Blanket 20mph limit across Wales from 2023

[ATG]

ARHarh said:

Squadrone Rosso said:

All these tourists coming here an moaning about it he changed / confusing limits me laugh,

imagine them driving off motorway in mainland Europe when their speedos will be in mph & the signs will be in kph!

As a local Swansea / Neath area) I can’t say it’s made much difference at all, certainly in terms of journey times.

Perhaps it’s different if you live elsewhere.

I agree, I live up on the North wales border and cross backwards and forwards over the border every time i venture out in a car. The reality round here is every 20 limit is driven at 25+, it makes very little difference to journey times, as most 20 limits that were 30 you could not easily go 30 most of the time. Most of the roads are still national limit. I have not seen any signage that is any more confusing than it was before the change. This may well be different in the cities of south Wales but I have not been there to find out.

I'm Welshpool/Oswestry area. Also a non-issue in my experience here and across the rest of Powys (which is a huge county, for those not familiar). We drove down to Cardiff a few weeks ago and it was a total non-issue on that journey too.

It's certainly possible that the implementation has been ballsed-up in some places, but I haven't seen it, and I cannot see a rational objection to the policy in principle.

[ATG]

bennno said:

CLK-GTR said:

Almost sounds like the whole thing wasn't properly thought through.

Steady, the blinkered nationalists will get frothy

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[bennno]

ATG said:

bennno said:

CLK-GTR said:

Almost sounds like the whole thing wasn't properly thought through.

Steady, the blinkered nationalists will get frothy

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Put simply anybody having the temerity to question the effectiveness of any Welsh policy, however badly thought out and implemented seem to incur the wrath of the bunch of Welsh Nationalists on here or on X. Far easier to identify and block on X as they generally always have yes Indy / dragon flag / Palestine flag / purple hair.

[monkfish1]

ATG said:

and I cannot see a rational objection to the policy in principle.

Really?

So you will be fine if we follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion?

[bigothunter]

Petition of half-million signatures closed on March 13th. That's exactly four weeks ago. Senedd is remarkably unresponsive to this largest Welsh petition ever. Perhaps they'll wake up at election time?

https://nation.cymru/feature/what-next-as-record-b...

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

[CLK-GTR]

bigothunter said:

Petition of half-million signatures closed on March 13th. That's exactly four weeks ago. Senedd is remarkably unresponsive to this largest Welsh petition ever. Perhaps they'll wake up at election time?

https://nation.cymru/feature/what-next-as-record-b...

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

Don't see the upside for them. They're finished whether they rescind it or not, best not to admit they got it wrong and leave it to the next lot to deal with.

[Evanivitch]

bigothunter said:

Petition of half-million signatures closed on March 13th. That's exactly four weeks ago. Senedd is remarkably unresponsive to this largest Welsh petition ever. Perhaps they'll wake up at election time?

https://nation.cymru/feature/what-next-as-record-b...

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

It goes to the petition committee, which it missed in March, and will be held in April.

[CoolHands]

The main man is in his second home now, legacy is set.

[bigothunter]

Evanivitch said:

It goes to the petition committee, which it missed in March, and will be held in April.

Apparently:

Senedd said:

'This petition is now under consideration by the Petitions Committee.'

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

[monkfish1]

CLK-GTR said:

bigothunter said:

Petition of half-million signatures closed on March 13th. That's exactly four weeks ago. Senedd is remarkably unresponsive to this largest Welsh petition ever. Perhaps they'll wake up at election time?

https://nation.cymru/feature/what-next-as-record-b...

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

Don't see the upside for them. They're finished whether they rescind it or not, best not to admit they got it wrong and leave it to the next lot to deal with.

What do you mean "they are finished". What, Labour as the controlling party? Are you serious?

[Stella Tortoise]

bigothunter said:

Ooh, look.

Thunter is back, you went a bit quiet after getting a little backlash on the rugby thread.

I did notice that you started posting again on your old PH profile though.

Happy trolling old boy!

[bigothunter]

Stella Tortoise said:

Ooh, look.

Thunter is back, you went a bit quiet after getting a little backlash on the rugby thread.

I did notice that you started posting again on your old PH profile though.

Happy trolling old boy!

Backlash? Old PH profile? Bit quiet? What on earth are you going on about?

But I shouldn't be surprised, it's just the usual old cr*p you spout profusely. Quiet please - adults are talking.

[Frimley111R]

bigothunter said:

Evanivitch said:

It goes to the petition committee, which it missed in March, and will be held in April.

Apparently:

Senedd said:

'This petition is now under consideration by the Petitions Committee.'

https://petitions.senedd.wales/petitions/245548

Pointless, it's just going through the motions. They'll make up some reason for not changing things back and will argue 'if it saves one more life' to which there's very little way to argue against it.

Imagine if they put if back to 30mph and someone is killed on the road and, irrespective as to whether speed is a factor, they will say it is.

[bigothunter]

Frimley111R said:

Pointless, it's just going through the motions. They'll make up some reason for not changing things back and will argue 'if it saves one more life' to which there's very little way to argue against it.

Imagine if they put if back to 30mph and someone is killed on the road and, irrespective as to whether speed is a factor, they will say it is.

Seems we are all doomed to being ruled by donkeys

[Evanivitch]

Frimley111R said:

Pointless, it's just going through the motions. They'll make up some reason for not changing things back and will argue 'if it saves one more life' to which there's very little way to argue against it.

Imagine if they put if back to 30mph and someone is killed on the road and, irrespective as to whether speed is a factor, they will say it is.

Are you expecting them to deviate from the process?

To recap:
Cross party support voted in favour of a 20mph default.
Welsh Labour were voted into government on a 20mph default policy in manifesto
Tory party u-turn failed in the senedd
Law has been implemented
Petition has been kept open for full duration as decided by the person that started the petition
Petition will now go to the petition committee
Petition will probably then go to another debate, maybe even another vote by Tory

At least the farmers have actually protested during the consultancy period, and good on them engaging early in the democratic process.

Remind me the dozens that have protested the 20mph?

[oakdale]

https://www.tenby-today.co.uk/news/senedd-motion-t...

[Frimley111R]

Evanivitch said:

Are you expecting them to deviate from the process?

No, where did I say/infer that?

The process is fine if it achieves something but the process for this is utterly pointless.

'My policy can save lives but you want to remove that policy' is the summary of the process, so where do you think that will end up?

[camel_landy]

Frimley111R said:

No, where did I say/infer that?

The process is fine if it achieves something but the process for this is utterly pointless.

'My policy can save lives but you want to remove that policy' is the summary of the process, so where do you think that will end up?

Remember how I said, people like to twist things to meet narratives?

Don't go asking Itchy questions, you'll just end up once again in a cyclic argument.

M

[Evanivitch]

Frimley111R said:

No, where did I say/infer that?

Right here...

Frimley111R said:

Pointless, it's just going through the motions.

Frimley111R said:

The process is fine if it achieves something but the process for this is utterly pointless.

'My policy can save lives but you want to remove that policy' is the summary of the process, so where do you think that will end up?

So you only accept the process if it has your desired outcomes?

The process is what it is, they have done nothing to block the petition. Maybe if it was concluded sooner then they could have shaped something, but the petition owner didn't want that...

[Byker28i]

An interesting knock on is increased traffic on residential roads...

My Waze/Sat Nav is now directing me different routes than I usually take, because it's quicker to avoid majority 20mph areas where possible. The algorithms have worked out the differences now.

One local journey saves 3 mins over 5 miles alone, because you run a short distance at 20mph rather than a lot of it...and it looks likes others are doing the same now, rat running the back roads at 40-50mph to emerge on residential roads for the last small part, which has increased traffic significantly on those roads...