60 mph motorways
Discussion
oyster said:
Also probably one of those who bemoans how real world MPG is not like that claim by the manufacturer!
I was getting 70+ mpg from my SLK250CDi on this me commutes. It was ridiculous.Funnily enough said ex colleague was on the phone yesterday and he was moaning about it, and it was years ago.
bigothunter said:
Yup I agree - fitting noisy exhausts and removing catalysts are utterly ridiculous actions. Many noisy road cars would not pass club racing / higher trackday limits, and the problem is getting worse 
I live on a semi-rural 30mph road that is a road out to the countryside - Lancashire/ York’s moors etc. The loud exhaust problem has reached, IMO, critical mass. The noise on weekends is absolutely incredible - as someone above pointed out, it’s worse than a racetrack. There are probably a few hundred really loud exhausts a day. We’ve been in this house 18 years and are about 50 yards from the road and it’s getting worse and worse. What makes it worse is that most of them are either s
tbox Corsas or fat accountants on dreadful Harleys. Psycho Warren said:
I bet these speed limits wont go back up to 70 when most cars are EV's.
The next excuse will be noise pollution, or risk to wildlife getting run over or some other bullst excuse.
Apparently we need a blanket 50 mph limit across our road network including motorways The next excuse will be noise pollution, or risk to wildlife getting run over or some other bulls
t excuse.
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Dog Star said:
oyster said:
Also probably one of those who bemoans how real world MPG is not like that claim by the manufacturer!
I was getting 70+ mpg from my SLK250CDi on this me commutes. It was ridiculous.Funnily enough said ex colleague was on the phone yesterday and he was moaning about it, and it was years ago.
bigothunter said:
Yup I agree - fitting noisy exhausts and removing catalysts are utterly ridiculous actions. Many noisy road cars would not pass club racing / higher trackday limits, and the problem is getting worse
I live on a semi-rural 30mph road that is a road out to the countryside - Lancashire/ York’s moors etc. The loud exhaust problem has reached, IMO, critical mass. The noise on weekends is absolutely incredible - as someone above pointed out, it’s worse than a racetrack. There are probably a few hundred really loud exhausts a day. We’ve been in this house 18 years and are about 50 yards from the road and it’s getting worse and worse. What makes it worse is that most of them are either stbox Corsas or fat accountants on dreadful Harleys. It's also why so many people are so angry when driving - too many badly thought out rules and fines and punishments for every single little thing.
JimSuperSix said:
Yeah thats what happens when you impose so many ridiculous rules and limits on people - they have to have their fun in other ways - 60 limits become 40s for no apparent reason so people make noise instead of "speed" to have fun.
I think this loud exhausts thing is just the current fashion - like "driving lights" back in the day. Eventually I suppose that it will pass.Dog Star said:
JimSuperSix said:
Yeah thats what happens when you impose so many ridiculous rules and limits on people - they have to have their fun in other ways - 60 limits become 40s for no apparent reason so people make noise instead of "speed" to have fun.
I think this loud exhausts thing is just the current fashion - like "driving lights" back in the day. Eventually I suppose that it will pass.LunarOne said:
In the short term, maximum allowable exhaust noise emissions are being reduced annually, and in Paris, they have noise cameras. I believe they are being trialled in London too. In the longer term, engines are being phased out which will solve the issue once and for all. And when you do hear a vintage Lamborghini screaming down the road at 20 mph, you'll consider it as anachronistically quaint as we do Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
I think for many having a loud car or one that feels “sporty” is seen as a last chance before the new age of personal transport which is purely to get you from A to B in relative silence, comfort and safety, although personal transport itself is likely to become a target for reduction. To be fair if you were starting from scratch I doubt anyone would design a transport system like we have and the concept of driving for fun simply wouldn’t be on the table.
It has been fun though whilst it lasts and why many will put off ditching their fantasy of sports cars on the road no matter how inane they may seem to others, until it is regulated out.
Just to resurrect an old thread.
National Highways told to come clean about data
Short version, the lower limits were supposed to be tried for 12 to 15 months, but still in place 2 years later. No evidence published to support that they're effective and the justification put forward ignored other sources of pollution from changed driver behaviour or the benefits from improvements to vehicle fleet. National Highways told to publish data or return limits to NSL.
National Highways told to come clean about data
Short version, the lower limits were supposed to be tried for 12 to 15 months, but still in place 2 years later. No evidence published to support that they're effective and the justification put forward ignored other sources of pollution from changed driver behaviour or the benefits from improvements to vehicle fleet. National Highways told to publish data or return limits to NSL.
livinginasia said:
Great thread resurrection !
Its about time Highways England were called to account over this - although we can expect some interesting stats rather like the ones Khan has massaged to justify the ULEZ expansion, I suppose.
