S172 - Registration mark fails to conform.

[carreauchompeur]

I would be really surprised if they have issued a notice for that plate as pictured. I can see that there might be non-conforming elements but not to the extent that they’d deal with it.

Sure if wasn’t spaced JAAAAKE P?

[Blanchimont]

blueg33 said:

Blanchimont said:

jeremyc said:

bad company said:

I’m no expert but can’t see anything wrong there.

No BS number, no way of identifying the manufacturer or supplier, no name and postcode of the supplying outlet?

Government numberplate document said:

... each number plate must be permanently and legibly marked with the:

• British Standard number (currently BS AU 145d) from 1 September 2021 a new standard will become mandatory for all new number plates fitted from that date (BS AU 145e) but can be used from 1 January 2021
• name, trademark or other way of identifying the manufacturer or supplier
• name and postcode of the supplying outlet

It's there, but in the bottom right corner tiny. I haven't managed to get a photo of that yet, but it is there.

Not sure it meets the legibility criteria. I have the image zoomed 500% and can't see it!

Does seem petty though.

I think you need to ask them for the image.

[ph tosser mode] Are you sure you didn't change your plates before you took the pic to post here but after your S172? [/ph tosser mode]

Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 10th February 10:02

They're stuck on with 3M VHB tape, think i'd pull the bumper off before the plate moves!

[Blanchimont]

carl_w said:

Blanchimont said:

This is the offending plate.

Your original post said "I've got short plates" though?

I was referring to their height. They're 90mm, rather than standard 111mm.

[Blanchimont]

carreauchompeur said:

I would be really surprised if they have issued a notice for that plate as pictured. I can see that there might be non-conforming elements but not to the extent that they’d deal with it.

Sure if wasn’t spaced JAAAAKE P?

I can't stand plates mis-spaced like that! If I did that, I'd take it on the chins and pay up.

[paintman]

blueg33 said:

paintman said:

As regards the bs number etc I can't find anything in the links attached in the thread that set out size & placing requirements for those items, only that they are required.

Having done the blow-up I can't see them either!

According the same link if the OP's plates were made & fitted before 1st Sept 2021 then the side & top & bottom margins are given as minimum & not a set size.

The legislation says that the BS number has to be legible

Appreciate that, but no size specified so if they're legible that's all that's necessary. Still waiting for the OP to put a photo up!

[carl_w]

Blanchimont said:

I was referring to their height. They're 90mm, rather than standard 111mm.

There's your problem then. The letters must be 79mm high and the top and bottom margins have to be 11mm. 79mm+11mm+11mm=101mm

[Blanchimont]

carl_w said:

Blanchimont said:

I was referring to their height. They're 90mm, rather than standard 111mm.

There's your problem then. The letters must be 79mm high and the top and bottom margins have to be 11mm. 79mm+11mm+11mm=101mm

Could they have been able to tell that whilst I was moving, and the camera was at a different height, and about 150yrds away? If he was able to tell, then fair play to him.

[Red9zero]

Blanchimont said:

carl_w said:

Blanchimont said:

I was referring to their height. They're 90mm, rather than standard 111mm.

There's your problem then. The letters must be 79mm high and the top and bottom margins have to be 11mm. 79mm+11mm+11mm=101mm

Could they have been able to tell that whilst I was moving, and the camera was at a different height, and about 150yrds away? If he was able to tell, then fair play to him.

You got a ticket, so I'd say yes.

[Driver101]

That looks extremely harsh if that is what the police have picked up on.

It's not one of the registration plates that have a coating or film on them that make them hard for cameras to see?

[Tommo87]

I also thought he meant shorts width, but now you look at it, that does stand out as different.

Why did they need to be shorter height?

[PorkInsider]

Blanchimont said:

jeremyc said:

bad company said:

I’m no expert but can’t see anything wrong there.

No BS number, no way of identifying the manufacturer or supplier, no name and postcode of the supplying outlet?

Government numberplate document said:

... each number plate must be permanently and legibly marked with the:

• British Standard number (currently BS AU 145d) from 1 September 2021 a new standard will become mandatory for all new number plates fitted from that date (BS AU 145e) but can be used from 1 January 2021
• name, trademark or other way of identifying the manufacturer or supplier
• name and postcode of the supplying outlet

It's there, but in the bottom right corner tiny. I haven't managed to get a photo of that yet, but it is there.

