Who’s Fault?

[Allegro_Snapon]

Chrisgr31 said:

Super Sonic said:

Was the other car a Peugeot? I hit one w my Honda mirror once, my mirror folded slightly before popping back out, the Peugeot mirror Cliterally exploded.

Nope it was a German manufacturer.

Again sounds painful, what is it with women and their flappy bits?

[heebeegeetee]

V8covin said:

So how are you supposed to pass parked vehicles on a narrow road without crossing into the other side of the road ?
The road was clear when they pulled out,tell the other driver to get stuffed,they should have waited

Agreed. Pretty certain there isn't a wrong side of the road. Sounds like the teenager was established in the carriageway and other driver was too impatient to wait.

I think they shoukd each pay respectively for their own vehicles.

[carl_w]

Too late now but the best solution would have been for the teenager to come to a complete stop.

[Driver101]

V8covin said:

Driver101 said:

If your daughter was on the wrong side on the road then I doubt she will have much of an argument.

You don't want an insurance claim for a new driver. A wing mirror cover shouldn't cost cost too much. It shouldn't be her excess without loading her policy.

So how are you supposed to pass parked vehicles on a narrow road without crossing into the other side of the road ?
The road was clear when they pulled out,tell the other driver to get stuffed,they should have waited

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

[NGee]

Driver101 said:

V8covin said:

Driver101 said:

If your daughter was on the wrong side on the road then I doubt she will have much of an argument.

You don't want an insurance claim for a new driver. A wing mirror cover shouldn't cost cost too much. It shouldn't be her excess without loading her policy.

So how are you supposed to pass parked vehicles on a narrow road without crossing into the other side of the road ?
The road was clear when they pulled out,tell the other driver to get stuffed,they should have waited

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

I think you need to re-think your user name. 'Talkingbks101' might be more appropriate.

[Driver101]

NGee said:

Driver101 said:

V8covin said:

Driver101 said:

If your daughter was on the wrong side on the road then I doubt she will have much of an argument.

You don't want an insurance claim for a new driver. A wing mirror cover shouldn't cost cost too much. It shouldn't be her excess without loading her policy.

So how are you supposed to pass parked vehicles on a narrow road without crossing into the other side of the road ?
The road was clear when they pulled out,tell the other driver to get stuffed,they should have waited

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

I think you need to re-think your user name. 'Talkingbks101' might be more appropriate.

I think you need to rethink your attitude.

Any thread I've encountered you it's always the case you're going against the grain and irritating people.

You don't come across as a pleasant person.

[Chrisgr31]

Driver101 said:

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

The location where the event occurred frequently has many cars parked over a long distance. Its an A road but the houses on it within a village have no off street parking. Frequently the road is clear when you start to pass parked cars but others approach form

The other drivers version of events was that it was the teenagers fault as they were over the white line although the other driver admitted they had no option than to be over the white line due to the parked cars and there was nowhere they could have pulled in to allow him to pass.

[DanL]

Chrisgr31 said:

Driver101 said:

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

The location where the event occurred frequently has many cars parked over a long distance. Its an A road but the houses on it within a village have no off street parking. Frequently the road is clear when you start to pass parked cars but others approach form

The other drivers version of events was that it was the teenagers fault as they were over the white line although the other driver admitted they had no option than to be over the white line due to the parked cars and there was nowhere they could have pulled in to allow him to pass.

In future they could take a position even further over the line to discourage drivers from trying to come through, if there really isn’t room for two cars to pass safely…

[Driver101]

Chrisgr31 said:

Driver101 said:

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

The location where the event occurred frequently has many cars parked over a long distance. Its an A road but the houses on it within a village have no off street parking. Frequently the road is clear when you start to pass parked cars but others approach form

The other drivers version of events was that it was the teenagers fault as they were over the white line although the other driver admitted they had no option than to be over the white line due to the parked cars and there was nowhere they could have pulled in to allow him to pass.

It's hard to tell workout a dashcam. I don't like dashcams, but these are the debatable scenarios they help.

If you go down the insurance route I don't think it'll go in your daughter's favour. At best it'll go 50:50 and it's still a claim against your daughter.

How expensive is the repair?

[wibble cb]

Chrisgr31 said:

Driver101 said:

If you do it and you collide with a car in their lane you're not often going to win the fight.

How clear was the road when they had numerous cars come the other way and it sounds as if they were on the wrong side of the road?

We are using the OP's secondhand account of what happened. I'm sure the driver with damage has a differing opinion.

The location where the event occurred frequently has many cars parked over a long distance. Its an A road but the houses on it within a village have no off street parking. Frequently the road is clear when you start to pass parked cars but others approach form

The other drivers version of events was that it was the teenagers fault as they were over the white line although the other driver admitted they had no option than to be over the white line due to the parked cars and there was nowhere they could have pulled in to allow him to pass.

So they basically admitted to seeing the teenager and carried on regardless….

[llewop]

Chrisgr31 said:

I wasn't there but do understand the other driver was travelling at a greater speed than the teenager and indeed teenager may have actually stopped as they realised the other car was closer than the previous ones. Any cost that falls on teenager is going to be paid by grandparents - even though they think the other driver is at fault. Indeed the other driver admitted he has lost a wing mirror in exactly the same place before.

