SORN and insurance
Discussion
To be honest it's all a complete mess as far as I can tell!
I have 2 allocated parking spaces outlined on the deeds for my house, but as they are accessible by anyone they are supposedly a public road according to the Road Traffic Acts and later EU legislation.
But when someone dumped a clapped-out old snotter a couple of spaces away nobody was interested in doing anything about it because based on the Land Registry details they decided it was privately owned. The poxy POS sat there developing mould on the seats and steering wheel while a few residents tried to get something done about it for over 2 years.
Then someone bought the house that had deeds showing it was (mostly) in the space allocated to their property and managed to get it shifted!
So it depends, in your situation they'd probably love to nick you but if someone else dumps a snotter there nobody will give a sh*t.
I have 2 allocated parking spaces outlined on the deeds for my house, but as they are accessible by anyone they are supposedly a public road according to the Road Traffic Acts and later EU legislation.
But when someone dumped a clapped-out old snotter a couple of spaces away nobody was interested in doing anything about it because based on the Land Registry details they decided it was privately owned. The poxy POS sat there developing mould on the seats and steering wheel while a few residents tried to get something done about it for over 2 years.
Then someone bought the house that had deeds showing it was (mostly) in the space allocated to their property and managed to get it shifted!
So it depends, in your situation they'd probably love to nick you but if someone else dumps a snotter there nobody will give a sh*t.
lyonspride said:
You have to remember these vans are also manned by people with targets to meet, they don't care whether the car is off road or not, they only care that the ANPR has pinged a SORN vehicle.
Honestly do what the f**k you like, just don't come complaining when you get a fine and the DVLA won't drop it, and they won't, because the appeals system is automated too, and all that does is send out another more threatening letter.
What a load of old cobblers Honestly do what the f**k you like, just don't come complaining when you get a fine and the DVLA won't drop it, and they won't, because the appeals system is automated too, and all that does is send out another more threatening letter.
lyonspride said:
Countdown said:
Apologies if I'm missing something but that makes no sense whatsoever. Why would DVLA want to take pictures of something that would show they were issuing fines illegally?
They're not taking pictures, they're doing the ANPR check, the fines are issued automatically.You have to remember these vans are also manned by people with targets to meet, they don't care whether the car is off road or not, they only care that the ANPR has pinged a SORN vehicle.
Honestly do what the f**k you like, just don't come complaining when you get a fine and the DVLA won't drop it, and they won't, because the appeals system is automated too, and all that does is send out another more threatening letter.
According to you they ALREADY know the car is supposed to be SORN. So WHAT is the point of sending a van around to take a picture of a car that is clearly SORN ???
Your mate either didn’t SORN the vehicle (and got the automatic penalty) or he did SORN it but still had it on the road.
Countdown said:
lyonspride said:
Countdown said:
Apologies if I'm missing something but that makes no sense whatsoever. Why would DVLA want to take pictures of something that would show they were issuing fines illegally?
They're not taking pictures, they're doing the ANPR check, the fines are issued automatically.You have to remember these vans are also manned by people with targets to meet, they don't care whether the car is off road or not, they only care that the ANPR has pinged a SORN vehicle.
Honestly do what the f**k you like, just don't come complaining when you get a fine and the DVLA won't drop it, and they won't, because the appeals system is automated too, and all that does is send out another more threatening letter.
According to you they ALREADY know the car is supposed to be SORN. So WHAT is the point of sending a van around to take a picture of a car that is clearly SORN ???
Your mate either didn’t SORN the vehicle (and got the automatic penalty) or he did SORN it but still had it on the road.
wrong_turn said:
BertBert said:
Are these DVLA sorn detector vans like the TV licence detector vans by any chance? 
Hah! I saw a website years ago showing pictures of those over the decades. Ridiculous. I've recently got a letter saying to expect a visit from TVL. I'm quite looking forward to it :-)ANPR worries me a bit more but I'm in a quiet cul-de-sac in a small market town, the car is SORNed and sort of insured (wip). Not sure they would bother having a look.
martinbiz said:
If your only sort of insured, whatever that means, and parked on a road I would be more worried about the insurance issue rather than the sorn one, if it's not insured you could be lining youself up for 6 points and a large fine and some very expensive insurance going forward, that's if you can manage to find any
It's SORN and on private land. Most of the information I've found online says this is ok. There's a bit of debate in this thread and others as to whether it needs to be insured. I have taken out a "laid up" policy and have the documents, but it does not include third-party cover and is not showing on the database yet hence the "wip". I need to make some phonecalls.wrong_turn said:
It's SORN and on private land. Most of the information I've found online says this is ok. There's a bit of debate in this thread and others as to whether it needs to be insured. I have taken out a "laid up" policy and have the documents, but it does not include third-party cover and is not showing on the database yet hence the "wip". I need to make some phonecalls.
Ok then you are absolutely fine as has been said a few times, I read your post to mean you were parked down a quiet side road. One thing I would check is the terms of the laid up cover, mine states that the vehicle has to be garaged Funny reading this, as I've reported the car business opposite my parents to DVLA and BiB. In fact at least two of the neighbours have reported them. They now brazenly litter the road with SORN vehicles. Last time, the 101 operator said they were sending a car over - not sure what happened has the cars were eventually moved but no fine that i'm aware of. They look like minicab-type vehicles so if you have an accident with an untaxed / no-MOT vehicle in SW London .. good luck with the insurance!
Edited by fido on Sunday 4th July 10:42
martinbiz said:
wrong_turn said:
It's SORN and on private land. Most of the information I've found online says this is ok. There's a bit of debate in this thread and others as to whether it needs to be insured. I have taken out a "laid up" policy and have the documents, but it does not include third-party cover and is not showing on the database yet hence the "wip". I need to make some phonecalls.
Ok then you are absolutely fine as has been said a few times, I read your post to mean you were parked down a quiet side road. One thing I would check is the terms of the laid up cover, mine states that the vehicle has to be garaged 
... is the private land where the car is parked then it looks to be a 'public place' for the purposes of the RTA and any car parked on it would need 3rd party insurance.
Cat
Cat said:
martinbiz said:
wrong_turn said:
It's SORN and on private land. Most of the information I've found online says this is ok. There's a bit of debate in this thread and others as to whether it needs to be insured. I have taken out a "laid up" policy and have the documents, but it does not include third-party cover and is not showing on the database yet hence the "wip". I need to make some phonecalls.
Ok then you are absolutely fine as has been said a few times, I read your post to mean you were parked down a quiet side road. One thing I would check is the terms of the laid up cover, mine states that the vehicle has to be garaged ... is the private land where the car is parked then it looks to be a 'public place' for the purposes of the RTA and any car parked on it would need 3rd party insurance.
Cat
Seen many reported for no insurance in similar positions.
Cat said:
If this...
... is the private land where the car is parked then it looks to be a 'public place' for the purposes of the RTA and any car parked on it would need 3rd party insurance.
Cat
Yep, I have a very similar set up at the rear of my house, away from the public highway, but public have full access to it and although I maintain and am responsible for any issues within the area (drains etc) I'm reliably informed that any car parked there needs to be insured.... is the private land where the car is parked then it looks to be a 'public place' for the purposes of the RTA and any car parked on it would need 3rd party insurance.
Cat
Maybe the OP can ring the Insurers and ask how much extra adding TP would be?, given the rest of the policy is already in place.
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