Noise Complaint - What to do
Discussion
Lord Marylebone said:
My opinion is as follows, and feel free to ignore it:
You have said several times that you are a reasonable person and you are making efforts to not upset or disturb anyone, and I believe you, however you seem to have completely ignored what many of us have been saying about a 'Hard stop of all noise at 11pm'.
When we say a 'hard stop' of all noise, we mean no outdoor music, no talking in the garden, no repeated opening and shutting of exterior doors, no music playing in the house with windows open, all that sort of thing.
Even if you are simply sitting in the house socialising with friends and you have music on at a reasonably low volume, and the windows are open, you may still be pissing off your neighbours.
Earlier in the thread you expressed genuine disbelief that people actually made an effort to be quiet and turn off all music etc at 11pm, and I think that just shows how you don't fully grasp that being quiet means after 11pm actually being quiet.
My advice is that you really need to adopt the 'hard stop at 11pm' unless you want to keep annoying people.
By all means chat with a few friends in your house after 11pm, not if there are any windows open or you have any music playing, and certainly not if your house is attached to another house, as even laughing and talking can sound loud and stop people sleeping in an adjoining property.
Wow if you were my neighbour I'd make a habit of pissing you off. Hard stop, WTF. You have said several times that you are a reasonable person and you are making efforts to not upset or disturb anyone, and I believe you, however you seem to have completely ignored what many of us have been saying about a 'Hard stop of all noise at 11pm'.
When we say a 'hard stop' of all noise, we mean no outdoor music, no talking in the garden, no repeated opening and shutting of exterior doors, no music playing in the house with windows open, all that sort of thing.
Even if you are simply sitting in the house socialising with friends and you have music on at a reasonably low volume, and the windows are open, you may still be pissing off your neighbours.
Earlier in the thread you expressed genuine disbelief that people actually made an effort to be quiet and turn off all music etc at 11pm, and I think that just shows how you don't fully grasp that being quiet means after 11pm actually being quiet.
My advice is that you really need to adopt the 'hard stop at 11pm' unless you want to keep annoying people.
By all means chat with a few friends in your house after 11pm, not if there are any windows open or you have any music playing, and certainly not if your house is attached to another house, as even laughing and talking can sound loud and stop people sleeping in an adjoining property.
Mr Spoon said:
Lord Marylebone said:
My opinion is as follows, and feel free to ignore it:
You have said several times that you are a reasonable person and you are making efforts to not upset or disturb anyone, and I believe you, however you seem to have completely ignored what many of us have been saying about a 'Hard stop of all noise at 11pm'.
When we say a 'hard stop' of all noise, we mean no outdoor music, no talking in the garden, no repeated opening and shutting of exterior doors, no music playing in the house with windows open, all that sort of thing.
Even if you are simply sitting in the house socialising with friends and you have music on at a reasonably low volume, and the windows are open, you may still be pissing off your neighbours.
Earlier in the thread you expressed genuine disbelief that people actually made an effort to be quiet and turn off all music etc at 11pm, and I think that just shows how you don't fully grasp that being quiet means after 11pm actually being quiet.
My advice is that you really need to adopt the 'hard stop at 11pm' unless you want to keep annoying people.
By all means chat with a few friends in your house after 11pm, not if there are any windows open or you have any music playing, and certainly not if your house is attached to another house, as even laughing and talking can sound loud and stop people sleeping in an adjoining property.
Wow if you were my neighbour I'd make a habit of pissing you off. Hard stop, WTF. You have said several times that you are a reasonable person and you are making efforts to not upset or disturb anyone, and I believe you, however you seem to have completely ignored what many of us have been saying about a 'Hard stop of all noise at 11pm'.
When we say a 'hard stop' of all noise, we mean no outdoor music, no talking in the garden, no repeated opening and shutting of exterior doors, no music playing in the house with windows open, all that sort of thing.
Even if you are simply sitting in the house socialising with friends and you have music on at a reasonably low volume, and the windows are open, you may still be pissing off your neighbours.
Earlier in the thread you expressed genuine disbelief that people actually made an effort to be quiet and turn off all music etc at 11pm, and I think that just shows how you don't fully grasp that being quiet means after 11pm actually being quiet.
My advice is that you really need to adopt the 'hard stop at 11pm' unless you want to keep annoying people.
By all means chat with a few friends in your house after 11pm, not if there are any windows open or you have any music playing, and certainly not if your house is attached to another house, as even laughing and talking can sound loud and stop people sleeping in an adjoining property.
We are doing it purely to be courteous to our neighbours.
So pardon me for being courteous
I will try to do less of it in future!
Arnold Cunningham said:
I’ve had lots of people tell me they’re courteous, humble, reasonable, and a host of other adjectives over the years. Generally I found that if they need to tell me they are, they probably aren’t. The best we can all hope for is to try to be these things, but others are the judge.
Correct. Such as the police, the council, other neighbours, the friends that were over (both professionals). Maybe, just maybe one individual is acting unreasonably.Lord Marylebone said:
It isn't just me. Numerous people in this thread have said they consider 11pm to be the cut off for pretty much all noise that may upset others.
