No Mask, No Entry, No Exceptions
Discussion
Griffith4ever said:
Well well well, here it is , the masks almost everyone are wearing, surgical , or fabric, are fairly useless at stopping covid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57636360
NHS Foundation trust in Cambridge
"For most of last year, the hospital followed national guidance which specifies that healthcare workers should wear surgical masks, except in a few limited situations.
Though fluid resistant, these masks are relatively flimsy and loose-fitting and are not meant to screen out infectious aerosols - tiny virus particles that can linger in the air and are now widely accepted as a source of coronavirus infection."
Goes on to show in a graphic that surgical masks "do not protect against smaller airborne particles"
And, on fabric masks "does not protect you but MAY protect others" - note the very, very flimsy "may"
And all the while anyone who's dared challenge the effectiveness of surgical masks has be beaten down with "it's just obvious, wear one!"
Cool, that means surgeons will no longer need to wear them.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57636360
NHS Foundation trust in Cambridge
"For most of last year, the hospital followed national guidance which specifies that healthcare workers should wear surgical masks, except in a few limited situations.
Though fluid resistant, these masks are relatively flimsy and loose-fitting and are not meant to screen out infectious aerosols - tiny virus particles that can linger in the air and are now widely accepted as a source of coronavirus infection."
Goes on to show in a graphic that surgical masks "do not protect against smaller airborne particles"
And, on fabric masks "does not protect you but MAY protect others" - note the very, very flimsy "may"
And all the while anyone who's dared challenge the effectiveness of surgical masks has be beaten down with "it's just obvious, wear one!"
That's really the conclusion you came to?!
Griffith4ever said:
That BBC article I linked - they pulled the image from it half an hour ago. A quick google images search found it. I've screen shotted it, including at the bottom you can see where the image was cached from.
Why they pulled it so fast? who knows?
It's factually incorrect for a start. N99 / FFP3 is the highest protection available. Even then not all FFP3 masks are equal.Why they pulled it so fast? who knows?
Griffith4ever said:
That BBC article I linked - they pulled the image from it half an hour ago. A quick google images search found it. I've screen shotted it, including at the bottom you can see where the image was cached from.
Why they pulled it so fast? who knows?
“Face coverings may protect others….”Why they pulled it so fast? who knows?
I guess you missed that bit.
Griffith4ever said:
That BBC article I linked - they pulled the image from it half an hour ago. A quick google images search found it. I've screen shotted it, including at the bottom you can see where the image was cached from.
Why they pulled it so fast? who knows?
Can you remind us the reason given for mandating face coverings?Why they pulled it so fast? who knows?
garyhun said:
It’s very early for the tag team/multi logins to be out and about.
Must be getting worried as we approach lockdown ending.
I'm not sure how they're going to deal with it suddenly ending tbh. Is it going to be on the 18th* July, be on here calling everyone who doesn't want to wear a mask a "wMust be getting worried as we approach lockdown ending.
ker", and then on the 19th*, just stop because they've been told it's alright now? Maybe find something else to feel morally superior about?Or will they call carry on wearing them anyway, "just in case"? I'm intrigued.
*Yes I know the 19th may change. It's for the purposes of illustration.
CrutyRammers said:
I'm not sure how they're going to deal with it suddenly ending tbh. Is it going to be on the 18th* July, be on here calling everyone who doesn't want to wear a mask a "wker", and then on the 19th*, just stop because they've been told it's alright now? Maybe find something else to feel morally superior about?
Or will they call carry on wearing them anyway, "just in case"? I'm intrigued.
*Yes I know the 19th may change. It's for the purposes of illustration.
They’ll continue to stay at home, to save lives and protect the nhs ker", and then on the 19th*, just stop because they've been told it's alright now? Maybe find something else to feel morally superior about?Or will they call carry on wearing them anyway, "just in case"? I'm intrigued.
*Yes I know the 19th may change. It's for the purposes of illustration.
pavarotti1980 said:
Can you remind us the reason given for mandating face coverings?
Initially, it came from the WHO, in order to make people who chose to wear them feel more comfortable, and as a visual reminder of the virus. Mind you, they didn't work then, but then suddenly they did, according to something called "growing evidence", which I think is something that looks a bit like what you want the science to say, rather than what it does say.
Griffith4ever said:
Well well well, here it is , the masks almost everyone are wearing, surgical , or fabric, are fairly useless at stopping covid.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57636360
NHS Foundation trust in Cambridge
"For most of last year, the hospital followed national guidance which specifies that healthcare workers should wear surgical masks, except in a few limited situations.
Though fluid resistant, these masks are relatively flimsy and loose-fitting and are not meant to screen out infectious aerosols - tiny virus particles that can linger in the air and are now widely accepted as a source of coronavirus infection."
Goes on to show in a graphic that surgical masks "do not protect against smaller airborne particles"
And, on fabric masks "does not protect you but MAY protect others" - note the very, very flimsy "may"
And all the while anyone who's dared challenge the effectiveness of surgical masks has be beaten down with "it's just obvious, wear one!"
I thought it was well known that basic masks don't protect from small droplets. The argument for masks was that it helped prevent spread from sneezing and breathing, not protect you. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57636360
NHS Foundation trust in Cambridge
"For most of last year, the hospital followed national guidance which specifies that healthcare workers should wear surgical masks, except in a few limited situations.
Though fluid resistant, these masks are relatively flimsy and loose-fitting and are not meant to screen out infectious aerosols - tiny virus particles that can linger in the air and are now widely accepted as a source of coronavirus infection."
Goes on to show in a graphic that surgical masks "do not protect against smaller airborne particles"
And, on fabric masks "does not protect you but MAY protect others" - note the very, very flimsy "may"
And all the while anyone who's dared challenge the effectiveness of surgical masks has be beaten down with "it's just obvious, wear one!"
The benefit was small hence it not being mandated early on, however while there is even a small benefit them we should wear them.
Given that doctors, nurses and surgeons have always worn them then it's probably a good idea. Even a cheap crappy mask offers some benefit.
sevensfun said:
You are such a hero for wearing a face covering
So selfless
I wish I could be like you
I am currently not wearing a face covering today. I have my FFP3 waiting for me to put in very shortly though So selfless
I wish I could be like you
CrutyRammers said:
Initially, it came from the WHO, in order to make people who chose to wear them feel more comfortable, and as a visual reminder of the virus.
Mind you, they didn't work then, but then suddenly they did, according to something called "growing evidence", which I think is something that looks a bit like what you want the science to say, rather than what it does say.
Sorry what was the reason? It seems you forgot to answer the only thing I asked.....Mind you, they didn't work then, but then suddenly they did, according to something called "growing evidence", which I think is something that looks a bit like what you want the science to say, rather than what it does say.
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