No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
Discussion
PistonBroker said:
I saw two people in Boots last week not wearing masks. It made me double-take and I couldn't fathom why until it occurred to me the rest of us are wearing masks.
I'd wager the Waitrose staff just didn't want confrontation. I don't think the fact you weren't challenged meant they were accepting.
Well, staff have probably been instructed not to, but yes, people don't challenge either because they don't want confrontation, or because they don't want to embarrass someone who has a genuine reason for not wearing one.I'd wager the Waitrose staff just didn't want confrontation. I don't think the fact you weren't challenged meant they were accepting.
But I think most people wearing a mask think something along the lines of "I'll leave them be in case they genuinely need to go without a mask, but if not, they're a knob for taking advantage of that".
Type R Tom said:
Old Merc said:
I’m almost deaf and rely on lip reading to communicate. So you can imagine how frustrating it is for me.
Why these “meeters, greeters and hosts” don’t have clear face shields beets me?
Also many places are obsessed with technology. Download the app, click the QR code for test and trace etc. There are people in this world who do not have a smart phone.
All I have is a basic pay as you go phone for texting. When I arrived at a major pub chain place for a pint the person at the desk said if you don’t have a smart phone you can’t come in.
After a conversation about discriminating deaf and disabled people, I got my pint.
While I agree with comment about masks and deaf people, I completely disagree with the tech comment. My uncle (mid 70s) who is 100% deaf from birth is massively reliant on tech to keep in touch with friends and family (including signing over video calls) or buying us a fax machine in the 90s. He also uses tech to communicate with companies (live chat) that in the past would have needed someone to call on his behalf Why these “meeters, greeters and hosts” don’t have clear face shields beets me?
Also many places are obsessed with technology. Download the app, click the QR code for test and trace etc. There are people in this world who do not have a smart phone.
All I have is a basic pay as you go phone for texting. When I arrived at a major pub chain place for a pint the person at the desk said if you don’t have a smart phone you can’t come in.
After a conversation about discriminating deaf and disabled people, I got my pint.
Edited by Old Merc on Saturday 5th June 13:04
I find the comment about not everyone having smart phones is a little patronising, people choose to not have smart phones, it's not that they are incapable of using them, you choose not to have one its your fault.
king-do. I find your comment frankly offensive, and horribly judgmental. There are MANY people, who for MANY reasons, not least among them financial limitations, cannot have smartphones. It may be a choice of sorts, but it can be a choice between eating decent meals, or keeping a roof over their head, and having a smartphone. I have a so-called smartphone. But only because my nephew gave it to me. And it has insufficient memory to install apps. Believe me I've tried. And because it is the sort of smartphone which was supplied as a prize in an amusement arcade 'Teddy Picker' type game, it does not have a slot into which additional memory capacity can be inserted. My income is limited to £572.16 per month, paid on the 14th of each month. There's a house to run, a car to run, council tax and broadband bills, and I have to feed and clothe myself. Where do you think I'm going to find enough spare change to either buy a decent smartphone outright, or fund a mobile phone contract? Clue: I've checked down the back of all three sofas, and found nothing...
Gareth1974 said:
I really struggle with mask wearing, and have always had problems with having my nose and mouth covered. And this includes masks for snorkelling, which sometimes, but not always, bring on panic attacks - just like the ones I suffer when attempting to wear a mask at the moment.
As a result, I've not felt able to try scuba diving, due to my fear of a panic attack underwater. I try snorkelling instead, and stay in shallow water in case I have a problem. I've been to some places where I'd have loved to have gone diving - Hawaii/Caribbean - but I've had to accept that it's not something I can do.
I try to wear a mask at the moment for fear of being subjected to abuse, or being denied entry to places, sometimes I can cope for the length of a shopping trip, other times I have to abandon what I'm doing if the panic attacks start. I try to avoid situations where I'd need to wear a mask for any length of time, like a cinema.
I am envious of people who can wear a mask with little discomfort.
Even though I genuinely have a lung problem from a pulmonary infarction I suffered, my issues are anxiety related.