We are doing it purely to be courteous to our neighbours.
So pardon me for being courteous I will try to do less of it in future!
you are pardoned We are doing it purely to be courteous to our neighbours.
So pardon me for being courteous
I will try to do less of it in future!8IKERDAVE said:
The situation has since progressed slightly. I wrote to our council for their advice and was met with quite a reassuring email stating that "if the police were not concerned on the day nor should we be" and "noise complaints are often found to be false when investigated"
That said, (although clearly disputed by a few on here), I am a reasonable person and have made efforts to ensure we're not genuinly upsetting anyone. My suspiscion on who I thought made the claim is now even stronger as we are yet to see this person since the incident occurred but I have in fact chatted with other neighbours, one of which lives next door. They were in bed with the windows open that night and never heard a peep - funny that as my DJ didn't leave till 2 (jokes, before you start headbutting your keyboards).
Be assured, the neighbour that was in bed with the windows open and ‘did not hear a peep’ we’re the ones that dobbed you in. They say that to throw you off the scent. Because you know it’s impossible for the, to have not heard something, you were making noise in your garden in the early hours on a housing estate. That said, (although clearly disputed by a few on here), I am a reasonable person and have made efforts to ensure we're not genuinly upsetting anyone. My suspiscion on who I thought made the claim is now even stronger as we are yet to see this person since the incident occurred but I have in fact chatted with other neighbours, one of which lives next door. They were in bed with the windows open that night and never heard a peep - funny that as my DJ didn't leave till 2 (jokes, before you start headbutting your keyboards).
Now if they said , we could hear you a bit but it wasn’t obtrusive any didn’t worry us, that you could believe.
They’re mugging you off.
poo at Paul's said:
Be assured, the neighbour that was in bed with the windows open and ‘did not hear a peep’ we’re the ones that dobbed you in. They say that to throw you off the scent. Because you know it’s impossible for the, to have not heard something, you were making noise in your garden in the early hours on a housing estate.
Now if they said , we could hear you a bit but it wasn’t obtrusive any didn’t worry us, that you could believe.
They’re mugging you off.
Had my suspicions but then they also went on to warn me about a specific neighbour (who I had suspected from the off). Apparantly renowned for trying to cause people problems and has demonstrated some very odd behviour to others long before we moved in such as posting notes through peoples letter boxes, shouting at others over the fence, and generally being a bit of a PITA. I've since had an email back from the council:Now if they said , we could hear you a bit but it wasn’t obtrusive any didn’t worry us, that you could believe.
They’re mugging you off.
"I have looked on our system and we do not have any complaints registered against your property. The person who called the Police obviously didn’t think the noise was serious enough to lodge a complaint with the Council. I would take this as a positive and be reassured that you were not being unduly loud. Like I said earlier, even if we did receive a noise complaint, we wouldn’t necessarily agree with the complainant as we get a lot which aren’t deemed as ‘statutory noise nuisances’.
I hope you can relax a little now. Try to forget it and carry on as you were.
If you need any more advise on the matter, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
So you can put the pitchforks away now
Victor Meldrew here.
Firstly TL:DR
Going outside for fags with music playing at 1a.m. is too late (early?)
Why have music playing? Certainly not after 11p.m. Isn't conversation enough?
Cigarette smoking with young children? Time you set an example to them and stopped.
To be very blunt, it all sounds very council. Sorry.
Firstly TL:DR
Going outside for fags with music playing at 1a.m. is too late (early?)
Why have music playing? Certainly not after 11p.m. Isn't conversation enough?
Cigarette smoking with young children? Time you set an example to them and stopped.
To be very blunt, it all sounds very council. Sorry.
The Mad Monk said:
Victor Meldrew here.
Firstly TL:DR
Going outside for fags with music playing at 1a.m. is too late (early?)
Why have music playing? Certainly not after 11p.m. Isn't conversation enough?
Cigarette smoking with young children? Time you set an example to them and stopped.
To be very blunt, it all sounds very council. Sorry.
Wow 10/10 for complete judgemental behaviour. OK I'm guessing you've skipped most of the thread but read my last comment.Firstly TL:DR
Going outside for fags with music playing at 1a.m. is too late (early?)
Why have music playing? Certainly not after 11p.m. Isn't conversation enough?
Cigarette smoking with young children? Time you set an example to them and stopped.
To be very blunt, it all sounds very council. Sorry.
Cigarette smoking, yes we weren't jacking up in a nursery don't worry. FYI I am not a regularly smoker just enjoy the odd one with a drink and weirdly my children were in bed at that time.
Once again, music was background music IN THE HOUSE. If we couldn't hear it outside I'd be very surprised if the neighbour could unless it was a dog who made the complaint. Do you walk around tutting a lot?
8IKERDAVE said:
I've since had an email back from the council:
"I have looked on our system and we do not have any complaints registered against your property. The person who called the Police obviously didn’t think the noise was serious enough to lodge a complaint with the Council. I would take this as a positive and be reassured that you were not being unduly loud. Like I said earlier, even if we did receive a noise complaint, we wouldn’t necessarily agree with the complainant as we get a lot which aren’t deemed as ‘statutory noise nuisances’.
I believe that if you register a noise complaint with the council, you have to give your details - and the person you're complaining against was able to see them?"I have looked on our system and we do not have any complaints registered against your property. The person who called the Police obviously didn’t think the noise was serious enough to lodge a complaint with the Council. I would take this as a positive and be reassured that you were not being unduly loud. Like I said earlier, even if we did receive a noise complaint, we wouldn’t necessarily agree with the complainant as we get a lot which aren’t deemed as ‘statutory noise nuisances’.
That would put a lot of people off - it isn't necessarily an indication of the noise level.
Arnold Cunningham said:
Glad it's not the big deal you were worried it could be.
It still sucks when you have a neighbour who's unreasonable, to date we've been very lucky in that regard, but at least you won't feel like you need to be walking on eggshells around your own home so much.
Thanks mate. Yes its a very alien feeling to us after having years of great neighbours.It still sucks when you have a neighbour who's unreasonable, to date we've been very lucky in that regard, but at least you won't feel like you need to be walking on eggshells around your own home so much.
8IKERDAVE said:
Wow 10/10 for complete judgemental behaviour. OK I'm guessing you've skipped most of the thread but read my last comment.
Cigarette smoking, yes we weren't jacking up in a nursery don't worry. FYI I am not a regularly smoker just enjoy the odd one with a drink and weirdly my children were in bed at that time.
Once again, music was background music IN THE HOUSE. If we couldn't hear it outside I'd be very surprised if the neighbour could unless it was a dog who made the complaint. Do you walk around tutting a lot?
Well, I did start off TL:DR?Cigarette smoking, yes we weren't jacking up in a nursery don't worry. FYI I am not a regularly smoker just enjoy the odd one with a drink and weirdly my children were in bed at that time.
Once again, music was background music IN THE HOUSE. If we couldn't hear it outside I'd be very surprised if the neighbour could unless it was a dog who made the complaint. Do you walk around tutting a lot?
Yes, completely judgemental. I agree. But, you posed a social behaviour question on an anonymous internet discussion forum, and this is the - honestly held - opinions of other posters.
Going outside for a fag at 1 in the morning with your mates, after drink taken is not going to be quietest thing on the planet - is it? To a non-smoker - even more so to a former smoker, cigarette smoke smell carries a long way!
Elsewhere your response to a post on the driver jailed for jamming a radar speed gun thread indicate that you thought the criminal was ok and the people criticising him were - what was it? - self righteous tossers? - might indicate a biased view of ones civic responsibilities.
8IKERDAVE said:
"I have looked on our system and we do not have any complaints registered against your property. The person who called the Police obviously didn’t think the noise was serious enough to lodge a complaint with the Council. I would take this as a positive and be reassured that you were not being unduly loud. Like I said earlier, even if we did receive a noise complaint, we wouldn’t necessarily agree with the complainant as we get a lot which aren’t deemed as ‘statutory noise nuisances’.
I hope you can relax a little now. Try to forget it and carry on as you were.
If you need any more advise on the matter, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
So you can put the pitchforks away now
Hold the pitchforks!I hope you can relax a little now. Try to forget it and carry on as you were.
If you need any more advise on the matter, please do not hesitate to contact us again.
So you can put the pitchforks away now
I wouldn't say that email is exoneration. It merely confirms no complaint was received and then contains a lot of reassuring guff which, I assume, is in response to a gushing, worried email.
I have a neighbour who I normally don't hear a peep from.
However, once a year in July, they have a party for their son - he must be late teens/early 20s.
This party typically goes on quite late and is often when the weather is warm and windows are open.
It's a bit annoying having people out talking, etc - one year there was chanting (randomly) as everyone got a bit pissed.
But, I take the view that it's once a year so I can live and let live. If it was every month or every week, it would be a very different story.
OP - just ignore the complaint. If it's not upheld, there'll be no record.
However, once a year in July, they have a party for their son - he must be late teens/early 20s.
This party typically goes on quite late and is often when the weather is warm and windows are open.
It's a bit annoying having people out talking, etc - one year there was chanting (randomly) as everyone got a bit pissed.
But, I take the view that it's once a year so I can live and let live. If it was every month or every week, it would be a very different story.
OP - just ignore the complaint. If it's not upheld, there'll be no record.
8IKERDAVE said:
Arnold Cunningham said:
Glad it's not the big deal you were worried it could be.
It still sucks when you have a neighbour who's unreasonable, to date we've been very lucky in that regard, but at least you won't feel like you need to be walking on eggshells around your own home so much.
Thanks mate. Yes its a very alien feeling to us after having years of great neighbours.It still sucks when you have a neighbour who's unreasonable, to date we've been very lucky in that regard, but at least you won't feel like you need to be walking on eggshells around your own home so much.
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