Police enquiry at home

[Bigends]

Nibbles_bits said:

Antony Moxey said:

Funny that it's only the police who seem to think it's reasonable to make a house call at midnight for a non-urgent matter.

Could it be because they actually have an understanding of how Policing in 2022 is

Do tell - how does modern policing justify a non urgent midnight knock then?

[Longy00000]

Nibbles_bits said:

Could it be because they actually have an understanding of how Policing in 2022 is

I would suggest that this thread demonstrates that they don't have an understanding of policing in 2022

[CharlesdeGaulle]

NGee said:

Exactly this.

I used to have a reasonable amount of respect for the police. But having now seen the absolutely appalling arrogance displayed by (ex)police on this thread I'm afraid I will never look at the police again the same way again.

It is always said you have to earn respect, well the 'we can do what we want, when we want' attitude displayed here certainly does not earn my respect.

So this thread alone has changed your opinion of the Police? Bit OTT and dramatic I'd have thought, but good for you.

[M.F.D]

Bigends said:

Do tell - how does modern policing justify a non urgent midnight knock then?

Dangerously under resourced and overworked, meaning you have a personal workload and literally no time to work through enquiries. Some of these enquiries are minor, but nonetheless require investigation. This may be something he has been trying to make enquiry into for weeks without the chance.

Leave till next week, but then he is busy attending calls. Then another week passes, and another. Meanwhile, the person who reported the incident is making complaints to the police saying they reported the matter x amount of weeks ago and no further forward (eg. post on PH today about someone reporting RTA matter and unhappy no further forward 10 days later).

I'm quite sure if he woke the OP up at 9am, then he would have been equally annoyed at the untimely visit.

[Bigends]

M.F.D said:

Bigends said:

Do tell - how does modern policing justify a non urgent midnight knock then?

Dangerously under resourced and overworked, meaning you have a personal workload and literally no time to work through enquiries. Some of these enquiries are minor, but nonetheless require investigation. This may be something he has been trying to make enquiry into for weeks without the chance.

Leave till next week, but then he is busy attending calls. Then another week passes, and another. Meanwhile, the person who reported the incident is making complaints to the police saying they reported the matter x amount of weeks ago and no further forward (eg. post on PH today about someone reporting RTA matter and unhappy no further forward 10 days later).

I'm quite sure if he woke the OP up at 9am, then he would have been equally annoyed at the untimely visit.

Still doesnt justify a midnight knock no matter how you look at it though

[monthou]

M.F.D said:

I'm quite sure if he woke the OP up at 9am, then he would have been equally annoyed at the untimely visit.

Anyone moaning about a 9am ring on the doorbell would probably end up on the Council thread.
9am is fine.
12am isn't.
Unless it's an emergency.

[Greendubber]

Nibbles_bits said:

Antony Moxey said:

Funny that it's only the police who seem to think it's reasonable to make a house call at midnight for a non-urgent matter.

Could it be because they actually have an understanding of how Policing in 2022 is

Ignorance is bliss.

Pretty much zero police posters here now and it's easy to see why, pointless.

[M.F.D]

Bigends said:

Still doesnt justify a midnight knock no matter how you look at it though

It might be though, do you know what it was about? OP may be a suspect for something?

None of us know, until the OP furnishes us with the circumstances. My point is, they can't win. Now the poor guy likely has complaints from both sides.

[the mac]

As a night worker myself one of the things you have to expect is people behaving normally during the day, this includes people coming to the door and waking me up, neighbours cutting the grass or worse the dreaded still saw as they cut up new slabs or whatever it is you do with them. However that doesn’t mean that I cut my grass at 2am or chap their door for a cup of sugar! Because for a reasonably minded person it isn’t well reasonable.

[langtounlad]

monthou said:

M.F.D said:

I'm quite sure if he woke the OP up at 9am, then he would have been equally annoyed at the untimely visit.

Anyone moaning about a 9am ring on the doorbell would probably end up on the Council thread.
9am is fine.
12am isn't.
Unless it's an emergency.

^ This, and I'm absolutely confident that would be the response of ~95% of the population. The role of the police is to serve the public whilst maintaining their trust. What I've read here from members of the police service is contrary to that. It appears to be, 'we'll go about our business, irrespective of the inconvenience or emotional upset that may be caused'. Very disappointing and only serves to confirm the concerns that many members of the public have re. how modern policing is carried out.

[M.F.D]

langtounlad said:

^ This, and I'm absolutely confident that would be the response of ~95% of the population. The role of the police is to serve the public whilst maintaining their trust. What I've read here from members of the police service is contrary to that. It appears to be, 'we'll go about our business, irrespective of the inconvenience or emotional upset that may be caused'. Very disappointing and only serves to confirm the concerns that many members of the public have re. how modern policing is carried out.