I also had a horrible spell of anxiety attacks, it started a few years before all this, but the attacks made me lose confidence especially in enclosed indoor spaces. It sounds pathetic for a grown man but I could feel myself getting hot in those situations and it made me think I’d pass out again. Anyone who’s been through anxiety attacks would probably understand how wearing a mask can feel. I gave it a try when I was told ‘I had to wear one’ to drop my car off for service, and sure enough within a few minutes I was sweating, feeling sick and dizzy. I’ve been in other shops and the same happened. Since August I’ve said I’m exempt but the mood on that changed in late autumn when project fear really took hold again. For months I just did click and collect shopping and didn’t go in a shop at all to avoid being stigmatised. Then work introduced them in February and I had to tell my boss I was exempt. It was incredibly embarrassing and as good as she was about it that shouldn’t have been necessary, it’s all about virtue signalling rather than being an effective barrier to viral transmission (and asymptomatic people do not drive transmission, it’s incredibly rare despite the messaging). I’ve had a few people question me at work and even denied entry into a church where everyone else in there had been invited in for breakfast...every single person inside was unmasked and eating or drinking coffee but I had to wait outside. I would have taken it further if that hadn’t been work-related, but it shows the absolute absurd and discriminatory nature of this. I guess the church hadn’t read Revelations and noted the ‘mark of the beast’.As a result, I've not felt able to try scuba diving, due to my fear of a panic attack underwater. I try snorkelling instead, and stay in shallow water in case I have a problem. I've been to some places where I'd have loved to have gone diving - Hawaii/Caribbean - but I've had to accept that it's not something I can do.
I try to wear a mask at the moment for fear of being subjected to abuse, or being denied entry to places, sometimes I can cope for the length of a shopping trip, other times I have to abandon what I'm doing if the panic attacks start. I try to avoid situations where I'd need to wear a mask for any length of time, like a cinema.
I am envious of people who can wear a mask with little discomfort.
Even though I genuinely have a lung problem from a pulmonary infarction I suffered, my issues are anxiety related.
sevensfun said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Not sure doubling down is a great look: lis about exemption and then lie about not knowing the rules.
What do you mean lie about exception? You don’t need a dr to decide you’re exempt People with a disability that means they can't wear a mask can 'self certify' their exemption.
Those that don't have a disability and choose to 'self certify' as exempt are telling lies. It isn't difficult to understand if you don't have the mindset of a petulant child.
Riley Blue said:
exelero said:
The way I see it, No one gives a toss weather you have your mask on or not. I actively keep ,,forgetting” to west it and no one really says anything
You would have been spoken to if you'd turned up without a mask at my local vaccination centre.Gareth1974 said:
I really struggle with mask wearing, and have always had problems with having my nose and mouth covered. And this includes masks for snorkelling, which sometimes, but not always, bring on panic attacks - just like the ones I suffer when attempting to wear a mask at the moment.
As a result, I've not felt able to try scuba diving, due to my fear of a panic attack underwater. I try snorkelling instead, and stay in shallow water in case I have a problem. I've been to some places where I'd have loved to have gone diving - Hawaii/Caribbean - but I've had to accept that it's not something I can do.
I try to wear a mask at the moment for fear of being subjected to abuse, or being denied entry to places, sometimes I can cope for the length of a shopping trip, other times I have to abandon what I'm doing if the panic attacks start. I try to avoid situations where I'd need to wear a mask for any length of time, like a cinema.
I am envious of people who can wear a mask with little discomfort.
Even though I genuinely have a lung problem from a pulmonary infarction I suffered, my issues are anxiety related.
Taking what you have just written, you are exempt. Buy a lanyard off eBay if it makes it easier but there's no requirement to have one. Three magic words is all that's needed. As a result, I've not felt able to try scuba diving, due to my fear of a panic attack underwater. I try snorkelling instead, and stay in shallow water in case I have a problem. I've been to some places where I'd have loved to have gone diving - Hawaii/Caribbean - but I've had to accept that it's not something I can do.
I try to wear a mask at the moment for fear of being subjected to abuse, or being denied entry to places, sometimes I can cope for the length of a shopping trip, other times I have to abandon what I'm doing if the panic attacks start. I try to avoid situations where I'd need to wear a mask for any length of time, like a cinema.
I am envious of people who can wear a mask with little discomfort.
Even though I genuinely have a lung problem from a pulmonary infarction I suffered, my issues are anxiety related.
"I am exempt"
If any individual or company is bigoted enough to still refuse you access just turn around and go elsewhere. I know it's easier said than done but anyone who has an issue with you not wearing one is no different to racist or homophobe. Just pity them instead.
