69 in a 50

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Joe5y

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1,501 posts

184 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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So, I finally received the offer and got £100.00 and 3 points.

Super Sonic

4,925 posts

55 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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I think the reason nobody has posted the NIP for limit +10%+2 is because iirc the form where you tick the box to confirm you were the driver is on the back of the original NIP which is then posted back. Subsequent correspondence omits the speed.

stongle

5,910 posts

163 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Just for colour, bit outside the OPS efforts. I've just received my punishment for 102 in a 70. Took over 18mths from date of offence to work through the court system: 6pts and 1 week wage fine.

Ban would probably have been a better outcome, but is what it is.

Was dealt with remotely, was offered chance to attend or send in a statement of impact. Chose the latter, not sure if it was a better route or not. Possibly not as fine feels high.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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I would expect a fixed penalty with 3 points and £100 fine.

I got caught a little while back for 56 in a 40 and got the above.

Mr Miata

959 posts

51 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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wormus said:
littleredrooster said:
I really do wish people in SP&L would learn to keep their traps shut when they do not know what they are talking about!
Chill out, no need to be rude, this is the internet. If he wants legal advice, he should ask a solicitor.
Except a solicitor did fk all for me but take my money. The outcome would have made no difference if I kept the money instead and pleaded guilty straight away.

agtlaw

6,712 posts

207 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Joe5y said:
So, I finally received the offer and got £100.00 and 3 points.
Fixed penalty shocker.

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

177 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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I think I've got one of these coming up soon. Cameravan, 71 indicated in a 50, dual carriageway and (somehow) a first speeding offence since passing my test in 2006. Let's see what the postman brings.

4004

151 posts

51 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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stongle said:
Just for colour, bit outside the OPS efforts. I've just received my punishment for 102 in a 70. Took over 18mths from date of offence to work through the court system: 6pts and 1 week wage fine.

Ban would probably have been a better outcome, but is what it is.

Was dealt with remotely, was offered chance to attend or send in a statement of impact. Chose the latter, not sure if it was a better route or not. Possibly not as fine feels high.
Doesn't feel like that bad of an outcome, although not sure what else you'd have to do if it was a ban (test resit etc?).
Reading all this makes me feel stupid and lucky, as I would sometimes be sitting at 100+, conditions permitting.

martinbiz

3,098 posts

146 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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4004 said:
stongle said:
Just for colour, bit outside the OPS efforts. I've just received my punishment for 102 in a 70. Took over 18mths from date of offence to work through the court system: 6pts and 1 week wage fine.

Ban would probably have been a better outcome, but is what it is.

Was dealt with remotely, was offered chance to attend or send in a statement of impact. Chose the latter, not sure if it was a better route or not. Possibly not as fine feels high.
Doesn't feel like that bad of an outcome, although not sure what else you'd have to do if it was a ban (test resit etc?).
Nothing else, you will not need to resit your test for a speeding ban, would only be a short ban of a couple or 3 weeks and a fine, As stongle says for a lot of folks this is more preferable than having 6 points on their licence for 3 years

martinbiz

3,098 posts

146 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Super Sonic said:
I think the reason nobody has posted the NIP for limit +10%+2 is because iirc the form where you tick the box to confirm you were the driver is on the back of the original NIP which is then posted back. Subsequent correspondence omits the speed.
I think the main reason nobody has ever posted evidence of a NIP for less than 10%+2 (assuming that is what you mean) is because they don't exist.
I would think most people would also keep a copy of the original when they post it, I know I would

4004

151 posts

51 months

Friday 13th August 2021
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Ah, I was mistaken thinking you still get points with a ban. In that case indeed it does sound better for a no points outcome.
If only you were given a choice spin

Super Sonic

4,925 posts

55 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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martinbiz said:
Super Sonic said:
I think the reason nobody has posted the NIP for limit +10%+2 is because iirc the form where you tick the box to confirm you were the driver is on the back of the original NIP which is then posted back. Subsequent correspondence omits the speed.
I think the main reason nobody has ever posted evidence of a NIP for less than 10%+2 (assuming that is what you mean) is because they don't exist.
I would think most people would also keep a copy of the original when they post it, I know I would
No, I meant 10%+2.If I had meant 'less than' I would have said so. Did you keep a copy of your NIP? I didn't.

SS2.

14,465 posts

239 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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I don't think there's any disagreement that enforcement tends to start at limit +10% plus 2mph ie 35mph in a 30mph limit.

The quest is ongoing to find a NIP which alleges an excess speed lower than the 10% plus 2mph figure.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

262 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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martinbiz said:
4004 said:
stongle said:
Just for colour, bit outside the OPS efforts. I've just received my punishment for 102 in a 70. Took over 18mths from date of offence to work through the court system: 6pts and 1 week wage fine.

