Mandatory Speed Limiters from 6th July 2022
Discussion
M4cruiser said:
Monkeylegend said:
But you will also be limited to 20 in a 20 zone.
Problem is the cars can't always work out what the limit is.Driving round a major town yesterday in southern England, the Fiesta (2019 model) thought a 40 was a 60; it's been 40 for a long time there. There is also a 40 that's been temporarily wiped out down to 30, and the Fiesta still thinks it's 40.
Waiting for the threads next year "Pinged for 60 in a 40 but the car said the limit was 60"......
But what will people b
h and moan about on here when no one is getting done for speeding?
I suspect this will have quite the effect on new car sales for the next few years. "Would sir like a new car governed by a computer or a 1 year old one for less money that you can control yourself?"
h and moan about on here when no one is getting done for speeding?I suspect this will have quite the effect on new car sales for the next few years. "Would sir like a new car governed by a computer or a 1 year old one for less money that you can control yourself?"
This is a piece of EU legislation that the UK are also going to adopt. It only affects new models introduced after May 2022 and must be fitted to all current models from 2024 but only affects new vehicles. Worryingly it also has to incorporate lane departure warnings and data loggers too which potentially means the car can be interrogated and its usage downloaded. Initially it will be on by default but the driver can opt to turn it off. It's been predicted to change to mandatory use after the initial period. It will use a combination of road side sign recognition and GPS mapping to work out the speed limit and slow the vehicle accordingly if the speed limit lowers.
My C63 has all this stuff in place already, the sign recognition and lane departure is a novelty at first but becomes a pain after a while. The speed limiter is useful when approaching speed cameras but ultimately it's another piece of Big Brother EU crap we don't need.
My C63 has all this stuff in place already, the sign recognition and lane departure is a novelty at first but becomes a pain after a while. The speed limiter is useful when approaching speed cameras but ultimately it's another piece of Big Brother EU crap we don't need.
Does anyone believe that post 2022 the 'brake club' won't be lobbying Government to bring in new legislation so that if you are pinged by a camera speeding in a 2022 on car then the fine will be multiplied as you clearly - "disabled the 'safety' device and then purposely exceeded the limit. "
All smacks of another Perverting the course of justice type opportunity.
All smacks of another Perverting the course of justice type opportunity.
Ivan stewart said:
gazza285 said:
Has there been a car made in the last fifty years that cannot exceed 70?
Most Honda jazz’s and people carriers, they also struggle to run in lane one of the motorway even when it’s empty.
Top speed: 106mph - And that's just the 1.2 version
It's a nice little attempt at humour (assuming you were trying to be funny of course), but it's complete bulls**t.
The fact that pretty much all Honda Jazz drivers never exceed 70mph, doesn't mean the vehicle can't exceed 70mph (Given enough time and distance of course! )
Most Ferrari/Porsche/Lamborghini driver's will never exceed 150mph - Doesn't mean the cars can't do it!
Monkeylegend said:
Oh yea of little faith.
Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
This new technology will enable entire zones to be electronically cordoned off to private cars. Aligned to current trend of banning cars from city centres, but available selectively in times of 'emergency'. Just another case of mission creep.Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
Why should the authorities resist temptation to exert this control?
Monkeylegend said:
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
With fully autonomous (level 5) control being the solution for private transport in western society.Time to admit the game is up. Cars are for transport, not fun. What a miserable prospect
bigothunter said:
Monkeylegend said:
Oh yea of little faith.
Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
This new technology will enable entire zones to be electronically cordoned off to private cars. Aligned to current trend of banning cars from city centres, but available selectively in times of 'emergency'. Just another case of mission creep.Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
Why should the authorities resist temptation to exert this control?
Monkeylegend said:
bigothunter said:
Monkeylegend said:
Oh yea of little faith.
Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
This new technology will enable entire zones to be electronically cordoned off to private cars. Aligned to current trend of banning cars from city centres, but available selectively in times of 'emergency'. Just another case of mission creep.Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
Why should the authorities resist temptation to exert this control?
bigothunter said:
Monkeylegend said:
bigothunter said:
Monkeylegend said:
Oh yea of little faith.
Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
This new technology will enable entire zones to be electronically cordoned off to private cars. Aligned to current trend of banning cars from city centres, but available selectively in times of 'emergency'. Just another case of mission creep.Speed cameras will become a thing of the past, you will be receiving fines for speeding, parking and other driving infringements automatically generated from the systems built into your car.
The next step will be disabling your car remotely if you are doing anything considered to be anti social or law breaking.
We are facing a whole new world of motoring pain in the next 20 years or so, enjoy it now while you can
Why should the authorities resist temptation to exert this control?
Popular label today is boomer.
I like you won't be worrying about the future, I have had 50 plus years already of very enjoyable motoring so am content to wind down gracefully.
I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
Monkeylegend said:
I like you won't be worrying about the future, I have had 50 plus years already of very enjoyable motoring so am content to wind down gracefully.
I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
Motorbike test passed in 1969, car test in 1970. Almost 52 years on the road, mostly enjoyable. But the trends are horrible and the motoring future grim I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
bigothunter said:
Monkeylegend said:
I like you won't be worrying about the future, I have had 50 plus years already of very enjoyable motoring so am content to wind down gracefully.