I'm quite sure the purpose of his visit was to 'serve the public'. I doubt he swung by the address to chat to the OP about the weather.

[langtounlad]

M.F.D said:

langtounlad said:

^ This, and I'm absolutely confident that would be the response of ~95% of the population. The role of the police is to serve the public whilst maintaining their trust. What I've read here from members of the police service is contrary to that. It appears to be, 'we'll go about our business, irrespective of the inconvenience or emotional upset that may be caused'. Very disappointing and only serves to confirm the concerns that many members of the public have re. how modern policing is carried out.

I'm quite sure the purpose of his visit was to 'serve the public'. I doubt he swung by the address to chat to the OP about the weather.

That's a very narrow and self-centred definition of 'serving the public', and in so doing completely ignores and undermines the, 'maintaining their trust' part. If any public servant came knocking on my door at midnight for anything that was not both urgent and important they would get short shrift. I admit that I don't live in the bustling metropolis, but it's absolutely not normal to welcome either a phone call or a house visit at midnight.

[Greendubber]

langtounlad said:

M.F.D said:

langtounlad said:

^ This, and I'm absolutely confident that would be the response of ~95% of the population. The role of the police is to serve the public whilst maintaining their trust. What I've read here from members of the police service is contrary to that. It appears to be, 'we'll go about our business, irrespective of the inconvenience or emotional upset that may be caused'. Very disappointing and only serves to confirm the concerns that many members of the public have re. how modern policing is carried out.

I'm quite sure the purpose of his visit was to 'serve the public'. I doubt he swung by the address to chat to the OP about the weather.

That's a very narrow and self-centred definition of 'serving the public', and in so doing completely ignores and undermines the, 'maintaining their trust' part. If any public servant came knocking on my door at midnight for anything that was not both urgent and important they would get short shrift. I admit that I don't live in the bustling metropolis, but it's absolutely not normal to welcome either a phone call or a house visit at midnight.

How about if a Crown Servant knocked on your door?

Edited by Greendubber on Monday 27th June 13:13

[SeekerOfTruthAndPies]

The only thing this thread has proved is that until we know what the reason for the call was, then nearly all of this is pointless conjecture.

[Trevor555]

SeekerOfTruthAndPies said:

The only thing this thread has proved is that until we know what the reason for the call was, then nearly all of this is pointless conjecture.

We'll have to wait a week to find out

[DanL]

It’s safe to say that (probably!) everyone on this thread understands there was an enquiry that had to be followed up.

What’s lost on us is why it wasn’t followed up during the day, and/or assigned to someone on the day shift to handle if it wasn’t urgent.

I assume there are good reasons why this didn’t happen, but I’m not sure I’ve read a thing suggesting what they might be yet… Might be due to me dipping in and out of the thread.

[the mac]

You haven’t missed anything!

[M.F.D]

DanL said:

It’s safe to say that (probably!) everyone on this thread understands there was an enquiry that had to be followed up.

What’s lost on us is why it wasn’t followed up during the day, and/or assigned to someone on the day shift to handle if it wasn’t urgent.

I assume there are good reasons why this didn’t happen, but I’m not sure I’ve read a thing suggesting what they might be yet… Might be due to me dipping in and out of the thread.

Imagine every officer had a workload with several, several reports each. Majority will be fairly minor in nature.

If officers passed all the non urgent enquiries onto day shift, then the day shift wouldn't get their own done, or answer calls etc etc.

There isn't an infinite amount of staff like some like to believe.

[freedman]

M.F.D said:

It might be though, do you know what it was about? OP may be a suspect for something?

None of us know, until the OP furnishes us with the circumstances. My point is, they can't win. Now the poor guy likely has complaints from both sides.

We know it wasn't important enough for the officer to tell the OP what it was about, and that it was ok to leave until he returned from, his time off, so that seems unlikely

As others have stated, a visit at Midnight, for a non urgent issue, is not acceptable, IMO at least

[Trevor555]

M.F.D said:

DanL said:

It’s safe to say that (probably!) everyone on this thread understands there was an enquiry that had to be followed up.

What’s lost on us is why it wasn’t followed up during the day, and/or assigned to someone on the day shift to handle if it wasn’t urgent.

I assume there are good reasons why this didn’t happen, but I’m not sure I’ve read a thing suggesting what they might be yet… Might be due to me dipping in and out of the thread.

Imagine every officer had a workload with several, several reports each. Majority will be fairly minor in nature.

If officers passed all the non urgent enquiries onto day shift, then the day shift wouldn't get their own done, or answer calls etc etc.

There isn't an infinite amount of staff like some like to believe.

But it sounds like the officer dealing was on the last night of nights before having a week off?

Should have been left for the next shift at least?

Or maybe the officer didn't make it clear to the skipper that they won't be working for the next week after tonight?

To leave someone hanging for a week after a midnight knock isn't professional.