Ban would probably have been a better outcome, but is what it is.

Was dealt with remotely, was offered chance to attend or send in a statement of impact. Chose the latter, not sure if it was a better route or not. Possibly not as fine feels high.
Doesn't feel like that bad of an outcome, although not sure what else you'd have to do if it was a ban (test resit etc?).
Nothing else, you will not need to resit your test for a speeding ban, would only be a short ban of a couple or 3 weeks and a fine, As stongle says for a lot of folks this is more preferable than having 6 points on their licence for 3 years
Does the three years start at offence or conviction?

stongle

5,910 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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Dr Jekyll said:
martinbiz said:
4004 said:
stongle said:
Just for colour, bit outside the OPS efforts. I've just received my punishment for 102 in a 70. Took over 18mths from date of offence to work through the court system: 6pts and 1 week wage fine.

Ban would probably have been a better outcome, but is what it is.

Was dealt with remotely, was offered chance to attend or send in a statement of impact. Chose the latter, not sure if it was a better route or not. Possibly not as fine feels high.
Doesn't feel like that bad of an outcome, although not sure what else you'd have to do if it was a ban (test resit etc?).
Nothing else, you will not need to resit your test for a speeding ban, would only be a short ban of a couple or 3 weeks and a fine, As stongle says for a lot of folks this is more preferable than having 6 points on their licence for 3 years
Does the three years start at offence or conviction?
My understanding is that it's from date of Offense if NO disqualification. However its from Date of Conviction IF it results in disqualification (this is per Govt Guidelines). Could be wrong though as I'm clearly not a lawyer / solicitor.

So I think its counting for another 16 months or so. No more motorway speedy speedy.

I'd only be taking a retest for a ban or the 6 points IF I was a new driver.

Spleen

5,453 posts

122 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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Joe5y said:
So, I finally received the offer and got £100.00 and 3 points.
An offer? It's not like you can haggle. 'Thanks for your offer, how about £35 and 1 point?'

martinbiz

3,098 posts

146 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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stongle said:
Dr Jekyll said:
martinbiz said:
4004 said:
stongle said:
Just for colour, bit outside the OPS efforts. I've just received my punishment for 102 in a 70. Took over 18mths from date of offence to work through the court system: 6pts and 1 week wage fine.

Ban would probably have been a better outcome, but is what it is.

Was dealt with remotely, was offered chance to attend or send in a statement of impact. Chose the latter, not sure if it was a better route or not. Possibly not as fine feels high.
Doesn't feel like that bad of an outcome, although not sure what else you'd have to do if it was a ban (test resit etc?).
Nothing else, you will not need to resit your test for a speeding ban, would only be a short ban of a couple or 3 weeks and a fine, As stongle says for a lot of folks this is more preferable than having 6 points on their licence for 3 years
Does the three years start at offence or conviction?
My understanding is that it's from date of Offense if NO disqualification. However its from Date of Conviction IF it results in disqualification (this is per Govt Guidelines). Could be wrong though as I'm clearly not a lawyer / solicitor.

So I think its counting for another 16 months or so. No more motorway speedy speedy.

I'd only be taking a retest for a ban or the 6 points IF I was a new driver.
Correct, the points run from the date of the offence

You would not have your licence revoked and have to re take a test if you received a direct ban for the offence, even if you are a new driver, the new driver revocation rules apply to points only

Magistrates guidlines are to issue points to new drivers even if they might normally issue a short ban for the offence, if to do so it would affect the licence being revoked

Muzzer79

10,046 posts

188 months

Saturday 14th August 2021
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Spleen said:
Joe5y said:
So, I finally received the offer and got £100.00 and 3 points.
An offer? It's not like you can haggle. 'Thanks for your offer, how about £35 and 1 point?'
Of course it’s an offer.

You can decline that offer and go to court, if you wish to.

Heaveho

5,314 posts

175 months

Sunday 15th August 2021
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Muzzer79 said:
Spleen said:
Joe5y said:
So, I finally received the offer and got £100.00 and 3 points.
An offer? It's not like you can haggle. 'Thanks for your offer, how about £35 and 1 point?'
Of course it’s an offer.

You can decline that offer and go to court, if you wish to.
Which, against my advice, is what my other half did. 80 in a 70. First offence. Said she would rather take the points than sit listening to a bunch of tossers telling her to repent for half a day! I kind of admire her in spite of my thoughts on it. 80, ffs, crime of the century.

douglasb

299 posts

223 months

Sunday 15th August 2021
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Why didn't she just take the fixed penalty that 80 in a 70 would surely have attracted? Fair enough that she felt that she didn't want to take the course, but that suggests that she accepted that she had been speeding and wasn't going to court to present a defence. Being found guilty at court involves a hihger fine than the fixed penalty (never mind costs if she went not guilty).