No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
Discussion
CharlesdeGaulle said:
yellowjack said:
My income is limited to £572.16 per month, paid on the 14th of each month.
Your income may currently be 500-odd quid, but there's nothing to stop you seeking additional paid employment, is there? 
We have plenty of experience in my household regarding seeking paid employment. And it often isn't anywhere near are simple as folk like you seem to think it is. It's taken my son 18 months to get a job. And after graduating with a zoology degree he's now serving sausage rolls and coffee at Greggs.
Me? I'm happily retired. As i pointed out, my income covers my bills but doesn't stretch to a (new) smartphone. I already own one that does all the things I'd use one for, and it costs me less than the price of a steak bake to run per month on pay-as-you-go. I'm not concerned that my smartphone isn't either new, or particularly flash, but others seem to be. If there are going to be businesses discriminating against folk by refusing service on the basis of being unable to scan a QR code, then there are going to be court cases brought against such establishments by campaign groups. There is no mandate that requires ownership/use of a mobile phone and app for "track and trace" purposes. It is perfectly acceptable to write your contact details on a sheet of paper. A situation I am entirely comfortable with.
As ever with Covid, people seem to have stop thinking about WHY we do/don't do certain things, and get fixated on use of one particular device/method for compliance. It's either about "stopping the spread" or it's some sinister form of psychological warfare aimed at subduing and controlling the population. And if you are going to convince me that it's NOT about control for control's sake, then you are going to have to admit that expecting everyone to purchase a device capable of running the NHS app simply on the grounds that it's cheaper and easier for ministers, is simply not acceptable.
yellowjack said:
Type R Tom said:
I am talking in the context of the pub, frankly if you can afford a pint in the pub then you can afford a smart phone.
We need to draw a line somewhere, when there are cost savings to be made with more stuff can be put online (opposed to someone sitting waiting for a call) the better.
Just an edit to add, for the cost of less than 2 pints per month, an android phone with data
https://www.mobiles.co.uk/oppo-a15-black?tariffcod...
Interesting. Perhaps I can save the money I already DON'T SPEND on booze because I don't drink to buy this mythical mobile phone. Or I could give up smoking cigarettes that I ALREADY DON'T SMOKE. This hypothetical money of which you speak, pray, tell me how I should recognise it? Because it doesn't exist as far as I can tell. And you can keep chucking these suggestions out as long as you wish. It still won't help, and it still won't make your assertions any less offensive to people whose circumstances you clearly fail to understand. I treated myself to a Kit Kat the other day, on my way home from my first Covid vaccination. Then I walked past a homeless chap in the park. I had nothing else to give him, and because I hadn't yet opened it I gave him the Kit Kat and went without. Perhaps if you are so concerned that there are folk out there without smartphones, you'd like to follow my example and give away something you have to someone who isn't so fortunate?We need to draw a line somewhere, when there are cost savings to be made with more stuff can be put online (opposed to someone sitting waiting for a call) the better.
Just an edit to add, for the cost of less than 2 pints per month, an android phone with data
https://www.mobiles.co.uk/oppo-a15-black?tariffcod...
Edited by Type R Tom on Tuesday 8th June 12:54
The cost of a smart phone is less than running a land line now, if you chose to spend money on no essentials in life then you can not complain when you can't access services online that, whether you like it or not, are becoming an essential part of functioning in 2021. I'm guessing your paying out for a land line and internet right now, maybe it would be better to cancel both and use the money for a smart phone and data and use it as a mobile hot spot for your PC when at home. Might work out cheaper in the long run? Just an idea as you asked for one.
Type R Tom said:
I don't know whether you are purposely being obtuse but original point wasn't aimed at you. The OP said about being discriminated against by being deaf and not having a smart phone to check in at the pub. My point was most people (that can afford to drink in a pub) should have the ability to own a smart phone, if you can't afford a smart phone then you probably can't afford a to be a pub regular, other than the occasional circumstance where it's someone else's treat I suppose. Also, smart phones, in my experience of deaf family members, is an extremely important part of their life, for my 70+ year old uncle it would be like losing an arm if he didn't have one.
The cost of a smart phone is less than running a land line now, if you chose to spend money on no essentials in life then you can not complain when you can't access services online that, whether you like it or not, are becoming an essential part of functioning in 2021. I'm guessing your paying out for a land line and internet right now, maybe it would be better to cancel both and use the money for a smart phone and data and use it as a mobile hot spot for your PC when at home. Might work out cheaper in the long run? Just an idea as you asked for one.
