Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023

[bennno]

Byker28i said:

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

My Waze/Sat Nav is now directing me different routes than I usually take, because it's quicker to avoid majority 20mph areas where possible. The algorithms have worked out the differences now.

One local journey saves 3 mins over 5 miles alone, because you run a short distance at 20mph rather than a lot of it...and it looks likes others are doing the same now, rat running the back roads at 40-50mph to emerge on residential roads for the last small part, which has increased traffic significantly on those roads...

Son does an extra 8 miles each way at 60mph to avoid a very lengthy 20mph section

[nordboy]

bennno said:

Byker28i said:

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

My Waze/Sat Nav is now directing me different routes than I usually take, because it's quicker to avoid majority 20mph areas where possible. The algorithms have worked out the differences now.

One local journey saves 3 mins over 5 miles alone, because you run a short distance at 20mph rather than a lot of it...and it looks likes others are doing the same now, rat running the back roads at 40-50mph to emerge on residential roads for the last small part, which has increased traffic significantly on those roads...

Son does an extra 8 miles each way at 60mph to avoid a very lengthy 20mph section

I do something similar, extra 7 miles each way on my journey, but old journey now has 15 changes of speed limit and now takes 3-5 mins longer, sometimes more, new journey, no 20's and only 4 changes of speed limit.

[bigothunter]

Byker28i said:

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

My Waze/Sat Nav is now directing me different routes than I usually take, because it's quicker to avoid majority 20mph areas where possible. The algorithms have worked out the differences now.

One local journey saves 3 mins over 5 miles alone, because you run a short distance at 20mph rather than a lot of it...and it looks likes others are doing the same now, rat running the back roads at 40-50mph to emerge on residential roads for the last small part, which has increased traffic significantly on those roads...

More could have been done to ‘prepare the ground’ for 20mph speed limits says Mark Drakeford. Is that an euphemism for f*ck up?

https://nation.cymru/news/more-could-have-been-don...

[ATG]

bennno said:

ATG said:

bennno said:

CLK-GTR said:

Almost sounds like the whole thing wasn't properly thought through.

Steady, the blinkered nationalists will get frothy

?

Put simply anybody having the temerity to question the effectiveness of any Welsh policy, however badly thought out and implemented seem to incur the wrath of the bunch of Welsh Nationalists on here or on X. Far easier to identify and block on X as they generally always have yes Indy / dragon flag / Palestine flag / purple hair.

Except quite a few of us who are pointing out that a great deal of hysterical crap is being spouted on this thread aren't Welsh Nationalists. In fact I can't say I've noticed any even vaguely nationalist stuff on this thread. There's some support for Welsh Labour kicking around on PH, but they're not a nationalist party. I've seen bugger all support for Plaid.

[ATG]

monkfish1 said:

ATG said:

and I cannot see a rational objection to the policy in principle.

Really?

So you will be fine if we follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion?

I doubt I'd find your conclusions logical.

[Evanivitch]

Police still running with education first approach. Optoon of taking the 8 minute video instead of points.

[Drumroll]

After spending the weekend travelling around Wales. All I can say is it is very confusing. Most villages are still showing 30 some are 20.

So some people seem to slow to 20 in all villages others seem to ignore the 20 miles an hour. It just adds another dimension to driving in Wales.

[camel_landy]

Byker28i said:

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

Yep and I'm one of those adding to it.

Prior to the change, I would have used the main road to get me home, rather than cut through a residential area. The main road is significantly longer and now it's 20mph, I simply don't bother with it anymore.

M

[ingenieur]

camel_landy said:

Byker28i said:

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

Yep and I'm one of those adding to it.

Prior to the change, I would have used the main road to get me home, rather than cut through a residential area. The main road is significantly longer and now it's 20mph, I simply don't bother with it anymore.

M

They said in their paper they released before the implementation that one of the main reasons for making it 'blanket' (Grrrr... It's not 'blanket') 20mph on all residential streets was to stop people rerouting around 20mph zones. What that didn't account for was the possibility that even long diversions along higher speed routes are at least time efficient, potentially fuel efficient as well depending on the usual factors.