The other driver at the time showed grandfather a quote for a new wing mirror on ebay of £45. That has now increased to £160 from a local body shop.

So the other driver was potentially speeding or at least carrying excess speed into a hazard and has form for this, by his/her own admission!

Careless driving? Certainly poor judgement that a wallet lesson might bring home to them, leave them to pay for their own damages.

[cashmax]

Driver101 said:

If your daughter was on the wrong side on the road then I doubt she will have much of an argument.

You don't want an insurance claim for a new driver. A wing mirror cover shouldn't cost cost too much. It shouldn't be her excess without loading her policy.

I think this post and the others like it just goes to demonstrate that there are plenty of people on the roads who don't understand some pretty basic rules of the road.

There is no such thing as wrong side of the road, just priorities. In the instance described by the OP, if there was a car approaching from the opposite direction, then they have priority and he should wait. If there is not, then once the teenager has is passing the parked cars, then traffic must wait until safe to proceed. If a driver moves off when they can see it is not clear, then it is their mistake.

Having said that, the OP gives the impression that the teenager proceeded because they could see the road was clear, but if the line of parked cars was so long that neither side could see if a car was approaching (i.e. they must both enter the single lane unsighted) then all bets are off.

[Zetec-S]

Chrisgr31 said:

V8covin said:

So how are you supposed to pass parked vehicles on a narrow road without crossing into the other side of the road ?
The road was clear when they pulled out,tell the other driver to get stuffed,they should have waited

Must admit I am tempted to tell them to get stuffed. I do think they could have given way, and waited for her to finish passing if they thought there wasnt space.

Sounds that way to me. The highway code does not give any drivers/riders "right of way".

[NGee]

Driver101 said:

Any thread I've encountered you it's always the case you're going against the grain and irritating people.

I wasn't aware you had 'encountered' me before, but if you have I think that just proves you make a habit of talking bks and then not liking it when you get caught out.

If you read this thread you will clearly see that there is only one person going against the grain - and it isn't me.

[Giles_L]

This sort of st happens all the time round here as roads are super narrow. If you've looked and nothing coming the other way and are committed I don't know what these fools who see and come the other way regardless expect! Tell them to get stuffed!

[Driver101]

NGee said:

Driver101 said:

Any thread I've encountered you it's always the case you're going against the grain and irritating people.

I wasn't aware you had 'encountered' me before, but if you have I think that just proves you make a habit of talking bks and then not liking it when you get caught out.

If you read this thread you will clearly see that there is only one person going against the grain - and it isn't me.

What a stinking attitude you have.

I don't think I've directly "encountered" you before. I've read your posts in numerous threads and skip by them as you behave like this.

Now please go away and let the thread stay on topic rather than trying to pick more fights.

[heebeegeetee]

OP, was the situation similar to this?
https://youtu.be/9Y_E4dbGD24

[NGee]

Driver101 said:

NGee said:

Driver101 said:

Any thread I've encountered you it's always the case you're going against the grain and irritating people.

I wasn't aware you had 'encountered' me before, but if you have I think that just proves you make a habit of talking bks and then not liking it when you get caught out.

If you read this thread you will clearly see that there is only one person going against the grain - and it isn't me.

What a stinking attitude you have.

I don't think I've directly "encountered" you before. I've read your posts in numerous threads and skip by them as you behave like this.

Now please go away and let the thread stay on topic rather than trying to pick more fights.

Oh the irony of it!

I am not trying to pick any fights and I was trying to keep the thread on topic by pointing out that your idea of how to drive down a narrow road is just plain wrong, as explained by nearly every other post in the thread.

I am sorry that you cannot understand that.

[OutInTheShed]

Chrisgr31 said:

The location where the event occurred frequently has many cars parked over a long distance. Its an A road but the houses on it within a village have no off street parking. Frequently the road is clear when you start to pass parked cars but others approach form

The other drivers version of events was that it was the teenagers fault as they were over the white line although the other driver admitted they had no option than to be over the white line due to the parked cars and there was nowhere they could have pulled in to allow him to pass.

Either:
They are both at fault, because there was not room to pass and they should both have stopped.
Or
There was room to pass but one or other was positioned not to pass safely. In which case did the other driver have time to realise this and stop, or did one driver not hold a steady position relative to the kerb/parked cars etc?

Did one or other driver slow and make an effort to check their position was optimum?

What do you normally do in similar circumstances? I slow down. In some cases I stop so only one vehicle is moving. Sometimes one or both of us needs to retract mirrors. sometimes the other driver is 'not very good' and I will be stationary if anything happens.

You can't know who was in the wrong without having been there, but unless one of them did something the other shouldn't have anticipated, the answer is probably 'both of them'.

It's only a mirror.

[alscar]

If my son I would be saying to him “ sounds a bit 50/50 in the real world “ and as such each driver should pay for any damage to their own vehicle only as wouldn’t think putting an insurance claim in ( and certainly not for your son ) sounds prudent.