The war on the motorist needs to be reduced.
And what's your suggestion to stop a war that was started by the actions of a small minority of motorists?Its about time Highways England were called to account over this - although we can expect some interesting stats rather like the ones Khan has massaged to justify the ULEZ expansion, I suppose.
The war on the motorist needs to be reduced.
Funnily enough, I was just reading about this on MSN's delightfully crap news page.
If there's a marked improvement, great. Happy to abide by it. If there's something like a 0.02% reduction in emissions then swerve it. Surely with the push for EV, this problem will largely take care of itself in a decade or 2 anyway!
One chap commented that it has an increase in particulate matter from brakes and tyres when people slow down and I suppose it'll have a small area of increased emissions as people get their foot down to get back up to 70 when these zones end?
If there's a marked improvement, great. Happy to abide by it. If there's something like a 0.02% reduction in emissions then swerve it. Surely with the push for EV, this problem will largely take care of itself in a decade or 2 anyway!
One chap commented that it has an increase in particulate matter from brakes and tyres when people slow down and I suppose it'll have a small area of increased emissions as people get their foot down to get back up to 70 when these zones end?
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Math not your strong point?Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
NMNeil said:
livinginasia said:
Great thread resurrection !
Its about time Highways England were called to account over this - although we can expect some interesting stats rather like the ones Khan has massaged to justify the ULEZ expansion, I suppose.
The war on the motorist needs to be reduced.
And what's your suggestion to stop a war that was started by the actions of a small minority of motorists?Its about time Highways England were called to account over this - although we can expect some interesting stats rather like the ones Khan has massaged to justify the ULEZ expansion, I suppose.
The war on the motorist needs to be reduced.
For the greater good...
Just leave earlier...
Super Sonic said:
oyster said:
I’m yet to be convinced that I can travel any quicker from A to B on a 70mph limit motorway than I can on a 60mph limited one, other than during very quiet times. And plainly, by their very emptiness, we don’t use motorways much at quiet times.
Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Math not your strong point?Other than a shallow, short-lived and ultimately futile feeling of progress getting to 70/80 on a busy motorway, it almost always ends up taking the same journey time.
I’ve sat in Lane 1/2 at 58/60 sometimes and watched how I get overtaken by a particularly memorable vehicle doing 70/80 in lane 4, only to then see it again 15 miles later as lane 3/4 snarls up.
Likewise when I’ve been that lane 4 driver passing a slowcoach in lane 1 and then seeing the fecker re-pass me sometime later when we get all nose to tail in lane 4.
I know which one gets me to my destination feeling less stressed.
Maths is very much my strong point - what's your point?
bigothunter said:
NMNeil said:
livinginasia said:
Great thread resurrection !
Its about time Highways England were called to account over this - although we can expect some interesting stats rather like the ones Khan has massaged to justify the ULEZ expansion, I suppose.
The war on the motorist needs to be reduced.
And what's your suggestion to stop a war that was started by the actions of a small minority of motorists?Its about time Highways England were called to account over this - although we can expect some interesting stats rather like the ones Khan has massaged to justify the ULEZ expansion, I suppose.
The war on the motorist needs to be reduced.
For the greater good...
Just leave earlier...
NMNeil said:
And what's your suggestion to stop a war that was started by the actions of a small minority of motorists?
I have hundreds of suggestions:Stop ULEZ expansion as it was signed off using massaged figures.
Remove “smart” motorways and put them back to having a hard shoulder and instead of variable speed limits, use the signs to remind traffic to keep left unless overtaking and police them properly
Remove parking enforcement by ANPR - if you want to charge for parking, make people buy a ticket and employ someone to check them.
Widen the roads again in the City of London and re install the bus stops that are now in live traffic lanes back to where they used to be.
Re phase traffic lights to keep traffic moving and stop turning red to stop traffic for no reason
Reduce tax on fuel
Return a lot of the recently reduced speed limits to where they were for the last 50 years…….
So many more …… this could take all night…..
livinginasia said:
NMNeil said:
And what's your suggestion to stop a war that was started by the actions of a small minority of motorists?
I have hundreds of suggestions:Stop ULEZ expansion as it was signed off using massaged figures.
Remove “smart” motorways and put them back to having a hard shoulder and instead of variable speed limits, use the signs to remind traffic to keep left unless overtaking and police them properly
Remove parking enforcement by ANPR - if you want to charge for parking, make people buy a ticket and employ someone to check them.
Widen the roads again in the City of London and re install the bus stops that are now in live traffic lanes back to where they used to be.
Re phase traffic lights to keep traffic moving and stop turning red to stop traffic for no reason
Reduce tax on fuel
Return a lot of the recently reduced speed limits to where they were for the last 50 years…….
So many more …… this could take all night…..
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