Mandatory Speed Limiters from 6th July 2022
Discussion
rdjohn said:
Another reason why vehicles with internal combustion engines, few driver aids and no speed limiters will maintain their value into the future.
Start looking for your modern classics now, and look after them in perpetuity.
I've started planning already....trying to work out what to buy....Start looking for your modern classics now, and look after them in perpetuity.
MikeM6 said:
exelero said:
Just another way to control us as if hearing and recording every move we do on or offline was not enough….
Oh really? Every move? Do you realise how rediculous that is?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH9Zca1vRM
BobSaunders said:
Have we got to the point in the conversation where someone points out that by placing your foot firmly on the accelerator it will override the proposed limiter. No one will implement a limiter that leaves you potentially in danger e.g. escape.
Just like the ones HGVs have?bigothunter said:
Initially yes but your car will still nag if you exceed limits. But after this familiarisation period, authorities have already stated they plan to 'upgrade' to hard speed limiters without any latitude.
The final nail in the coffin for overtaking.(Yes I know you should be able to overtake within the speed limit, but there's the whole "time exposed to danger" argument...)
CynicalHotTake said:
MikeM6 said:
exelero said:
Just another way to control us as if hearing and recording every move we do on or offline was not enough….
Oh really? Every move? Do you realise how rediculous that is?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4zH9Zca1vRM
Edited by MikeM6 on Sunday 5th September 07:31
VW have ‘travel assist’ as it happens I wrote about it recently
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Long and short is you can’t really turn it off. So say you want to set your adaptive cruise control (ACC) at 85mph, what happens is the travel assist actually keeps being ‘on’ (cos I’m telling you it’s literally impossible to understand how to switch it off), and reading speed limit signs and slowing you down.
It also does all the self braking stuff (if cruise is on) which is pretty crazy on country roads (I tried it) as you hurtle towards unsuitable bends at 60mph and it isn’t braking as it should (as it doesn’t interpret the bends as it may not see them clearly eg lack of white lines denoting edge of tarmac).
Then on the other hand when someone in front of you turns off, it over brakes and almost comes to a halt until they’re well clear at which point it will accelerate back up to speed. The personal behind you will nearly rear-end you as they wonder what the f
k you’re doing.
To people up there ^ saying just put your foot down to overcome it (so is no problem), you have no idea
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Long and short is you can’t really turn it off. So say you want to set your adaptive cruise control (ACC) at 85mph, what happens is the travel assist actually keeps being ‘on’ (cos I’m telling you it’s literally impossible to understand how to switch it off), and reading speed limit signs and slowing you down.
It also does all the self braking stuff (if cruise is on) which is pretty crazy on country roads (I tried it) as you hurtle towards unsuitable bends at 60mph and it isn’t braking as it should (as it doesn’t interpret the bends as it may not see them clearly eg lack of white lines denoting edge of tarmac).
Then on the other hand when someone in front of you turns off, it over brakes and almost comes to a halt until they’re well clear at which point it will accelerate back up to speed. The personal behind you will nearly rear-end you as they wonder what the f
k you’re doing.To people up there ^ saying just put your foot down to overcome it (so is no problem), you have no idea
Edited by CoolHands on Sunday 5th September 09:40
dxg said:
bigothunter said:
Initially yes but your car will still nag if you exceed limits. But after this familiarisation period, authorities have already stated they plan to 'upgrade' to hard speed limiters without any latitude.
The final nail in the coffin for overtaking.(Yes I know you should be able to overtake within the speed limit, but there's the whole "time exposed to danger" argument...)
Psycho Warren said:
Surely you will be able to disable it via obd with the right software as this is an EU market thing not global and many cars are global cars. Even non global cars are likely to have a global engine and/or ecu systems.
