Mandatory Speed Limiters from 6th July 2022

[Monkeylegend]

martinbiz said:

bigothunter said:

Yodafone said:

Wonder will this cause demand in imported cars from countries without speed limters/black boxes fitted.

No because speed limiters/black boxes will be mandatory on ALL new cars sold in the UK from July 2022.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 14th September 11:31

Which has been a thing since being announced in 2018 and you will be able to turn off (for the 10th time!!!)

Not for long, they will get us in the end.

[martinbiz]

Monkeylegend said:

martinbiz said:

bigothunter said:

Yodafone said:

Wonder will this cause demand in imported cars from countries without speed limters/black boxes fitted.

No because speed limiters/black boxes will be mandatory on ALL new cars sold in the UK from July 2022.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 14th September 11:31

Which has been a thing since being announced in 2018 and you will be able to turn off (for the 10th time!!!)

Not for long, they will get us in the end.

Yeah, yeah, yeah of course they will. "Power to the people Smithy"
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[rjfp1962]

Just a thought - But if you have an accident when the speed limiter is switched off. 1) Will it invalidate your insurance, and 2) Make a legal prosecution more likely?

[Oilchange]

I would say unlikely to both but I ain't no lawyer!

[Pixelpeep 135]

rjfp1962 said:

Just a thought - But if you have an accident when the speed limiter is switched off. 1) Will it invalidate your insurance, and 2) Make a legal prosecution more likely?

I guess that would depend if they can prove you were traveling faster than the limit in the first place?

[bigothunter]

martinbiz said:

bigothunter said:

Yodafone said:

Wonder will this cause demand in imported cars from countries without speed limters/black boxes fitted.

No because speed limiters/black boxes will be mandatory on ALL new cars sold in the UK from July 2022.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 14th September 11:31

Which has been a thing since being announced in 2018 and you will be able to turn off (for the 10th time!!!)

European Transport Safety Council has stated that overriding Intelligent Speed Assistance systems would only be a temporary relaxation during their introduction "honeymoon" period, so that drivers can get accustomed to them. Then they will mandate hard limiters just like trucks and vans over 3500kg have today.

Why are some posters so naive to believe otherwise?

[Pixelpeep 135]

bigothunter said:

martinbiz said:

bigothunter said:

Yodafone said:

Wonder will this cause demand in imported cars from countries without speed limters/black boxes fitted.

No because speed limiters/black boxes will be mandatory on ALL new cars sold in the UK from July 2022.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 14th September 11:31

Which has been a thing since being announced in 2018 and you will be able to turn off (for the 10th time!!!)

European Transport Safety Council has stated that overriding Intelligent Speed Assistance systems would only be a temporary relaxation during their introduction "honeymoon" period, so that drivers can get accustomed to them. Then they will mandate hard limiters just like trucks and vans over 3500kg have today.

Why are some posters so naive to believe otherwise?

people don't just use cars on public highways - tracks, private roads, test facilities, airfields etc.

The performance car industry wouldn't accept a hard 70mph limit on their cars regardless of use - it would kill that segment overnight if it can't be overridden.

[jamei303]

If people can GPS spoof to play Pokemon Go while sitting at home, I'm sure they can do it to make the car think it's not on a speed-limited road.

[bigothunter]

Pixelpeep 135 said:

people don't just use cars on public highways - tracks, private roads, test facilities, airfields etc.

The performance car industry wouldn't accept a hard 70mph limit on their cars regardless of use - it would kill that segment overnight if it can't be overridden.

ISA must accommodate unlimited autobahns so race circuits, proving grounds, etc can also remain unlimited.

Performance car industry cannot defend breaking the law. They are powerless.

[Debaser]

Pixelpeep 135 said:

rjfp1962 said:

Just a thought - But if you have an accident when the speed limiter is switched off. 1) Will it invalidate your insurance, and 2) Make a legal prosecution more likely?

I guess that would depend if they can prove you were traveling faster than the limit in the first place?

People are insured today if they crash above the speed limit and/or with stability control switched off. There no way switching off a speed limiter will invalidate insurance.

[bigothunter]

jamei303 said:

If people can GPS spoof to play Pokemon Go while sitting at home, I'm sure they can do it to make the car think it's not on a speed-limited road.