[sospan]

^^^^^^^^^^^
I use local knowledge to change routes for many journeys.
Here in Carmarthenshire we have villages/towns stretching along roads for substantial distances. Multiples of these can add significant cumulative time to journeys.
Even round town trips are creating new rat runs.

[KobayashiMaru86]

There's no route from my house that doesn't involve speed bumps now. It's almost all 20mph and the 30mph bits you get those doing 20 anyway. It's added 10mins to my commute one way so I'm spending an extra 1hr 40 on the road every week without any other incidents.

[bigothunter]

KobayashiMaru86 said:

There's no route from my house that doesn't involve speed bumps now. It's almost all 20mph and the 30mph bits you get those doing 20 anyway. It's added 10mins to my commute one way so I'm spending an extra 1hr 40 on the road every week without any other incidents.

Adding 4% to your working day which equates to 9 extra working days every year. That's very generous of you

[KobayashiMaru86]

bigothunter said:

KobayashiMaru86 said:

There's no route from my house that doesn't involve speed bumps now. It's almost all 20mph and the 30mph bits you get those doing 20 anyway. It's added 10mins to my commute one way so I'm spending an extra 1hr 40 on the road every week without any other incidents.

Adding 4% to your working day which equates to 9 extra working days every year. That's very generous of you

9 days wasted driving. I'm not in work during that, nor am I home asleep.

[bigothunter]

KobayashiMaru86 said:

bigothunter said:

KobayashiMaru86 said:

There's no route from my house that doesn't involve speed bumps now. It's almost all 20mph and the 30mph bits you get those doing 20 anyway. It's added 10mins to my commute one way so I'm spending an extra 1hr 40 on the road every week without any other incidents.

Adding 4% to your working day which equates to 9 extra working days every year. That's very generous of you

9 days wasted driving. I'm not in work during that, nor am I home asleep.

Also eroding your time for recreation or just chilling out. Plus Welsh productivity (and economy) has just taken a hit. Lose, lose for all

[camel_landy]

bigothunter said:

Lose, lose for all

Well, apart from Itchy... Basking in the smugness.

M

[Pica-Pica]

camel_landy said:

bigothunter said:

Lose, lose for all

Well, apart from Itchy... Basking in the smugness.

M

st. I lose about 3 seconds in our village, and another 3 seconds at the end of my journey. Gain about 10 mins from our new bypass in the tourist season. Win-win.

[monkfish1]

bigothunter said:

Byker28i said:

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

My Waze/Sat Nav is now directing me different routes than I usually take, because it's quicker to avoid majority 20mph areas where possible. The algorithms have worked out the differences now.

One local journey saves 3 mins over 5 miles alone, because you run a short distance at 20mph rather than a lot of it...and it looks likes others are doing the same now, rat running the back roads at 40-50mph to emerge on residential roads for the last small part, which has increased traffic significantly on those roads...

More could have been done to ‘prepare the ground’ for 20mph speed limits says Mark Drakeford. Is that an euphemism for f*ck up?

https://nation.cymru/news/more-could-have-been-don...

Not sure how you read it that way?

Reads to me like he thinks they should have done better PR. Just as well he didnt, as no doubt that would have cost a bunch of extra cash, to arrive in exactly the same place.

[monkfish1]

ATG said:

monkfish1 said:

ATG said:

and I cannot see a rational objection to the policy in principle.

Really?

So you will be fine if we follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion?

I doubt I'd find your conclusions logical.

Given you agree with the policy, and can see no "rational" objection to it, i suspect you would be right.

However, they are not "my" logical conclusions.

Im sure when the next drop from 20 comes, you will support that too...............

[Byker28i]

sospan said:

^^^^^^^^^^^
I use local knowledge to change routes for many journeys.
Here in Carmarthenshire we have villages/towns stretching along roads for substantial distances. Multiples of these can add significant cumulative time to journeys.
Even round town trips are creating new rat runs.

Wouldn't have helped the other week when they shut the A40 then, all the local roads were jammed.

[Byker28i]

Speed Camera an was out in Lamphey yesterday, parked up to catch people not slowing to the 20mph immediately after leaving the national speed limit area. Looks like enforcement has started.

Later in the day they moved to the bottom of the hill coming into Pembroke, again to catch people not slowing to 20mph by the signs