That's a very good point. After Brexit, UK authorities have the option of disabling 'Intelligent Speed Assist'* like Rest of World specification. Wonder if we have the balls to defy EU motoring law? * ISA is a superb euphemism, almost an oxymoron
CoolHands said:
VW have ‘travel assist’ as it happens I wrote about it recently
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Long and short is you can’t really turn it off. So say you want to set your adaptive cruise control (ACC) at 85mph, what happens is the travel assist actually keeps being ‘on’ (cos I’m telling you it’s literally impossible to understand how to switch it off), and reading speed limit signs and slowing you down.
It also does all the self braking stuff (if cruise is on) which is pretty crazy on country roads (I tried it) as you hurtle towards unsuitable bends at 60mph and it isn’t braking as it should (as it doesn’t interpret the bends as it may not see them clearly eg lack of white lines denoting edge of tarmac).
Then on the other hand when someone in front of you turns off, it over brakes and almost comes to a halt until they’re well clear at which point it will accelerate back up to speed. The personal behind you will nearly rear-end you as they wonder what the fk you’re doing.
To people up there ^ saying just put your foot down to overcome it (so is no problem), you have no idea
Does this only happen when you are using ACC?https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Long and short is you can’t really turn it off. So say you want to set your adaptive cruise control (ACC) at 85mph, what happens is the travel assist actually keeps being ‘on’ (cos I’m telling you it’s literally impossible to understand how to switch it off), and reading speed limit signs and slowing you down.
It also does all the self braking stuff (if cruise is on) which is pretty crazy on country roads (I tried it) as you hurtle towards unsuitable bends at 60mph and it isn’t braking as it should (as it doesn’t interpret the bends as it may not see them clearly eg lack of white lines denoting edge of tarmac).
Then on the other hand when someone in front of you turns off, it over brakes and almost comes to a halt until they’re well clear at which point it will accelerate back up to speed. The personal behind you will nearly rear-end you as they wonder what the f
k you’re doing.To people up there ^ saying just put your foot down to overcome it (so is no problem), you have no idea
Edited by CoolHands on Sunday 5th September 09:40
It’s hard to tell. You switch in cruise control and set speed. But it seems to engage travel assist when you do so. So it operates as ACC so you can follow others nicely, and set the distance to them reasonably. But it is very hard to know if / how to get off the travel assist aspect of it. Believe me I googled and read the manual. I honestly think it’s deliberate - I’m quite geeky with all that type of stuff and I had to give up.
I had to show my sister how to turn off lane assist (every time you get back in!) but that at least is straight forward. She (and other regulars drivers) would have no chance of working out how to switch the other driver aids off.
This is on the latest 21 plate version (I think it’s version 2 or something)
I had to show my sister how to turn off lane assist (every time you get back in!) but that at least is straight forward. She (and other regulars drivers) would have no chance of working out how to switch the other driver aids off.
This is on the latest 21 plate version (I think it’s version 2 or something)
Jim1556 said:
With the appropriate licence/permit, you can still have a gun. Extreme case in point: the prick who had his permit renewed a few weeks before killing 5 innocent people near Plymouth, 'cos he wasn't getting any!!! Tw@
True, that the gunman was an extreme case, but pick up any newspaper and you get to read articles like this on a regular basis.https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire...
And the worst part is that this idiot will be allowed to own a car again, despite repeatedly showing that he can't be trusted with one.
It would seem that the ability to override the speed limiter is only temporary, and will eventually be removed.
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1482366/...
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1482366/...
bigothunter said:
Authorities can solve that problem by banning overtaking on single carriageway roads and implementing physically divided carriageways where road width permits. Safety conscious Sweden is leading this initiative.
Excellent! That is turning a single carriageway into a dual carriageway and therefor has a 70 limit where the NSL applies! Authorities.
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Oilchange said:
bigothunter said:
Authorities can solve that problem by banning overtaking on single carriageway roads and implementing physically divided carriageways where road width permits. Safety conscious Sweden is leading this initiative.
Excellent! That is turning a single carriageway into a dual carriageway and therefor has a 70 limit where the NSL applies! Authorities.
Making you drive faster since 2021
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