Can ISA reliably differentiate between mph and kph signs/territories? If not, be prepared for a fun time

[Monkeylegend]

bigothunter said:

martinbiz said:

bigothunter said:

Yodafone said:

Wonder will this cause demand in imported cars from countries without speed limters/black boxes fitted.

No because speed limiters/black boxes will be mandatory on ALL new cars sold in the UK from July 2022.

Edited by bigothunter on Tuesday 14th September 11:31

Which has been a thing since being announced in 2018 and you will be able to turn off (for the 10th time!!!)

European Transport Safety Council has stated that overriding Intelligent Speed Assistance systems would only be a temporary relaxation during their introduction "honeymoon" period, so that drivers can get accustomed to them. Then they will mandate hard limiters just like trucks and vans over 3500kg have today.

Why are some posters so naive to believe otherwise?

I have told him but you can take a horse to water etc...................................

[Debaser]

bigothunter said:

Can ISA reliably differentiate between mph and kph signs/territories? If not, be prepared for a fun time

If you want a glimpse of the future, just use cruise control in a Mk. 8 Golf. My favourite experience so far was when I was doing 80ish in the outside lane of a busy motorway, the system incorrectly picked up on a 30mph sign, then got confused between mph and kph, changed the cruise control set speed to 19mph and started braking down to that speed.

[doggydog33]

I thought that all cars going for new type approval from July 2022 had to be fitted with speed limiters and all existing models had to have them installed (when bought new) from 2024?
Can anyone confirm?

Regards, doggydog.

[martinbiz]

doggydog33 said:

I thought that all cars going for new type approval from July 2022 had to be fitted with speed limiters and all existing models had to have them installed (when bought new) from 2024?
Can anyone confirm?

Regards, doggydog.

Have you actually read any of this thread, or is that tongue in cheek

[martinbiz]

Debaser said:

bigothunter said:

Can ISA reliably differentiate between mph and kph signs/territories? If not, be prepared for a fun time

If you want a glimpse of the future, just use cruise control in a Mk. 8 Golf. My favourite experience so far was when I was doing 80ish in the outside lane of a busy motorway, the system incorrectly picked up on a 30mph sign, then got confused between mph and kph, changed the cruise control set speed to 19mph and started braking down to that speed.

So you go into the menu and turn off the adaptive setting in cruise control just like you will be able to do with a speed limiter

[doggydog33]

martinbiz said:

Have you actually read any of this thread, or is that tongue in cheek

To be fair, I ‘skim read’ it. Ignore me, as you were!

[bigothunter]

martinbiz said:

Debaser said:

bigothunter said:

Can ISA reliably differentiate between mph and kph signs/territories? If not, be prepared for a fun time

If you want a glimpse of the future, just use cruise control in a Mk. 8 Golf. My favourite experience so far was when I was doing 80ish in the outside lane of a busy motorway, the system incorrectly picked up on a 30mph sign, then got confused between mph and kph, changed the cruise control set speed to 19mph and started braking down to that speed.

So you go into the menu and turn off the adaptive setting in cruise control just like you will be able to do with a speed limiter

Is that before or after the car behind has hit you up the arse?

[Debaser]

martinbiz said:

So you go into the menu and turn off the adaptive setting in cruise control just like you will be able to do with a speed limiter

If cruise is on it’s adaptive. It’s impossible to use cruise without it trying to change your speed to match new limits.

Don’t you think going into a menu and turning off a limiter at the start of every journey might get rather annoying?

A system that functions so badly you have to switch it off to be able to drive safely has completely failed and shouldn’t be allowed.

[bigothunter]

Debaser said:

If cruise is on it’s adaptive. It’s impossible to use cruise without it trying to change your speed to match new limits.

Don’t you think going into a menu and turning off a limiter at the start of every journey might get rather annoying?

A system that functions so badly you have to switch it off to be able to drive safely has completely failed and shouldn’t be allowed.

Your comments made me wonder how adaptive cruise control systems were certified by EU.

Base systems such as brakes, tyres and steering have copious regulations. But I can't find anything specific about cruise control. Closest I found was this:

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/special...

Have EU authorities left road users exposed to danger? Should VW be held responsible and fined accordingly?