LightningBlue said:
I gave it a try when I was told ‘I had to wear one’ to drop my car off for service, and sure enough within a few minutes I was sweating, feeling sick and dizzy. I’ve been in other shops and the same happened.
You're exactly the kind of person the exemption is meant for, it's the people using it unnecessarily that are the problem.yellowjack said:
Type R Tom said:
Old Merc said:
I’m almost deaf and rely on lip reading to communicate. So you can imagine how frustrating it is for me.
Why these “meeters, greeters and hosts” don’t have clear face shields beets me?
Also many places are obsessed with technology. Download the app, click the QR code for test and trace etc. There are people in this world who do not have a smart phone.
All I have is a basic pay as you go phone for texting. When I arrived at a major pub chain place for a pint the person at the desk said if you don’t have a smart phone you can’t come in.
After a conversation about discriminating deaf and disabled people, I got my pint.
While I agree with comment about masks and deaf people, I completely disagree with the tech comment. My uncle (mid 70s) who is 100% deaf from birth is massively reliant on tech to keep in touch with friends and family (including signing over video calls) or buying us a fax machine in the 90s. He also uses tech to communicate with companies (live chat) that in the past would have needed someone to call on his behalf Why these “meeters, greeters and hosts” don’t have clear face shields beets me?
Also many places are obsessed with technology. Download the app, click the QR code for test and trace etc. There are people in this world who do not have a smart phone.
All I have is a basic pay as you go phone for texting. When I arrived at a major pub chain place for a pint the person at the desk said if you don’t have a smart phone you can’t come in.
After a conversation about discriminating deaf and disabled people, I got my pint.
Edited by Old Merc on Saturday 5th June 13:04
I find the comment about not everyone having smart phones is a little patronising, people choose to not have smart phones, it's not that they are incapable of using them, you choose not to have one its your fault.
king-do. I find your comment frankly offensive, and horribly judgmental. There are MANY people, who for MANY reasons, not least among them financial limitations, cannot have smartphones. It may be a choice of sorts, but it can be a choice between eating decent meals, or keeping a roof over their head, and having a smartphone. I have a so-called smartphone. But only because my nephew gave it to me. And it has insufficient memory to install apps. Believe me I've tried. And because it is the sort of smartphone which was supplied as a prize in an amusement arcade 'Teddy Picker' type game, it does not have a slot into which additional memory capacity can be inserted. My income is limited to £572.16 per month, paid on the 14th of each month. There's a house to run, a car to run, council tax and broadband bills, and I have to feed and clothe myself. Where do you think I'm going to find enough spare change to either buy a decent smartphone outright, or fund a mobile phone contract? Clue: I've checked down the back of all three sofas, and found nothing...
We need to draw a line somewhere, when there are cost savings to be made with more stuff can be put online (opposed to someone sitting waiting for a call) the better.
Just an edit to add, for the cost of less than 2 pints per month, an android phone with data
https://www.mobiles.co.uk/oppo-a15-black?tariffcod...
Edited by Type R Tom on Tuesday 8th June 12:54
bern said:
I know it's easier said than done but anyone who has an issue with you not wearing one is no different to racist or homophobe. Just pity them instead.
sevensfun said:
How do you know people are using it unnecessarily?
My brother in law is one example. He has no exemption to wearing a mask and will happily wear his ebay purchased lanyard saying he is exempt. His reason is that he wont be told by the government to wear one. He also believes in a lot of conspiracy theories around New World Order, 5G, government tracking etc. Even claimed that the government scrapped the Genocide Act last month to cover up people dying of COVID. Not sure if there is a connection....Edited by pavarotti1980 on Tuesday 8th June 12:53
Countdown said:
Several days ago someone mentioned Taiwan and their mask mandate. They’ve had very low numbers of infections and deaths. Pure coincidence?
Hard to distinguish the effect of the masks from the effect of them being physically and mentally stronger than us - I hear that even their asthmatics and COPD sufferers have such good lung function they can manage to breathe through a mask, and that they have a complete lack of snowflakes. Incredible.otolith said:
Hard to distinguish the effect of the masks from the effect of them being physically and mentally stronger than us - I hear that even their asthmatics and COPD sufferers have such good lung function they can manage to breathe through a mask, and that they have a complete lack of snowflakes. Incredible.
More likely more due to being less of a nation of fat gits Gareth1974 said:
I really struggle with mask wearing, and have always had problems with having my nose and mouth covered. And this includes masks for snorkelling, which sometimes, but not always, bring on panic attacks - just like the ones I suffer when attempting to wear a mask at the moment.