Not a very good idea as speeds are slower on mobile and mostly limited in data use The cost of a smart phone is less than running a land line now, if you chose to spend money on no essentials in life then you can not complain when you can't access services online that, whether you like it or not, are becoming an essential part of functioning in 2021. I'm guessing your paying out for a land line and internet right now, maybe it would be better to cancel both and use the money for a smart phone and data and use it as a mobile hot spot for your PC when at home. Might work out cheaper in the long run? Just an idea as you asked for one.
sevensfun said:
Not a very good idea as speeds are slower on mobile and mostly limited in data use
I guess it depends on the area / contract. I've not had an issue in the past.Doesn't matter anyway, according to above he does have a smart phone on P&G which makes all this arguing moot.
FNG said:
He didn't ask, he presumed. It was an arrogant question deserving of comment.
Use of a nasty naughty swearyword doesn't automatically mean defcon 4. I come from a place where f
k just indicates there's a verb coming soon.
I did ask, hence the question mark, and I presumed nothing. Not sure why you felt you needed to pile-in with accusations of arrogance, but I too am a fan of occasional profanity. Use of a nasty naughty swearyword doesn't automatically mean defcon 4. I come from a place where f
k just indicates there's a verb coming soon.sevensfun said:
InitialDave said:
You're exactly the kind of person the exemption is meant for, it's the people using it unnecessarily that are the problem.
How do you know people are using it unnecessarily?sevensfun said:
Not a very good idea as speeds are slower on mobile and mostly limited in data use
I've just binned my landline broadband, as I was getting 10mbps down and 1 up. On an unlimited 4G broadband contract I'm getting 30-50 down and 20 up, unlimited, no more expensive (actually a lot cheaper as the landline was out of contract, but about the same price as a new contract)Oceanrower said:
donkmeister said:
You do realise COVID-19 has not been totally eradicated, whereas after the war was over there weren't rogue Luftwaffe planes flying around bombing Britain.
You do realise COVID-19 will NEVER be eradicated and is something that will be forever with us?You happy to wear a mask for the rest of your life?
As you well know, the point being addressed there was that matey thought COVID was eradicated, so people wearing masks were equivalent to people sat around after the war in bomb shelters. Look here:
donkmeister said:
steveo3002 said:
V8covin said:
God forbid any of you anti maskers were around in ww1,ww2,gas masks nah, it's all fake mate,no need
was it required to still wear them after the war was over ?did they sit in the bomb shelter even when the bombers had passed? just incase another plane was on its way ?
Your analogy is that people decided to ignore the Luftwaffe after the first wave of the Blitz because in their view the danger has passed...
* It's really not a complex concept. We've already had one person make us all cringe by insisting how clever he is but TBH you really don't need to be a scientist to understand this. It's totally intuitive to anyone who grew up in the developed world in the 20th or 21st centuries.
yellowjack said:
Quite. At least someone understands what I'm getting at. Do I actually think HM Government is about to do to those exempt from wearing masks what it did to Boer civilians in South Africa? No, I do not. But I am quite concerned with the constant "mission creep" associated with all things Covid. "The Science" (all kneel at the altar of a few cherrypicked virologists who say what the government wants to hear) most certainly IS being manipulated and abused as a tool to control the population. And those who have stopped thinking for themselves are to blame for letting them get away with it.
Mainstream media is a good example. They pick some names and faces, and give them a platform to spout doom and gloom. When was the last time you saw the other side of any view presented at the same time? You know, like a good old fashioned evidence-based debate, whereby we could all assess the argument and the counter argument for ourselves. But no. Anyone speaking against control measures is dismissed as either a conspiracy theorist nutjob, or they are silenced for the offence of disseminating "misinformation". Which is very much how the fascist and communist extremes of right and left used to control their populations.
And for clarity? I'm not an "anti-vaxxer". I've had my first dose and am booked for my second next week. Just before that vaccination centre is due to close for many weeks so that it can hold a Cheerleading Competition, ffs. What I definitely am, though, is weak. I gave in and had the jab for a quiet life. The same reason why I wear a mask when I don't believe that they are of any use whatsoever. I'm weak, and just want a quiet life. I ought to stand up for what I believe, but, like many of us, I think, I feel isolated. It's like one of those psychology experiments, I suspect. In the end we'll discover that 90% of the population would rebel against masks, etc, if only they realised that the others felt the same way.
