Police enquiry at home

[anonymous-user]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Incoming some PH plod saying "well, if her phone was on, then that's perfectly reasonable".

In fairness, she didn't have to answer her own phone during the night.

The reason mine is on silent when I go to bed.

[Greendubber]

Silver Smudger said:

A 20-year-old, female relative of mine is helping the police with their enquiries, as she was witness to anti-social behaviour from a customer at her place of work. They had questions arising from CCTV footage of the events, so rang her up on her mobile to discuss this....

... she was woken up at 00:15hrs.

Depends if there's someone in custody at the time or not.

[Silver Smudger]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Incoming some PH plod saying "well, if her phone was on, then that's perfectly reasonable".

In fairness, she didn't have to answer her own phone during the night.

She did not have to answer it, but it woke her up anyway - At the very least, this is inconsiderate behavior. Just because the police work nights, they cannot possibly expect everyone to be awake too? She had previously told them, in her statement, that she often starts work at 6am.

Some people use their phone as an alarm clock - Especially when staying away from home, as she was at the time.

Greendubber said:

Depends if there's someone in custody at the time or not.

Why? This incident happened over two months ago. What would they need from a witness after midnight, that could not wait until morning?

[Greendubber]

Silver Smudger said:

Why? This incident happened over two months ago. What would they need from a witness after midnight, that could not wait until morning?

The PACE clock doesn't care what time of day it is, if someone's in custody and the officers dealing are seeking out of hours CPS advice they may have to contact a witness to clarify something before getting a charging decision. I'm not saying that's definitely what's happened here but it can and does happen.

[Voldemort]

Greendubber said:

Silver Smudger said:

Why? This incident happened over two months ago. What would they need from a witness after midnight, that could not wait until morning?

The PACE clock doesn't care what time of day it is, if someone's in custody and the officers dealing are seeking out of hours CPS advice they may have to contact a witness to clarify something before getting a charging decision. I'm not saying that's definitely what's happened here but it can and does happen.

Surely anyone with half a brain, or any amount of empathy, would start the conversation with, 'Hello, this is PC Late Shift, I'm sorry to be calling at this hour but due to the PACE clock we have a time critical enquiry we need to make of you...'

[XCP]

A lot of the 20 year olds that I know are just getting ready to go out at 0015.

[Johnnytheboy]

Voldemort said:

Greendubber said:

Silver Smudger said:

Why? This incident happened over two months ago. What would they need from a witness after midnight, that could not wait until morning?

The PACE clock doesn't care what time of day it is, if someone's in custody and the officers dealing are seeking out of hours CPS advice they may have to contact a witness to clarify something before getting a charging decision. I'm not saying that's definitely what's happened here but it can and does happen.

Surely anyone with half a brain, or any amount of empathy, would start the conversation with, 'Hello, this is PC Late Shift, I'm sorry to be calling at this hour but due to the PACE clock we have a time critical enquiry we need to make of you...'

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[Greendubber]

Voldemort said:

Greendubber said:

Silver Smudger said:

Why? This incident happened over two months ago. What would they need from a witness after midnight, that could not wait until morning?

The PACE clock doesn't care what time of day it is, if someone's in custody and the officers dealing are seeking out of hours CPS advice they may have to contact a witness to clarify something before getting a charging decision. I'm not saying that's definitely what's happened here but it can and does happen.

Surely anyone with half a brain, or any amount of empathy, would start the conversation with, 'Hello, this is PC Late Shift, I'm sorry to be calling at this hour but due to the PACE clock we have a time critical enquiry we need to make of you...'

Well obviously

Which bit of my quite simple post suggested anything otherwise?

Sometimes enquiries have to made at night, not ideal but it has to happen. I'm not saying someone's going call and say 'alright you lazy prick, asleep were you? Well wake the fk up because I'm going to ask you some questions' but if that's what you take from it crack on.

Edited by Greendubber on Saturday 16th July 10:15

[blueg33]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Incoming some PH plod saying "well, if her phone was on, then that's perfectly reasonable".

In fairness, she didn't have to answer her own phone during the night.

How do you know? My mother is ill in hospital at the moment, I keep my phone on in case she goes downhill

[Greendubber]

Johnnytheboy said:

Voldemort said:

Greendubber said:

Silver Smudger said:

Why? This incident happened over two months ago. What would they need from a witness after midnight, that could not wait until morning?

The PACE clock doesn't care what time of day it is, if someone's in custody and the officers dealing are seeking out of hours CPS advice they may have to contact a witness to clarify something before getting a charging decision. I'm not saying that's definitely what's happened here but it can and does happen.

