1 said:
Dont see the point in the jab, loads of people are still getting covid despite 1 or 2 vaccines lol, waste of time with zero long term studies
Similar case numbers to January this year but deaths 5-10% of back then, however. They have never said the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it, but that they are aimed at preventing serious side effects and reduction of death rate. So far the data seems to be supporting that.How long would you call "long term" studies? Double blind studies of the vaccines started 18-24 months ago, I'd say that's pretty long term, unless you can show me a situation where a vaccine has not had reported side effects after 18+ months and has then gone on to cause issues later? Remember, vaccines are different to drugs, and many of the drugs often reported by those against this vaccines didn't undergo the same clinical trials that this vaccine needs to pass (eg thalidomide).
robscot said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Electro is correct so if you want to challenge it do your own ‘research’ and prove otherwise without resorting to nutjob.com as your main source.
"Do your own research" often means 'google til you find a view that fits your own'. Unless we have people on this thread with teams of experts and their own labs etc?
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tters. robscot said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Electro is correct so if you want to challenge it do your own ‘research’ and prove otherwise without resorting to nutjob.com as your main source.
"Do your own research" often means 'google til you find a view that fits your own'. Unless we have people on this thread with teams of experts and their own labs etc?
Internet bulls
tters. What I’m not going to do is post more links knowing full well that the person posing the question has no interest in any answers that disagree with their already existing view. The original request was for something they know doesn’t exist. I’m not sure if this is through ignorance or malice, but either way I’m fed up with explaining basic concepts like the fact that double blind trials are the gold standard but not the only standard and not always appropriate or even possible.
RipTrip1 said:
Dont see the point in the jab, loads of people are still getting covid despite 1 or 2 vaccines lol, waste of time with zero long term studies
I had the MMR jab when I was a kid.Yet, measles is the only one of the 3 I've not caught.
Is the MMR pointless, in your mind, as well?
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Similar case numbers to January this year but deaths 5-10% of back then, however. They have never said the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it, but that they are aimed at preventing serious side effects and reduction of death rate. So far the data seems to be supporting that.
How long would you call "long term" studies? Double blind studies of the vaccines started 18-24 months ago, I'd say that's pretty long term, unless you can show me a situation where a vaccine has not had reported side effects after 18+ months and has then gone on to cause issues later? Remember, vaccines are different to drugs, and many of the drugs often reported by those against this vaccines didn't undergo the same clinical trials that this vaccine needs to pass (eg thalidomide).
Did you consider deaths might be considerably down because all the most vulnerable people are either dead already or went through recovery and came out the other end alive?How long would you call "long term" studies? Double blind studies of the vaccines started 18-24 months ago, I'd say that's pretty long term, unless you can show me a situation where a vaccine has not had reported side effects after 18+ months and has then gone on to cause issues later? Remember, vaccines are different to drugs, and many of the drugs often reported by those against this vaccines didn't undergo the same clinical trials that this vaccine needs to pass (eg thalidomide).
5 years minimum. I don't believe there has been a single long term double blind, unbiased clinical trial in the past 37 years for vaccines in general actually unless anyone knows of one?
My own personal statement seems to have triggered a few. In my mind, if I've had and recovered from Covid, and being a young, fit and healthy male with no health conditions, there is absolutely no point in getting the vaccine whatsoever. So if the media would kindly like to stop trying to guilt trip and take away my human rights that would be great. Offer the vaccine, don't manipulate the system and force the vaccine upon the population. At least the nightclub owners see the ridiculousness of it all, Covid passports won't be a thing, too many protests as it is, the media just doesn't cover them. Wasn't there one in London a couple days ago?
RipTrip1 said:
Covid passports won't be a thing, too many protests
As 88.4% of the over 17 y/o population have had their first vaccination and numbers are still increasing by a seven day average of 45k I suspect much nearer 90% of the over 17 y/o population would be happy to see covid passports rather than much more than 10% wouldn't.
But empty vessels...
71.4% over 17 y/o population is double vaccinated and make up 16% of hospital bed occupancy against 28.6% not double vaccinated making up 84% of the bed occupancy.