And government psyops 'Project Fear' are at it again as we post on this thread. Surveys, and statements in mainstream media, claiming "young adults" are overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, and are saying that they will get 'jabbed' in large numbers. Yet anecdotal evidence from my own "young adults" and their peer groups suggests that, at best, they are reading the text inviting them to book a jab with a Gallic Shrug and ignoring it. My youngest may yet end up getting vaccinated to take a job in Japan. It's not yet certain, but the Japanese government may make it a condition of entry for him. But if not, he seems unlikely to bother with it.
Ho hum. It's not even worth bothering about arguing over this on the internet. The government will do what they want to do, and the vast majority of us will comply because that's the easiest way to live a quiet life. I'm not proud of that, and I suspect I'll regret not speaking out in protest now, when I discover I've lost some freedom or other a few years along the line. But if it creates the illusion of safety for just one blue-rinse Doris, then it'll all be worth it. Right....?
Superb post. Good for you. Sadly it will be largely ignored here.Mainstream media is a good example. They pick some names and faces, and give them a platform to spout doom and gloom. When was the last time you saw the other side of any view presented at the same time? You know, like a good old fashioned evidence-based debate, whereby we could all assess the argument and the counter argument for ourselves. But no. Anyone speaking against control measures is dismissed as either a conspiracy theorist nutjob, or they are silenced for the offence of disseminating "misinformation". Which is very much how the fascist and communist extremes of right and left used to control their populations.
And for clarity? I'm not an "anti-vaxxer". I've had my first dose and am booked for my second next week. Just before that vaccination centre is due to close for many weeks so that it can hold a Cheerleading Competition, ffs. What I definitely am, though, is weak. I gave in and had the jab for a quiet life. The same reason why I wear a mask when I don't believe that they are of any use whatsoever. I'm weak, and just want a quiet life. I ought to stand up for what I believe, but, like many of us, I think, I feel isolated. It's like one of those psychology experiments, I suspect. In the end we'll discover that 90% of the population would rebel against masks, etc, if only they realised that the others felt the same way.
And government psyops 'Project Fear' are at it again as we post on this thread. Surveys, and statements in mainstream media, claiming "young adults" are overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, and are saying that they will get 'jabbed' in large numbers. Yet anecdotal evidence from my own "young adults" and their peer groups suggests that, at best, they are reading the text inviting them to book a jab with a Gallic Shrug and ignoring it. My youngest may yet end up getting vaccinated to take a job in Japan. It's not yet certain, but the Japanese government may make it a condition of entry for him. But if not, he seems unlikely to bother with it.
Ho hum. It's not even worth bothering about arguing over this on the internet. The government will do what they want to do, and the vast majority of us will comply because that's the easiest way to live a quiet life. I'm not proud of that, and I suspect I'll regret not speaking out in protest now, when I discover I've lost some freedom or other a few years along the line. But if it creates the illusion of safety for just one blue-rinse Doris, then it'll all be worth it. Right....?
I'm the same as you but with one difference, Ive chosen the harder path. I'm tough skinned enough, and I've found the vast majority of places are ok with it. I can't drink at my local mind you as they know me well but don't know about my anxiety (so assumed I'm pulling a fast one). I got barked at in the beer garden asking me to explain my disability. I left and never returned. No one anywhere else has asked, and have almost exclusively been great. I definitely hear the odd tut in the supermarket (from types like a few of the posters here) .It helps I live in a practically covid free area. It would be different in Bolton I assume.
To the other anxiety posters on this thread, you are not weak, and you are 100% justified. If non anxiety sufferers had any idea at all of how horrific an attack is (or equally, the fear of one) and that the masks can trigger it, they would not be rolling their eyes and making the dismissive assumptions they are on here. And that is just one hidden disability of many I assume.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Tuesday 8th June 17:32
yellowjack said:
As ever with Covid, people seem to have stop thinking about WHY we do/don't do certain things, and get fixated on use of one particular device/method for compliance. It's either about "stopping the spread" or it's some sinister form of psychological warfare aimed at subduing and controlling the population. And if you are going to convince me that it's NOT about control for control's sake, then you are going to have to admit that expecting everyone to purchase a device capable of running the NHS app simply on the grounds that it's cheaper and easier for ministers, is simply not acceptable.
