Disclosure - LandRover?!

[knk]

You broke the agreement which you had agreed to.
They don't need to sell you anything.

As indicated by you flipping the cars for more money (when you had agreed not too), demand is such that they won't miss your business (at the moment).

[Matt_E_Mulsion]

I don't the legality of it either, but breaking the agreement once is unfortunate, but twice seems somewhat careless. I agree with what the poster above said. They have no obligation to sell you anything else.

[Racing Newt]

Richdiver007 said:

Good Morning all …

I’m seeking some advice regarding a non legal document from my local LR Dealership.

Back in January 2022 I bought my wife a new Defender 110 , great spec and looked amazing with all the nice bits on it.
Unfortunately it wasn’t to be , as she was used to a RRS for years , the defender seats were very uncomfortable for her due to her existing back problems. Based on this regrettably we decided to sell the car and get her back into a sport.

Now when buying the defender we signed a disclosure which stipulated not to sell the car within 6 months and benefit from profit made. We made a little bit duty shelf over list and sold it pretty quickly, and thought nothing much of it.

As I had a good relationship with the dealer a friend / business partner asked if I could get him a defender also which I did - so I bought from the same dealer a defender 90 in my name and passed in to him, he was happy he got a defender and got it kitted up by urban automotive.


Now here’s the problem - I have in order 2 brand new RRS when the finally get built. However my local dealer contacted me to ask what I’ve done with the defenders as LandRover UK head office sent him a not so nice email , as they had a red flag regarding the defenders I sold , although the later 90 was still in my name but my friend was now selling it , which they had seen on autotrader. Both were sold by me before the 6 month disclosure.

The dealer is now saying that my wife my not get her RRS now and the order may be cancelled and the same with the one I have ordered ?! Now my question is as the as the disclosure was not a legal document and just a local dealers stipulation , can they impose this on me ?! Both orders placed and for the RRS’s have been signed and deposits paid. All cars mentioned above were paid for in full so no pcp or leases ….

I thought a sale was a sale and my local dealer should be greatful if all the business I’m putting there way … if I choose to sell a car I own , that’s fully paid for surely that’s entirely my decision and you to me ?

What’s any body’s thoughts please and should my local dealer be acting in this manor ?

Thank you .

Hmm interesting post there, why sign a non legal document?, you also mention a non disclosure document, to not disclose what? surely it should have been a covenent, further on you seem to be in the buying and selling category of dealers.

[DanL]

Richdiver007 said:

I agree the first one was unfortunate and never intended at all … as we had our hearts set on a defender.

The second one yes , a bit careless, but. Was only doing a good friend a favour. He still has the car however it’s still at present in my name …. Technically still my car.

… which you say your friend is selling? So, technically you’re selling (by your own reasoning).

You bought two cars from them, agreed not to sell either within six months, and then seem to have sold them. As a result, they seem to have decided they don’t want to sell you the new RRS as they believe you’ll do the same thing again.

That’s their choice, ultimately.

[Mr Pointy]

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Yep, it has all the hallmarks.

[Pistonheader101]

Go to a different dealer or order in your wife’s name

[Driver101]

You signed an agreement and broke it. This is on you.

It is unfair you've used your relationship with the dealer to get your friend a car. It looks strange to me that your friend's car is in your name.

[Monkeylegend]

The problem is they now know you are not a man of your word and have been underhand in your dealings with them.

If you own a business with your partner I wonder how you would react if a customer acted in a similar way with your business?

[andburg]

Surely the answer is you sold them but didn’t make any profit on them if the agreement was you wouldn’t benefit from any profit.

[barryrs]

Richdiver007 said:

I agree the first one was unfortunate and never intended at all … as we had our hearts set on a defender.

The second one yes , a bit careless, but. Was only doing a good friend a favour. He still has the car however it’s still at present in my name …. Technically still my car.

I’m not a car dealer …. Not in the trade at all , just love cars and often change them very frequently …

Thanks

A V5 isn’t proof of ownership and personally, as much as I trust my friends I wouldn’t be leaving a V5 in such circumstances in my name!

Sure the second time wasn’t an attempt to hide the sale

[Pflanzgarten]

Richdiver007 said:

I’ve been a good customer for years bought many cars from them and some cars many times some within six months etc … and never had all this hassle in the past … they were quite happy taking my money , a sale was a sale no questions asked …

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Apart from the question of “will you sign this agreement not to flip the car please?”.

[Genuine Barn Find]

Guess it depends on the dealer…

Selling a Defender, then buying it back off the customer a couple of months later (at a profit to the customer), and then selling it used to a queue jumper at (say) 11.9% APR is nice little earner for both parties. Ensure the first customer has a new Defender ordered then rinse and repeat.

As a cash buyer, The OP is perfect for this as no PCP to cancel/paperwork.

[the-norseman]

Richdiver007 said:

I’ve been a good customer for years bought many cars from them and some cars many times some within six months etc … a

Presume that is supposed to say "and sold cars many times some within six months etc"

So a flipper then? Been caught out I'd say.

[wpa1975]

You signed it and agreed to it then broke it, simple really.

Also seems odd your friends car is in your name.

[the-norseman]

Richdiver007 said:

Not a flipper …

My wife and I just l live cars and never kept one for longer than a year , had all sorts over the years , its a guilty pleasure that we enjoy ….

To a dealer/manufacturer though it will look different.

Buyer buys latest car, sell it 6 months later while there is still a "list" probably makes a profit...

[ChocolateFrog]

Richdiver007 said:

Not to worry if it all goes tits up , I’ll take my cash 210k spend elsewhere …. ????

Do that.

They might not need your money right now but this sort of behaviour from the dealers will come back to bite them.

The RRS is being replaced soon anyway so they've probably saved you a shed ton of money.

[Evanivitch]

Richdiver007 said:

Good Morning all …

I’m seeking some advice regarding a non legal document from my local LR Dealership.

In what way are you lead to believe this is not a legal binding document?

Richdiver007 said:

The second one yes , a bit careless, but. Was only doing a good friend a favour. He still has the car however it’s still at present in my name …. Technically still my car.

In your ne.on the V5C isn't "technically" your car. You've already said you've given him the car, so it's legally not your car.

[Matt_E_Mulsion]

It also seems a little odd that you would buy a new defender on behalf of your friend, he then spends a bucket full of money having it jazzed up at Urban Automotive, then puts it straight up for sale without your knowledge. All within six months and whilst you are the registered keeper.

[anonymous-user]

Clearly a car flipper who has now be found out and got fingers burnt.

Your 2 RRS will be snapped up by others in the queue who will not break the selling for a profit agreement JLR dont need your business

Now you are a marked man with JLR the game is up so was it really worth it

[Monkeylegend]

Richdiver007 said:

Yes your right …

I have on order :

2x new shape RRS Autobiography’s P400e’s in Black .
£105k each.

Looks like that may or may not be happening …

Let’s see how this pans out … ???????

And I bet you a were planning on flipping them as well