As a result, I've not felt able to try scuba diving, due to my fear of a panic attack underwater. I try snorkelling instead, and stay in shallow water in case I have a problem. I've been to some places where I'd have loved to have gone diving - Hawaii/Caribbean - but I've had to accept that it's not something I can do.
I try to wear a mask at the moment for fear of being subjected to abuse, or being denied entry to places, sometimes I can cope for the length of a shopping trip, other times I have to abandon what I'm doing if the panic attacks start. I try to avoid situations where I'd need to wear a mask for any length of time, like a cinema.
I am envious of people who can wear a mask with little discomfort.
Even though I genuinely have a lung problem from a pulmonary infarction I suffered, my issues are anxiety related.
Funnily enough this is pretty similar to me. I nearly drowned twice as a child, swimming pool first and then trapped in serious kelp in the sea. I still go in the sea, but only in certain circumstances and to allow my daughter to enjoy it. As it's only a few times a year I live with it. Funnily enough I would happily swim with scuba gear as my face would have a direct link to oxygen As a result, I've not felt able to try scuba diving, due to my fear of a panic attack underwater. I try snorkelling instead, and stay in shallow water in case I have a problem. I've been to some places where I'd have loved to have gone diving - Hawaii/Caribbean - but I've had to accept that it's not something I can do.
I try to wear a mask at the moment for fear of being subjected to abuse, or being denied entry to places, sometimes I can cope for the length of a shopping trip, other times I have to abandon what I'm doing if the panic attacks start. I try to avoid situations where I'd need to wear a mask for any length of time, like a cinema.
I am envious of people who can wear a mask with little discomfort.
Even though I genuinely have a lung problem from a pulmonary infarction I suffered, my issues are anxiety related.
I wore face masks to start with, but my wife made me realise it was causing me issues and so I stopped. I don't wear an exemption badge as I don't believe anyone should have to broadcast a 'disability', so I'm happy for shop workers/security to check with me, and bar one vile, ignorant, POS shop worker, it's all been fine. However I do not believe it's the job of other shoppers to question non-mask wearers and they will get a polite pushback from me if they do so.
FNG said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
yellowjack said:
My income is limited to £572.16 per month, paid on the 14th of each month.
Your income may currently be 500-odd quid, but there's nothing to stop you seeking additional paid employment, is there? k do you know?Calm down.
Type R Tom said:
I am talking in the context of the pub, frankly if you can afford a pint in the pub then you can afford a smart phone.
We need to draw a line somewhere, when there are cost savings to be made with more stuff can be put online (opposed to someone sitting waiting for a call) the better.
Just an edit to add, for the cost of less than 2 pints per month, an android phone with data
https://www.mobiles.co.uk/oppo-a15-black?tariffcod...
Interesting. Perhaps I can save the money I already DON'T SPEND on booze because I don't drink to buy this mythical mobile phone. Or I could give up smoking cigarettes that I ALREADY DON'T SMOKE. This hypothetical money of which you speak, pray, tell me how I should recognise it? Because it doesn't exist as far as I can tell. And you can keep chucking these suggestions out as long as you wish. It still won't help, and it still won't make your assertions any less offensive to people whose circumstances you clearly fail to understand. I treated myself to a Kit Kat the other day, on my way home from my first Covid vaccination. Then I walked past a homeless chap in the park. I had nothing else to give him, and because I hadn't yet opened it I gave him the Kit Kat and went without. Perhaps if you are so concerned that there are folk out there without smartphones, you'd like to follow my example and give away something you have to someone who isn't so fortunate?We need to draw a line somewhere, when there are cost savings to be made with more stuff can be put online (opposed to someone sitting waiting for a call) the better.
Just an edit to add, for the cost of less than 2 pints per month, an android phone with data
https://www.mobiles.co.uk/oppo-a15-black?tariffcod...
Edited by Type R Tom on Tuesday 8th June 12:54
FNG said:
He didn't ask, he presumed. It was an arrogant question deserving of comment.
Use of a nasty naughty swearyword doesn't automatically mean defcon 4. I come from a place where fk just indicates there's a verb coming soon.
But in this place any excuse to hit the report function by the land of the easily offended Use of a nasty naughty swearyword doesn't automatically mean defcon 4. I come from a place where f
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