Can you fill in the underpants gap as to why governments would want to do this rather than getting life back to normal? 
Griffith4ever said:
yellowjack said:
Quite. At least someone understands what I'm getting at. Do I actually think HM Government is about to do to those exempt from wearing masks what it did to Boer civilians in South Africa? No, I do not. But I am quite concerned with the constant "mission creep" associated with all things Covid. "The Science" (all kneel at the altar of a few cherrypicked virologists who say what the government wants to hear) most certainly IS being manipulated and abused as a tool to control the population. And those who have stopped thinking for themselves are to blame for letting them get away with it.
Mainstream media is a good example. They pick some names and faces, and give them a platform to spout doom and gloom. When was the last time you saw the other side of any view presented at the same time? You know, like a good old fashioned evidence-based debate, whereby we could all assess the argument and the counter argument for ourselves. But no. Anyone speaking against control measures is dismissed as either a conspiracy theorist nutjob, or they are silenced for the offence of disseminating "misinformation". Which is very much how the fascist and communist extremes of right and left used to control their populations.
And for clarity? I'm not an "anti-vaxxer". I've had my first dose and am booked for my second next week. Just before that vaccination centre is due to close for many weeks so that it can hold a Cheerleading Competition, ffs. What I definitely am, though, is weak. I gave in and had the jab for a quiet life. The same reason why I wear a mask when I don't believe that they are of any use whatsoever. I'm weak, and just want a quiet life. I ought to stand up for what I believe, but, like many of us, I think, I feel isolated. It's like one of those psychology experiments, I suspect. In the end we'll discover that 90% of the population would rebel against masks, etc, if only they realised that the others felt the same way.
And government psyops 'Project Fear' are at it again as we post on this thread. Surveys, and statements in mainstream media, claiming "young adults" are overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, and are saying that they will get 'jabbed' in large numbers. Yet anecdotal evidence from my own "young adults" and their peer groups suggests that, at best, they are reading the text inviting them to book a jab with a Gallic Shrug and ignoring it. My youngest may yet end up getting vaccinated to take a job in Japan. It's not yet certain, but the Japanese government may make it a condition of entry for him. But if not, he seems unlikely to bother with it.
Ho hum. It's not even worth bothering about arguing over this on the internet. The government will do what they want to do, and the vast majority of us will comply because that's the easiest way to live a quiet life. I'm not proud of that, and I suspect I'll regret not speaking out in protest now, when I discover I've lost some freedom or other a few years along the line. But if it creates the illusion of safety for just one blue-rinse Doris, then it'll all be worth it. Right....?
Superb post. Good for you. Sadly it will be largely ignored here.Mainstream media is a good example. They pick some names and faces, and give them a platform to spout doom and gloom. When was the last time you saw the other side of any view presented at the same time? You know, like a good old fashioned evidence-based debate, whereby we could all assess the argument and the counter argument for ourselves. But no. Anyone speaking against control measures is dismissed as either a conspiracy theorist nutjob, or they are silenced for the offence of disseminating "misinformation". Which is very much how the fascist and communist extremes of right and left used to control their populations.
And for clarity? I'm not an "anti-vaxxer". I've had my first dose and am booked for my second next week. Just before that vaccination centre is due to close for many weeks so that it can hold a Cheerleading Competition, ffs. What I definitely am, though, is weak. I gave in and had the jab for a quiet life. The same reason why I wear a mask when I don't believe that they are of any use whatsoever. I'm weak, and just want a quiet life. I ought to stand up for what I believe, but, like many of us, I think, I feel isolated. It's like one of those psychology experiments, I suspect. In the end we'll discover that 90% of the population would rebel against masks, etc, if only they realised that the others felt the same way.
And government psyops 'Project Fear' are at it again as we post on this thread. Surveys, and statements in mainstream media, claiming "young adults" are overwhelmingly in favour of vaccination, and are saying that they will get 'jabbed' in large numbers. Yet anecdotal evidence from my own "young adults" and their peer groups suggests that, at best, they are reading the text inviting them to book a jab with a Gallic Shrug and ignoring it. My youngest may yet end up getting vaccinated to take a job in Japan. It's not yet certain, but the Japanese government may make it a condition of entry for him. But if not, he seems unlikely to bother with it.
