Mandatory Speed Limiters from 6th July 2022
Discussion
bigothunter said:
Your comments made me wonder how adaptive cruise control systems were certified by EU.
Base systems such as brakes, tyres and steering have copious regulations. But I can't find anything specific about cruise control. Closest I found was this:
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/special...
Have EU authorities left road users exposed to danger? Should VW be held responsible and fined accordingly?
Good point, I don't know how involved certification would get. VW sold me a dangerous car, yet still don't have a way of fixing it.Base systems such as brakes, tyres and steering have copious regulations. But I can't find anything specific about cruise control. Closest I found was this:
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/special...
Have EU authorities left road users exposed to danger? Should VW be held responsible and fined accordingly?
If you're interested, this video highlights some of the issues with the Mk.8 Golf.
Debaser said:
martinbiz said:
So you go into the menu and turn off the adaptive setting in cruise control just like you will be able to do with a speed limiter
If cruise is on it’s adaptive. It’s impossible to use cruise without it trying to change your speed to match new limits. Don’t you think going into a menu and turning off a limiter at the start of every journey might get rather annoying?
A system that functions so badly you have to switch it off to be able to drive safely has completely failed and shouldn’t be allowed.
martinbiz said:
Really mine isn’t, you can turn it off in the menu and it stays of, same as Lane assist another of my hates, neither come back on when you cycle the ignition. It is quite well hidden in the depths because they don’t want you to turn it if I guess. I had the worst experience with mine when it was a week old the first time I used cruise I was on the M25 in the rain in the outside lane overtaking, nothing in front of me for a good 3 or 400 yards going round a long left hander for some reason it picked up a car in the middle lane probably 25 yards in front and going 30 mph slower and literally smashed the brakes on to the point that the abs activated, absolutely mental. My view is if people need all these aids to help them get from a to b without crashing then they really should be sticking to the bus
I agree with you - if people need lane keep assist to drive safely, they shouldn't be allowed a licence.The only way to avoid the cruise control in my car from changing speeds based on limits it notices is to avoid using cruise control entirely. There's no way to make it act like 'dumb' cruise.
The regulations will mean that, very soon, all new cars will have lane keep assist on by default every time you start your car, and these new speed limiters will be the same. At the start of every journey in my car I spend about a minute going through confusing menus to turn off lane keep assist, turn off forward alert, turn off eco stop, change the vehicle mode to minimise the fake engine sound through the speakers, change the touchscreen to show the navigation map, etc. In a couple of years I'll have to add turning off the speed limiter to that list.
I guess as I sit there, engine running, turning off all that crap, my average journey speeds are kept low which is what they want.
martinbiz said:
Really mine isn’t, you can turn it off in the menu and it stays of, same as Lane assist another of my hates, neither come back on when you cycle the ignition. It is quite well hidden in the depths because they don’t want you to turn it if I guess. I had the worst experience with mine when it was a week old the first time I used cruise I was on the M25 in the rain in the outside lane overtaking, nothing in front of me for a good 3 or 400 yards going round a long left hander for some reason it picked up a car in the middle lane probably 25 yards in front and going 30 mph slower and literally smashed the brakes on to the point that the abs activated, absolutely mental. My view is if people need all these aids to help them get from a to b without crashing then they really should be sticking to the bus
We need fully autonomous car urgently with all the other advantages they bring 
Interested to see how this works. I have a car coming next year and as usual picking it up at factory. North American spec delivered in Europe.
I always go to the Nürburgring which has some short speed limits. On a tourist day it is technically a one way toll road. Can’t imagine the impact of an unexpected sudden slowdown on a busy day !
I always go to the Nürburgring which has some short speed limits. On a tourist day it is technically a one way toll road. Can’t imagine the impact of an unexpected sudden slowdown on a busy day !
RDMcG said:
Interested to see how this works. I have a car coming next year and as usual picking it up at factory. North American spec delivered in Europe.
I always go to the Nürburgring which has some short speed limits. On a tourist day it is technically a one way toll road. Can’t imagine the impact of an unexpected sudden slowdown on a busy day !
Impact is the appropriate word I always go to the Nürburgring which has some short speed limits. On a tourist day it is technically a one way toll road. Can’t imagine the impact of an unexpected sudden slowdown on a busy day !
Oilchange said:
bigothunter said:
Pixelpeep 135 said:
There is no such thing as tamper proof
Wishing you every success in the quest to defeat speed limiting control systems 
This topic came up in conversation today and I have mixed feelings, thoughts and views. Some of this may be captured earlier so apologies if repeating points …
Speed limits across Europe have been falling in recent years with many reducing KPH from 130 to 110, and even the Autobahns are being looked at for reduction or limits. Why? Well all in the name of safety and saving lives so any thoughts of an 80mph national speed limit arriving in the UK should be forgotten as this will definitely not happen.