This is why we need people to get their vaccination, to free up beds for old ladies waiting for hip ops, cancer patients, old men waiting for stents etc. I'm sure all those people would jump at the opportunity of having a needle stuck in their arm just twice if there was a 90% effective, safe, tested 'vaccination' that would have prevented their condition.
J__Wood said:
As 88.4% of the over 17 y/o population have had their first vaccination and numbers are still increasing by a seven day average of 45k I suspect much nearer 90% of the over 17 y/o population would be happy to see covid passports rather than much more than 10% wouldn't.
But empty vessels...
71.4% over 17 y/o population is double vaccinated and make up 16% of hospital bed occupancy against 28.6% not double vaccinated making up 84% of the bed occupancy.
This is why we need people to get their vaccination, to free up beds for old ladies waiting for hip ops, cancer patients, old men waiting for stents etc. I'm sure all those people would jump at the opportunity of having a needle stuck in their arm just twice if there was a 90% effective, safe, tested 'vaccination' that would have prevented their condition.
Bang on. There will still be some Internet Wally along soon to ask for your sources, background research and links to peer reviewed trials….. But empty vessels...
71.4% over 17 y/o population is double vaccinated and make up 16% of hospital bed occupancy against 28.6% not double vaccinated making up 84% of the bed occupancy.
This is why we need people to get their vaccination, to free up beds for old ladies waiting for hip ops, cancer patients, old men waiting for stents etc. I'm sure all those people would jump at the opportunity of having a needle stuck in their arm just twice if there was a 90% effective, safe, tested 'vaccination' that would have prevented their condition.
J__Wood said:
As 88.4% of the over 17 y/o population have had their first vaccination and numbers are still increasing by a seven day average of 45k I suspect much nearer 90% of the over 17 y/o population would be happy to see covid passports rather than much more than 10% wouldn't.
But empty vessels...
71.4% over 17 y/o population is double vaccinated and make up 16% of hospital bed occupancy against 28.6% not double vaccinated making up 84% of the bed occupancy.
This is why we need people to get their vaccination, to free up beds for old ladies waiting for hip ops, cancer patients, old men waiting for stents etc. I'm sure all those people would jump at the opportunity of having a needle stuck in their arm just twice if there was a 90% effective, safe, tested 'vaccination' that would have prevented their condition.
If hospital beds are somehow still an issue we have 7 gigantic Nightingale hospitals on standby. To date they've hardly been used, maybe now is the time, considering they cost 530 million to build.But empty vessels...
71.4% over 17 y/o population is double vaccinated and make up 16% of hospital bed occupancy against 28.6% not double vaccinated making up 84% of the bed occupancy.
This is why we need people to get their vaccination, to free up beds for old ladies waiting for hip ops, cancer patients, old men waiting for stents etc. I'm sure all those people would jump at the opportunity of having a needle stuck in their arm just twice if there was a 90% effective, safe, tested 'vaccination' that would have prevented their condition.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nigh...
RipTrip1 said:
If hospital beds are somehow still an issue we have 7 gigantic Nightingale hospitals on standby. To date they've hardly been used, maybe now is the time, considering they cost 530 million to build.
https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nigh...
Great, and just take the NHS staff away from those old ladies needing their hips done etc instead. https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nigh...
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Great, and just take the NHS staff away from those old ladies needing their hips done etc instead.
Another year has passed since then, meaning another batch of graduates on pre reg programs are qualified, around 30,000 in total. Also, basically all NHS staff are vaxed now, so covid related staff shortages are not the issue they used to be. There is no excuse. What a complete waste of 530 million, out the pockets of every tax payer. bmwmike said:
bad company said:
That's probably to stop thuggish "oi what you staring at" type stuff going on and resulting in thick bds fighting.RipTrip1 said:
Another year has passed since then, meaning another batch of graduates on pre reg programs are qualified, around 30,000 in total. Also, basically all NHS staff are vaxed now, so covid related staff shortages are not the issue they used to be. There is no excuse. What a complete waste of 530 million, out the pockets of every tax payer.
So no-one has retired or died or left the profession then? That's an extra 30,000 pairs of hands to the pumps? Is that really what you're suggesting?Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff