60 mph motorways
Discussion
sim72 said:
Pothole said:
It's been in on the M6 for months - 60 between junctions 6&7 - but, as it's on a section with no cameras (yet) it's pretty much universally ignored. (by all them others, officer).
And then the NSL boards come up just before J8, just in time for everyone to accelerate and get caught by the speed camera just before the M5 feed-in which is inevitably set to 50 
oyster said:
25+ trackdays a year here, love a b-road meander but a boring motorway?. If you think doing 70 on the M1 in a diesel Hyundai makes a great PH’er, then I’d rather not be one.
25+ trackdays/year is about 3 per month during the season. I'm not sure whether to be impressed or feel sorry for you 
Nickbrapp said:
The m32 section that’s 40 is barely even a motorway though, it’s about a mile of 2 lane section over a bridge and it’s always so congested you’ll lucky to be able to do 40 along it, it’s also got a bus lane on it with average speed cameras
so like a dual carriageway which has a 70mph limit then The 40mph limit was introduced due to an unsafe barrier as I recall, years ago!
Nickbrapp said:
bigothunter said:
"In some instances, the limits are even lower, with a portion of the M621 already being limited to 50mph while a section of the M32 has a 40mph limit."
Never believed I would see 40mph limit on a perfectly good motorway. Just how low can you go? 30mph, 20 even?
The m32 section that’s 40 is barely even a motorway though, it’s about a mile of 2 lane section over a bridge and it’s always so congested you’ll lucky to be able to do 40 along it, it’s also got a bus lane on it with average speed cameras Never believed I would see 40mph limit on a perfectly good motorway. Just how low can you go? 30mph, 20 even?
grumpy52 said:
Over the years my most regular drive of any distance has been from the Uxbridge/Heathrow area to the Dover/Deal area, the difference between a regular car at normal speeds and a truck limited to 90kph is negligible. If anything the journey in a restricted truck is more relaxing .
So let's restrict all road vehicles to 56mph (90km/h) - pure brilliance. As promoted by "car enthusiasts" on PistonHeads. Yow just couldn't make up it 
bigothunter said:
grumpy52 said:
Over the years my most regular drive of any distance has been from the Uxbridge/Heathrow area to the Dover/Deal area, the difference between a regular car at normal speeds and a truck limited to 90kph is negligible. If anything the journey in a restricted truck is more relaxing .
So let's restrict all road vehicles to 56mph (90km/h) - pure brilliance. As promoted by "car enthusiasts" on PistonHeads. Yow just couldn't make up it I don't see why some PHers also equate being an enthusiast only with those who wish to drive quicker than our current limits. It is possible to be an enthusiast & derive pleasure from other values in motoring. It's not bound by one group or sub-set of enthusiasts rules/values. Driving enjoyment is derived from different aspects of the activity by different people.
DaveE87 said:
marksx said:
The M621 has been 50 for as long as I can remember.
Which actually works pretty well for the amount of junctions in a short space of time. I just wish they'd increase it to 70 on the approach to the M1 as the 50 limit is largely ignored by many at that point anyway.vonhosen said:
You see I don't see that's what grumpy52 is saying at all. Just that with our current limits & volumes of traffic it doesn't make a great deal of difference if you are in a car (with car limits available) or in a truck that is limited to 90kph with your journey times.
I don't see why some PHers also equate being an enthusiast only with those who wish to drive quicker than our current limits. It is possible to be an enthusiast & derive pleasure from other values in motoring. It's not bound by one group of enthusiasts rules/values.
Pedal cycles can be faster in our escalating 20mph limits but pure motoring pleasure is still ours I don't see why some PHers also equate being an enthusiast only with those who wish to drive quicker than our current limits. It is possible to be an enthusiast & derive pleasure from other values in motoring. It's not bound by one group of enthusiasts rules/values.
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
You see I don't see that's what grumpy52 is saying at all. Just that with our current limits & volumes of traffic it doesn't make a great deal of difference if you are in a car (with car limits available) or in a truck that is limited to 90kph with your journey times.
I don't see why some PHers also equate being an enthusiast only with those who wish to drive quicker than our current limits. It is possible to be an enthusiast & derive pleasure from other values in motoring. It's not bound by one group of enthusiasts rules/values.
Pedal cycles can be faster in our escalating 20mph limits but pure motoring pleasure is still ours I don't see why some PHers also equate being an enthusiast only with those who wish to drive quicker than our current limits. It is possible to be an enthusiast & derive pleasure from other values in motoring. It's not bound by one group of enthusiasts rules/values.
Some people derive motoring pleasure & will describe themselves as motoring enthusiasts, where the pleasure they gain is from rebuilding & maintaining a classic car, then bimbling along a country road whilst enjoying the view.
Now that's not what I'm interested in, but who am I (or you) to say that their brand of enjoyment doesn't make them a motoring 'enthusiast' when that is exactly how they see themselves.
You (or I) don't own it or define it.
LunarOne said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
So a question I’d like to ask. If a lower speed limit is introduced for pollution reason (eg 50mph) but you sped past at 93 you could be persecuted for dangerous driving due to the posted speed limit. However the lower limit is for pollution not safety so would you be able to argue this as a defence in court. Ie I was doing 93 in - road that would normally be a 70 and only isn’t because pollution and not safety?
Yes you could easily be prosecuted for dangerous driving.. Other traffic obeying the limit would not expect traffic from behind to be closing at nearly double the speed limit, so may pull out in front of the speeding vehicle without realising the danger. Even without scaling the speed proportionally, it's the equivalent of traffic closing on 70mph traffic at 113mph, or proportionally 130mph in a 70mph zone. UK drivers do not expect such closing speeds, while German drivers experience it routinely and should know not to pull out without checking carefully.Not always though...
vonhosen said:
Some people derive motoring pleasure & will describe themselves as motoring enthusiasts, where the pleasure they gain is from rebuilding & maintaining a classic car, then bimbling along a country road whilst enjoying the view.
Now that's not what I'm interested in, but who am I (or you) to say that their brand of enjoyment doesn't make them a motoring 'enthusiast' when that is exactly how they see themselves.
You (or I) don't own it or define it.
Subject of this thread is speed limit reduction. Limit means to restrict or curb. You may have noticed that lower speed limits are spreading like wildfire across out roads.Now that's not what I'm interested in, but who am I (or you) to say that their brand of enjoyment doesn't make them a motoring 'enthusiast' when that is exactly how they see themselves.
You (or I) don't own it or define it.
They do not affect classic car owners bimbling along. But they limit my driving pleasure and extend my journey times. Many other enthusiasts will oppose their options being restricted or curbed.
bigothunter said:
vonhosen said:
Some people derive motoring pleasure & will describe themselves as motoring enthusiasts, where the pleasure they gain is from rebuilding & maintaining a classic car, then bimbling along a country road whilst enjoying the view.
Now that's not what I'm interested in, but who am I (or you) to say that their brand of enjoyment doesn't make them a motoring 'enthusiast' when that is exactly how they see themselves.
You (or I) don't own it or define it.
Subject of this thread is speed limit reduction. Limit means to restrict or curb. You may have noticed that lower speed limits are spreading like wildfire across out roads.Now that's not what I'm interested in, but who am I (or you) to say that their brand of enjoyment doesn't make them a motoring 'enthusiast' when that is exactly how they see themselves.
You (or I) don't own it or define it.
They do not affect classic car owners bimbling along. But they limit my driving pleasure and extend my journey times. Many other enthusiasts will oppose their options being restricted or curbed.
If you do so they are less likely to support or be sympathetic to your plight, not more.
vonhosen said:
But that doesn't mean you can denigrate other enthusiasts (& proclaim that they aren't enthusiasts) simply because they don't share your values & get their motoring pleasure in other ways.
If you do so they are less likely to support or be sympathetic to your plight, not more.
Likewise I expect those deriving pleasure in other ways, to be open to the needs of all motoring enthusiasts. Especially significant today when all enthusiasts (a very small minority of drivers) are under attack from so many quarters.If you do so they are less likely to support or be sympathetic to your plight, not more.
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