I then brought up how this would work, mixing modern electronically restricted cars with nice classics that dont have and ‘probably cannot’ have this tech, the type of vehicles that are enjoyed on early bright weekend mornings for example. The response was … buy a trailer and take it to and from events …
My next question was this, Why then, with this tech clearly on its way for some time and commencing with all new cars from next month, are the likes of BMW M decision launching the 3 Touring? And what is the point of any car being manufactured to do more than 70mph? I was told the power will be used to provide the thrill of acceleration and that my thinking most cars were becoming irrelevant was ‘ignorant’ as anything over 70 is in breach of the UK National Speed limit.
Factor into this the current global issues, COVID-19 (still 1/40 have the disease), war, fuel costs for home and transport and it does make you think about bailing out of performance cars and using the saved ££ to drive my new electrically limited transportation to the circuit of my choosing where I can get my performance motoring ‘fix’ before returning home in said wagon, which, before long will be fully autonomous making me a passenger in my own car ….
One option could be … I believe that The Highway Code says horses, pedestrians and cyclist have priority so maybe the answer to enjoying (not overly long) journeys could be an electric cycle, at least until they too become restricted …
A closing thought … its likely too late to defer these changes but maybe, just maybe, if as petrolheads we ALL drove within the speed limits and gave consideration to others the reduction in casualties and deaths could be acheived and we might convince big brother not to be driving our cars for us for a little longer …
Speed limits across Europe have been falling in recent years with many reducing KPH from 130 to 110, and even the Autobahns are being looked at for reduction or limits. Why? Well all in the name of safety and saving lives so any thoughts of an 80mph national speed limit arriving in the UK should be forgotten as this will definitely not happen.
I then brought up how this would work, mixing modern electronically restricted cars with nice classics that dont have and ‘probably cannot’ have this tech, the type of vehicles that are enjoyed on early bright weekend mornings for example. The response was … buy a trailer and take it to and from events …
My next question was this, Why then, with this tech clearly on its way for some time and commencing with all new cars from next month, are the likes of BMW M decision launching the 3 Touring? And what is the point of any car being manufactured to do more than 70mph? I was told the power will be used to provide the thrill of acceleration and that my thinking most cars were becoming irrelevant was ‘ignorant’ as anything over 70 is in breach of the UK National Speed limit.
Factor into this the current global issues, COVID-19 (still 1/40 have the disease), war, fuel costs for home and transport and it does make you think about bailing out of performance cars and using the saved ££ to drive my new electrically limited transportation to the circuit of my choosing where I can get my performance motoring ‘fix’ before returning home in said wagon, which, before long will be fully autonomous making me a passenger in my own car ….
One option could be … I believe that The Highway Code says horses, pedestrians and cyclist have priority so maybe the answer to enjoying (not overly long) journeys could be an electric cycle, at least until they too become restricted …
A closing thought … its likely too late to defer these changes but maybe, just maybe, if as petrolheads we ALL drove within the speed limits and gave consideration to others the reduction in casualties and deaths could be acheived and we might convince big brother not to be driving our cars for us for a little longer …
senninha2 said:
A closing thought … its likely too late to defer these changes but maybe, just maybe, if as petrolheads we ALL drove within the speed limits and gave consideration to others the reduction in casualties and deaths could be acheived and we might convince big brother not to be driving our cars for us for a little longer …
No previous reduction in casualties has led to any easing of the 'war on motorists', so why would anyone believe that it would happen now?And it's going to get worse ......... (at the risk of spoiling all petrol heads day, life, reason for existing) ....... the EU plan is that as from 2025 you will NOT be able to turn off the technology that restricts the vehicle to the speed limit. Also from 2026 the plan is to reduce the noise level down to a staggeringly low 68dB. That is less than next doors kids make playing in the garden and substantially less than an articulated truck makes bouncing down the potholed road through our village.
At the risk of sounding like an old git (which I can because I am one) it is very clear that those of us who have been around the sport car game for a looooong time, have clearly had the best years.
I also find the performance "arms race" that appears to be going on with EV's is rather nutty. How long will it be before 'the men in the ministry' step in and restrict EV performance. To put that in context ..... someone I know has on order a Tesla S Plaid which reputedly can do 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds. And no doubt he'll want to try. Damp road, greasy spot ....... hello tree- lamp post- dead walker.
By the way I'm not Mr Grumpy ....... I own several cars that can do way more than twice the national speed limit.
At the risk of sounding like an old git (which I can because I am one) it is very clear that those of us who have been around the sport car game for a looooong time, have clearly had the best years.
