Can I ignore the painted left lane arrow roundabout approach
Discussion
CoolHands said:
Heaveho said:
Yeah, yeah, but why bother will all this s
t when you can just be a helmet and fk someone over by carving them up 'cos you're a lazy tt?
a) it appears it’s actually legal if the arrow is only advisory b) I can do so carefully so not driving without due care c) if they change lane as they exit they should look - I’m not the cause of their shoddy driving d) anyway luckily I will look out for them to avert any collision as most are so bad. So they won’t be getting carved up, at least by me. And I get home 30 seconds earlier. Maybe a minute cos there’s another one like this I use.t when you can just be a helmet and fk someone over by carving them up 'cos you're a lazy tt?Thanks all; just have keep my eyes peeled for the rozzers, to be fair there aren’t many about though.
If going against the marking in order to queue jump the Police/CPS may see it as inconsiderate driving.
And the Police don't have to witness it themselves these days if somebody with a dashcam bubbles you up & submits the footage.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/driving-offences
CPS Advice said:
The offence of driving without due care and attention (careless driving) under section 3 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 is committed when the defendant's driving falls below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver - section 3ZA(2) of the RTA 1988.
Some examples of careless or inconsiderate driving are:
Some examples of careless or inconsiderate driving are:
- misusing lanes to gain advantage over other drivers;
Ok, I'm a stranger here, just arrived at this roundabout in the left lane during rush hour, the traffic is backed up to a standstill and queuing in both lanes so there is no way for me to see road markings, there are no roadside signs telling me which lane to take. As far as I can see, it would be perfectly reasonable for me to carry on in the left lane if intending to take the left lane of the second exit from the roundabout.
If I can do it, why can't the OP? Yes it's a bit of a dick move if you're doing it while aware of the situation, but not illegal.
If I can do it, why can't the OP? Yes it's a bit of a dick move if you're doing it while aware of the situation, but not illegal.
Desiderata said:
Ok, I'm a stranger here, just arrived at this roundabout in the left lane during rush hour, the traffic is backed up to a standstill and queuing in both lanes so there is no way for me to see road markings, there are no roadside signs telling me which lane to take. As far as I can see, it would be perfectly reasonable for me to carry on in the left lane if intending to take the left lane of the second exit from the roundabout.
If I can do it, why can't the OP? Yes it's a bit of a dick move if you're doing it while aware of the situation, but not illegal.
All mandatory markings would mean, is that it would be illegal even if it was done safely without incident & without inconveniencing others, because the manoeuvre itself is outlawed.If I can do it, why can't the OP? Yes it's a bit of a dick move if you're doing it while aware of the situation, but not illegal.
In the absence of mandatory markings it could be illegal if the authorities consider it so. Doesn't matter what the individual doing the action thinks, it matters what the Police/CPS/Courts think.
If you find yourself in an inappropriate lane for where you intended to go (in circumstances such as you describe), you don't have to go where you initially intended to go. You can just as easily follow the marking & reroute when appropriate & safe to do so.
You find yourself with a choice. You make your choice. You are responsible for that choice. You 'may' be held to account for it where it is considered by others to be an inappropriate choice.
vonhosen said:
If you find yourself in an inappropriate lane for where you intended to go (in circumstances such as you describe), you don't have to go where you initially intended to go. You can just as easily follow the marking & reroute when appropriate & safe to do so.
I understand that, but in the circumstances that I described, it would be entirely appropriate to carry on in the intended lane and direction of travel. The road layout doesn't make it inappropriate, only the road markings, which if not visible are not relevant.@OP - you've been a member on a car enthusiast site for 13 years and you're asking THAT question..?
No, you can't go straight on (or turn right) from a lane marked 'Turn Left'. The EXIT of the roundabout may well be two lanes but the ENTRANCE to the roundabout is one lane left, one lane straight on and you should be in the correct one.
No, you can't go straight on (or turn right) from a lane marked 'Turn Left'. The EXIT of the roundabout may well be two lanes but the ENTRANCE to the roundabout is one lane left, one lane straight on and you should be in the correct one.
Edited by Funk on Sunday 20th June 23:51
CoolHands said:
Well, that’s debatable. It’s not prohibited. Which I wasn’t sure about hence asking. I like to know the potential penalties of my misdeeds.
Potentially having a crash when the person you're going round the outside of doesn't look to the nearside or in their nearside mirror because they're not expecting you to be there...?Desiderata said:
vonhosen said:
If you find yourself in an inappropriate lane for where you intended to go (in circumstances such as you describe), you don't have to go where you initially intended to go. You can just as easily follow the marking & reroute when appropriate & safe to do so.
I understand that, but in the circumstances that I described, it would be entirely appropriate to carry on in the intended lane and direction of travel. The road layout doesn't make it inappropriate, only the road markings, which if not visible are not relevant.It can be held to be inappropriate without any lane markings, they aren't the defining factor in whether a manoeuvre is appropriate or not. They are there to assist in decision making.
In the circumstances you described the markings may have been hidden initially, but they would become visible as traffic moved off of them & you then drive over them.
Like I say, you make your choice & then others who might see it make their choice as to whether to respond or not.
meatballs said:
All the people saying be would be liable if there was a collision, the case law would be in his favour? The arrows arent mandatory and the driver in the right lane has to be aware when changing lanes/exiting.
It's a bit of a dick move to do on purpose, but maybe you get caught out in that lane before you can see the road markings (road markings are crap when not backed up by a sign). Probably be fine if you don't sit alongside anyone and prepare to give way to anyone that doesn't see you. (I'd probably just go left and come back around though).
What insurance case law would be in his favour, Grace Vs Tanner is the normal caselaw to use for roundabouts, but that covers 2 lanes roundabouts, normally over roundabouts, where 1 person has crossed the other persons lane, and this settles it as 50/50.It's a bit of a dick move to do on purpose, but maybe you get caught out in that lane before you can see the road markings (road markings are crap when not backed up by a sign). Probably be fine if you don't sit alongside anyone and prepare to give way to anyone that doesn't see you. (I'd probably just go left and come back around though).
Edited by meatballs on Sunday 20th June 18:58
In this case there is no lane markings on the actual roundabout, and the lanes onto the roundabout are marked, so the likelihood is that the insurers would hold the OP at fault as he has intentionally decided to ignore them and has been negligent in his actions.
Im guessing at some point soon, we will see a post from the op, advising he has been hit on this roundabout, and the insurers are holding him at fault, and he doesnt agree and wants help getting out of liability.
Insurance and what is legal dont always go hand in hand.
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