Surely anyone with half a brain, or any amount of empathy, would start the conversation with, 'Hello, this is PC Late Shift, I'm sorry to be calling at this hour but due to the PACE clock we have a time critical enquiry we need to make of you...'

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Doesn't it just.


"Oooh it's cold outside"

Then some bed wetter comes along with some nugget like "well surely anyone with half a brain would wear a coat?"

Well obviously....duh.

Edited by Greendubber on Saturday 16th July 10:16

[CharlesdeGaulle]

blueg33 said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Incoming some PH plod saying "well, if her phone was on, then that's perfectly reasonable".

In fairness, she didn't have to answer her own phone during the night.

How do you know? My mother is ill in hospital at the moment, I keep my phone on in case she goes downhill

Answering your own phone still remains a decision that the owner can make for themselves.

[ED209]

Here is another great story about the police knocking on someone’s door in my area and causing someone anxiety.

The world is a strange place where people live with a babies coffin in their bedroom and when this is actually worthy of the news.


https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

[M.F.D]

ED209 said:

Here is another great story about the police knocking on someone’s door in my area and causing someone anxiety.

The world is a strange place where people live with a babies coffin in their bedroom and when this is actually worthy of the news.


https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

So to confirm, you think the enquiry was not warranted here?

[BrabusMog]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

blueg33 said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Johnnytheboy said:

Incoming some PH plod saying "well, if her phone was on, then that's perfectly reasonable".

In fairness, she didn't have to answer her own phone during the night.

How do you know? My mother is ill in hospital at the moment, I keep my phone on in case she goes downhill

Answering your own phone still remains a decision that the owner can make for themselves.

It’s a bit of an imposition to call someone in the middle of the night, I’d be worried it’s bad news and would answer to find out. To find out it was the police belling me would infuriate me. It’s staggering people think it’s justifiable.

[ED209]

M.F.D said:

So to confirm, you think the enquiry was not warranted here?

Er 100% warranted in fact I wouldn’t be waiting until the next day to sort it out, I would be using whatever lawful means possible to get into that house and check that coffin. If it meant arresting the bloke on suspicion of murder or concealing a birth/death in order to get a PACE power of search then I would have done that. In reality though some more enquires to trace the bloke quickly and get his consent for a search would probably be what happened. You simply cannot take the chance that there might be a dead child inside that house.

I would make sure there was an officer outside that address until the coffin was checked.

[monthou]

BrabusMog said:

It’s a bit of an imposition to call someone in the middle of the night, I’d be worried it’s bad news and would answer to find out. To find out it was the police belling me would infuriate me. It’s staggering people think it’s justifiable.

I doubt many people do.

[M.F.D]

ED209 said:

Er 100% warranted in fact I wouldn’t be waiting until the next day to sort it out, I would be using whatever lawful means possible to get into that house and check that coffin. If it meant arresting the bloke on suspicion of murder or concealing a birth/death in order to get a PACE power of search then I would have done that. In reality though some more enquires to trace the bloke quickly and get his consent for a search would probably be what happened. You simply cannot take the chance that there might be a dead child inside that house.

I would make sure there was an officer outside that address until the coffin was checked.

Agreed, there is something not right about that whole situation. Strange how he was embarrassed to have the police attend at his house, but is happy to pose for a photo in the local paper holding an infants coffin.

[eldar]

M.F.D said:

ED209 said:

Er 100% warranted in fact I wouldn’t be waiting until the next day to sort it out, I would be using whatever lawful means possible to get into that house and check that coffin. If it meant arresting the bloke on suspicion of murder or concealing a birth/death in order to get a PACE power of search then I would have done that. In reality though some more enquires to trace the bloke quickly and get his consent for a search would probably be what happened. You simply cannot take the chance that there might be a dead child inside that house.

I would make sure there was an officer outside that address until the coffin was checked.

Agreed, there is something not right about that whole situation. Strange how he was embarrassed to have the police attend at his house, but is happy to pose for a photo in the local paper holding an infants coffin.

07:50 is hardly the middle of the night. To normal people, at least.

[Harry Rule]

ED209 said:

Here is another great story about the police knocking on someone’s door in my area and causing someone anxiety.

The world is a strange place where people live with a babies coffin in their bedroom and when this is actually worthy of the news.


https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

What a drama queen

You'd think they'd found one of his own grandchildren in the coffin the way he's going on.

[Greendubber]

Harry Rule said:

ED209 said:

Here is another great story about the police knocking on someone’s door in my area and causing someone anxiety.

The world is a strange place where people live with a babies coffin in their bedroom and when this is actually worthy of the news.


https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-ne...

What a drama queen

You'd think they'd found one of his own grandchildren in the coffin the way he's going on.

Compo face.