Possibly a moot point but how does it have the BS markings if the height isn't to regulations?

[Durzel]

Blanchimont said:

carl_w said:

Blanchimont said:

I was referring to their height. They're 90mm, rather than standard 111mm.

There's your problem then. The letters must be 79mm high and the top and bottom margins have to be 11mm. 79mm+11mm+11mm=101mm

Could they have been able to tell that whilst I was moving, and the camera was at a different height, and about 150yrds away? If he was able to tell, then fair play to him.

This probably sounds a bit mean, but I'm guessing your bright blue car makes a decent amount of noise, and perhaps that you drive it around the town with gusto?

I know it's fashionable on here to believe that the Police have an abundance of time to deal with this sort of stuff, but it is more likely - in my opinion - that you stood out in an anti-social manner and they went out of their way to get you for something.

I remember tearing around a bit when I was young and I would get pulled for plate infractions (everything else was legal). With the benefit of hindsight (and getting older) I'm pretty sure had I not been driving like such a knob they wouldn't have singled me out.

My advice would be to perhaps not look for attention if you don't want any. And get a legal plate.

[carl_w]

PorkInsider said:

Possibly a moot point but how does it have the BS markings if the height isn't to regulations?

Cut down after being made?

[the tribester]

If your plate is 90mm high, and the characters are the required 79mm, that leaves an average margin of 5.5mm top and bottom.

Your image doesn't look like that



are the characters 79mm high?

[CoolHands]

Whatever. How would someone looking at a moving vehicle through a scope know?

[Pedro Raynard]

CoolHands said:

Whatever. How would someone looking at a moving vehicle through a scope know?

I’d assumed operator points camera and software takes a picture and measures speed. Computer then looks at plate to read it, determines the vehicle type (eg vans have different speed limits) and triggers paperwork if speeding.

Either software could not read plate and was flagged up for human intervention when operator may query why it could not be read, or software was able to measure plate size determine not legal and issue penalty. I put money on all automatic, dead easy nowadays.

[poo at Paul's]

Why on earth do you want plates 11mm less tall than the legal ones?
Anyone manufacturing the plate to such a dimension cannot add their BS details to it.

As for how can you tell, well it doesnt look right, it looks from distance that the centre space is maybe reduced, or the space left and right increased, but it's likely just optical illusion due to the plate being topped and tailed.
What's the point of it, vs a fully legal size one?

[Red9zero]

Looks like the thin ones the Renault boys use. If it ain't legal it ain't legal though. No point arguing over it really. I have run small front plates on some of my cars over the years and you know the risks. If an actual copper stops you, you may be able to argue the toss. If it's on camera, you are bang to rights. Just pay the fine and move on.

[the tribester]

CoolHands said:

Whatever. How would someone looking at a moving vehicle through a scope know?

I would think if you spend all day, day after day, looking at the numberplates of lines of vehicles passing your point,
you'd spot this immediately.

[Blanchimont]

Durzel said:

Blanchimont said:

carl_w said:

Blanchimont said:

I was referring to their height. They're 90mm, rather than standard 111mm.

There's your problem then. The letters must be 79mm high and the top and bottom margins have to be 11mm. 79mm+11mm+11mm=101mm

Could they have been able to tell that whilst I was moving, and the camera was at a different height, and about 150yrds away? If he was able to tell, then fair play to him.

This probably sounds a bit mean, but I'm guessing your bright blue car makes a decent amount of noise, and perhaps that you drive it around the town with gusto?

I know it's fashionable on here to believe that the Police have an abundance of time to deal with this sort of stuff, but it is more likely - in my opinion - that you stood out in an anti-social manner and they went out of their way to get you for something.

I remember tearing around a bit when I was young and I would get pulled for plate infractions (everything else was legal). With the benefit of hindsight (and getting older) I'm pretty sure had I not been driving like such a knob they wouldn't have singled me out.

My advice would be to perhaps not look for attention if you don't want any. And get a legal plate.

I was in 6th, doing 40mph, with the exhaust valves fully closed. I was driving fairly normally as there's almost always mobile cameras there. I think I was even behind a couple of cars. If I was driving past making it pop & bang etc.