I also find the performance "arms race" that appears to be going on with EV's is rather nutty. How long will it be before 'the men in the ministry' step in and restrict EV performance. To put that in context ..... someone I know has on order a Tesla S Plaid which reputedly can do 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds. And no doubt he'll want to try. Damp road, greasy spot ....... hello tree- lamp post- dead walker.
By the way I'm not Mr Grumpy ....... I own several cars that can do way more than twice the national speed limit.
mmm-five said:
senninha2 said:
A closing thought … its likely too late to defer these changes but maybe, just maybe, if as petrolheads we ALL drove within the speed limits and gave consideration to others the reduction in casualties and deaths could be acheived and we might convince big brother not to be driving our cars for us for a little longer …
No previous reduction in casualties has led to any easing of the 'war on motorists', so why would anyone believe that it would happen now?Steve Dean said:
And it's going to get worse ......... (at the risk of spoiling all petrol heads day, life, reason for existing) ....... the EU plan is that as from 2025 you will NOT be able to turn off the technology that restricts the vehicle to the speed limit. Also from 2026 the plan is to reduce the noise level down to a staggeringly low 68dB. That is less than next doors kids make playing in the garden and substantially less than an articulated truck makes bouncing down the potholed road through our village.
At the risk of sounding like an old git (which I can because I am one) it is very clear that those of us who have been around the sport car game for a looooong time, have clearly had the best years.
I also find the performance "arms race" that appears to be going on with EV's is rather nutty. How long will it be before 'the men in the ministry' step in and restrict EV performance. To put that in context ..... someone I know has on order a Tesla S Plaid which reputedly can do 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds. And no doubt he'll want to try. Damp road, greasy spot ....... hello tree- lamp post- dead walker.
By the way I'm not Mr Grumpy ....... I own several cars that can do way more than twice the national speed limit.
As another old git I am keeping a number of unrestricted cars indefinitely. I remain unsure of the specificity of the regulations- for example if a model is in production does the regulation kick in mid-cycle or only for new models?At the risk of sounding like an old git (which I can because I am one) it is very clear that those of us who have been around the sport car game for a looooong time, have clearly had the best years.
I also find the performance "arms race" that appears to be going on with EV's is rather nutty. How long will it be before 'the men in the ministry' step in and restrict EV performance. To put that in context ..... someone I know has on order a Tesla S Plaid which reputedly can do 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds. And no doubt he'll want to try. Damp road, greasy spot ....... hello tree- lamp post- dead walker.
By the way I'm not Mr Grumpy ....... I own several cars that can do way more than twice the national speed limit.
How about upgrades/additions to a range.? For example the current 992 GT3 will soon be supplanted by the 992 GT3RS,after the regulation date. Is it possible there will be a restricted GT3RS and an unrestricted GT3?
Also, the EU regulations do not apply here in North America, so will there be unrestricted cars here, and what would happen with factory delivery of an N.A. spec car which I have done many times.?
Many questions.
Steve Dean said:
And it's going to get worse ......... (at the risk of spoiling all petrol heads day, life, reason for existing) ....... the EU plan is that as from 2025 you will NOT be able to turn off the technology that restricts the vehicle to the speed limit. Also from 2026 the plan is to reduce the noise level down to a staggeringly low 68dB. That is less than next doors kids make playing in the garden and substantially less than an articulated truck makes bouncing down the potholed road through our village.
At the risk of sounding like an old git (which I can because I am one) it is very clear that those of us who have been around the sport car game for a looooong time, have clearly had the best years.
I also find the performance "arms race" that appears to be going on with EV's is rather nutty. How long will it be before 'the men in the ministry' step in and restrict EV performance. To put that in context ..... someone I know has on order a Tesla S Plaid which reputedly can do 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds. And no doubt he'll want to try. Damp road, greasy spot ....... hello tree- lamp post- dead walker.
By the way I'm not Mr Grumpy ....... I own several cars that can do way more than twice the national speed limit.
2.1 to 60 At the risk of sounding like an old git (which I can because I am one) it is very clear that those of us who have been around the sport car game for a looooong time, have clearly had the best years.
I also find the performance "arms race" that appears to be going on with EV's is rather nutty. How long will it be before 'the men in the ministry' step in and restrict EV performance. To put that in context ..... someone I know has on order a Tesla S Plaid which reputedly can do 0-60MPH in 2.9 seconds. And no doubt he'll want to try. Damp road, greasy spot ....... hello tree- lamp post- dead walker.
By the way I'm not Mr Grumpy ....... I own several cars that can do way more than twice the national speed limit.
and for 20 years+ your average joe has been able to log into autotrader and find a Yamaha R6 for pocket change that would most certainly end up in a fiery death for at least one person but there doesn't seem to be anyone 'stepping in'
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