I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
Motorbike test passed in 1969, car test in 1970. Almost 52 years on the road, mostly enjoyable. But the trends are horrible and the motoring future grim I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
anonymous said:
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It's no doubt easier and cheaper to mass-produce cars that meet EU requirements and we accept them too, rather than produce cars with and without limiters for different markets.Plus the likelihood the EU would ban cars legislated to have limiters from their roads if they do not.
Aside from that, methinks this is all done to get us into electric cars. The slower we drive, the longer the range of a lec car and the more likely we are to say 'sod it, may as well then'.
With limiters even though many will turn them off, quite a few won't and if they are holding up traffic all over the place - job done.
jondude said:
It's no doubt easier and cheaper to mass-produce cars that meet EU requirements and we accept them too, rather than produce cars with and without limiters for different markets.
Plus the likelihood the EU would ban cars legislated to have limiters from their roads if they do not.
Aside from that, methinks this is all done to get us into electric cars. The slower we drive, the longer the range of a lec car and the more likely we are to say 'sod it, may as well then'.
With limiters even though many will turn them off, quite a few won't and if they are holding up traffic all over the place - job done.
The car in front is driving precisely at the speed limit even in the outside lane of motorways. That will generate some long queues of frustrated motorists Plus the likelihood the EU would ban cars legislated to have limiters from their roads if they do not.
Aside from that, methinks this is all done to get us into electric cars. The slower we drive, the longer the range of a lec car and the more likely we are to say 'sod it, may as well then'.
With limiters even though many will turn them off, quite a few won't and if they are holding up traffic all over the place - job done.
I drive a big 23ft 3500kg van frequently. It has a towing pack which includes a tachograph and 70mph fixed speed limiter.
Catching middle lane hoggers happens all the time. When not towing the race car, I venture to the outside "overtaking" lane. They don't like being overtaken so accelerate to match my speed of 70mph.
I have three options:
Slow down and fall in behind them when invariably they decelerate to their previous cruising speed, still in the middle lane.
Or put on the left indicator to encourage them to pull into the empty inside lane. Most refuse this second option.
Or "undertake" illegally in the empty inside lane, but only if they don't match my speed again.
This accelerating/decelerating cycle can repeat numerous times before a constant 70mph cruise is regained. This is the future for all of us, starting 2022
Catching middle lane hoggers happens all the time. When not towing the race car, I venture to the outside "overtaking" lane. They don't like being overtaken so accelerate to match my speed of 70mph.
I have three options:
Slow down and fall in behind them when invariably they decelerate to their previous cruising speed, still in the middle lane.
Or put on the left indicator to encourage them to pull into the empty inside lane. Most refuse this second option.
Or "undertake" illegally in the empty inside lane, but only if they don't match my speed again.
This accelerating/decelerating cycle can repeat numerous times before a constant 70mph cruise is regained. This is the future for all of us, starting 2022
bigothunter said:
I drive a big 23ft 3500kg van frequently. It has a towing pack which includes a tachograph and 70mph fixed speed limiter.
Catching middle lane hoggers happens all the time. When not towing the race car, I venture to the outside "overtaking" lane. They don't like being overtaken so accelerate to match my speed of 70mph.
I have three options:
Slow down and fall in behind them when invariably they decelerate to their previous cruising speed, still in the middle lane.
Or put on the left indicator to encourage them to pull into the empty inside lane. Most refuse this second option.
Or "undertake" illegally in the empty inside lane, but only if they don't match my speed again.
This accelerating/decelerating cycle can repeat numerous times before a constant 70mph cruise is regained. This is the future for all of us, starting 2022
Maintaining your speed in Lane 1 is not an illegal undertake. Moving from Lane 2 to Lane 1 to get past the muppet is.Catching middle lane hoggers happens all the time. When not towing the race car, I venture to the outside "overtaking" lane. They don't like being overtaken so accelerate to match my speed of 70mph.
I have three options:
Slow down and fall in behind them when invariably they decelerate to their previous cruising speed, still in the middle lane.
Or put on the left indicator to encourage them to pull into the empty inside lane. Most refuse this second option.
Or "undertake" illegally in the empty inside lane, but only if they don't match my speed again.
This accelerating/decelerating cycle can repeat numerous times before a constant 70mph cruise is regained. This is the future for all of us, starting 2022
Monkeylegend said:
bigothunter said:
Monkeylegend said:
I like you won't be worrying about the future, I have had 50 plus years already of very enjoyable motoring so am content to wind down gracefully.
I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
Motorbike test passed in 1969, car test in 1970. Almost 52 years on the road, mostly enjoyable. But the trends are horrible and the motoring future grim I do feel a bit for those who still have many years in front of them though, cars and driving are going to become a big chore, and probably an even bigger financial burden and only used/done through necessity, not enjoyment.
A decent nick car without this nonsense tech will last 10 to 20 years. Bikes the same.
I feel for my kids though. They're both driving now at these young driving school places, and are enjoying it, all in manual cars, (weirdly they only have one auto out of 30 cars on fleet) and yet i know that much of their driving careers will be in joyless, electric t
t mobiles. At least they will have some fun bombing about in a slidey old polo for a few years like we all did.
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