Ho hum. It's not even worth bothering about arguing over this on the internet. The government will do what they want to do, and the vast majority of us will comply because that's the easiest way to live a quiet life. I'm not proud of that, and I suspect I'll regret not speaking out in protest now, when I discover I've lost some freedom or other a few years along the line. But if it creates the illusion of safety for just one blue-rinse Doris, then it'll all be worth it. Right....?
I'm the same as you but with one difference, Ive chosen the harder path. I'm tough skinned enough, and I've found the vast majority of places are ok with it. I can't drink at my local mind you as they know me well but don't know about my anxiety (so assumed I'm pulling a fast one). I got barked at in the beer garden asking me to explain my disability. I left and never returned. No one anywhere else has asked, and have almost exclusively been great. I definitely hear the odd tut in the supermarket (from types like a few of the posters here) .It helps I live in a practically covid free area. It would be different in Bolton I assume.
To the other anxiety posters on this thread, you are not weak, and you are 100% justified. If non anxiety sufferers had any idea at all of how horrific an attack is (or equally, the fear of one) and that the masks can trigger it, they would not be rolling their eyes and making the dismissive assumptions they are on here. And that is just one hidden disability of many I assume.
Edited by Griffith4ever on Tuesday 8th June 17:32
sevensfun said:
InitialDave said:
You're exactly the kind of person the exemption is meant for, it's the people using it unnecessarily that are the problem.
How do you know people are using it unnecessarily?k all in the context they are being used.They are the perfect example of a bad law.
PistonBroker said:
bad company said:
I spent half an hour shopping in a Waitrose this afternoon. There were several of us without masks/muzzles including one member of staff. Nobody said a word.
Perhaps there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
I saw two people in Boots last week not wearing masks. It made me double-take and I couldn't fathom why until it occurred to me the rest of us are wearing masks. Perhaps there’s light at the end of the tunnel.
I'd wager the Waitrose staff just didn't want confrontation. I don't think the fact you weren't challenged meant they were accepting.
There were 2 unmasked Waitrose staff who presumably had valid exemptions.
Edited by bad company on Wednesday 9th June 08:00
PistonBroker said:
I saw two people in Boots last week not wearing masks. It made me double-take and I couldn't fathom why until it occurred to me the rest of us are wearing masks.
I'd wager the Waitrose staff just didn't want confrontation. I don't think the fact you weren't challenged meant they were accepting.
I reckon you are likely correct, as they probably get a small number of equally small minded people doing it just to get a reaction.I'd wager the Waitrose staff just didn't want confrontation. I don't think the fact you weren't challenged meant they were accepting.
It's not uncommon down here at all, and increasing. Some smaller shops are totally unmasked, larger chains have visible smiles sprouting up here and there, same pub staff are now unmasked. It's definitely on the increase.
I took my car to a garage and the guy asked if I wanted him masked, I said god no, and he was relieved but said he has to ask of course as some customers would run a mile) None of them masked. In carpet right an unmasked employee asked if I wanted the pen she handed me antibac wiped, I laughed and said god no. We had a good chat. She wasn't the only unmasked but they made her sit behind a screen. A colleague of hers was not masked and not confined to a desk.
In pubs and restaurants they seem to swing one way or the other, catering for both crowds. Either they are stringent (in a German accent), or rather laid back. You can then make your choice. The one environment that is utterly rediculous is pub gardens where some make you mask up to stand up and walk out the garden gate to your car. I guess some find it easier to stick to (or gold plate) the exact regulations than apply a bit of common sense. Then again those pubs are usually filled with older people who perhaps like it that way. All parties are catered for, you just choose your preferred pub :-)
I took my car to a garage and the guy asked if I wanted him masked, I said god no, and he was relieved but said he has to ask of course as some customers would run a mile) None of them masked. In carpet right an unmasked employee asked if I wanted the pen she handed me antibac wiped, I laughed and said god no. We had a good chat. She wasn't the only unmasked but they made her sit behind a screen. A colleague of hers was not masked and not confined to a desk.
In pubs and restaurants they seem to swing one way or the other, catering for both crowds. Either they are stringent (in a German accent), or rather laid back. You can then make your choice. The one environment that is utterly rediculous is pub gardens where some make you mask up to stand up and walk out the garden gate to your car. I guess some find it easier to stick to (or gold plate) the exact regulations than apply a bit of common sense. Then again those pubs are usually filled with older people who perhaps like it that way. All parties are catered for, you just choose your preferred pub :-)
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