Police and Security "Auditers"
Discussion
sutoka said:
In my opinion there needs to be more people to hold the police to account. In my neck of the woods anyway given what my sister told me happened to her. She a quiet mild mannered 30 something woman not at all rude or confrontational.
Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
And we know this was a genuine officer how??Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 19th March 20:32
Nibbles_bits said:
sutoka said:
In my opinion there needs to be more people to hold the police to account. In my neck of the woods anyway given what my sister told me happened to her. She a quiet mild mannered 30 something woman not at all rude or confrontational.
Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
And we know this was a genuine officer how??Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 19th March 20:32
ks disappeared back to his car and turned back up the road. She didn't get his number and the uniformed officer wouldn't give it. They seemed to suggest he was their superior.I was up that road yesterday and the diversion sign is still there, didn't seem to be any road works. I suspect they had an unmarked car sitting ready to follow and stop any car that turned off at the diversion sign, thinking that they would see a checkpoint and if they had something to hide would want to avoid it. Given it was raining heavily my sister says she didn't see any flashing lights ahead or anything to suggest there was a checkpoint. I've no reason to doubt her.
Greendubber said:
That sounds like a pretty unlikely way to decide whether to stop a car or not. I'm not disputing the bloke was a cock, but it's more likely some lazy highways bloke can't be arsed/forgot to collect a diversion sign.
ThisAnd anyone thinking the Police use the yellow signs for a "checkpoint" is a bit of a loon.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Sunday 19th March 23:52
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sutoka said:
Nibbles_bits said:
sutoka said:
In my opinion there needs to be more people to hold the police to account. In my neck of the woods anyway given what my sister told me happened to her. She a quiet mild mannered 30 something woman not at all rude or confrontational.
Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
And we know this was a genuine officer how??Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 19th March 20:32
ks disappeared back to his car and turned back up the road. She didn't get his number and the uniformed officer wouldn't give it. They seemed to suggest he was their superior.I was up that road yesterday and the diversion sign is still there, didn't seem to be any road works. I suspect they had an unmarked car sitting ready to follow and stop any car that turned off at the diversion sign, thinking that they would see a checkpoint and if they had something to hide would want to avoid it. Given it was raining heavily my sister says she didn't see any flashing lights ahead or anything to suggest there was a checkpoint. I've no reason to doubt her.
Marc p said:
sutoka said:
Nibbles_bits said:
sutoka said:
In my opinion there needs to be more people to hold the police to account. In my neck of the woods anyway given what my sister told me happened to her. She a quiet mild mannered 30 something woman not at all rude or confrontational.
Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
And we know this was a genuine officer how??Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 19th March 20:32
ks disappeared back to his car and turned back up the road. She didn't get his number and the uniformed officer wouldn't give it. They seemed to suggest he was their superior.I was up that road yesterday and the diversion sign is still there, didn't seem to be any road works. I suspect they had an unmarked car sitting ready to follow and stop any car that turned off at the diversion sign, thinking that they would see a checkpoint and if they had something to hide would want to avoid it. Given it was raining heavily my sister says she didn't see any flashing lights ahead or anything to suggest there was a checkpoint. I've no reason to doubt her.
This is the road in question
Nibbles_bits said:
Greendubber said:
That sounds like a pretty unlikely way to decide whether to stop a car or not. I'm not disputing the bloke was a cock, but it's more likely some lazy highways bloke can't be arsed/forgot to collect a diversion sign.
ThisAnd anyone thinking the Police use the yellow signs for a "checkpoint" is a bit of a loon.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Sunday 19th March 23:52
I witnessed the sneaky tactics of this force when they sat across the road and watch a bloke put a Mercedes onto a low loader. Only to stop him down the road for having three wheels tethered when he also had it connected to the winch. They sat and watched him secure it but instead of checking before he pulled off they thought they'd got a 3 pointer and few hundred quid for the coffers.
sutoka said:
Marc p said:
sutoka said:
Nibbles_bits said:
sutoka said:
In my opinion there needs to be more people to hold the police to account. In my neck of the woods anyway given what my sister told me happened to her. She a quiet mild mannered 30 something woman not at all rude or confrontational.
Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
And we know this was a genuine officer how??Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 19th March 20:32
ks disappeared back to his car and turned back up the road. She didn't get his number and the uniformed officer wouldn't give it. They seemed to suggest he was their superior.I was up that road yesterday and the diversion sign is still there, didn't seem to be any road works. I suspect they had an unmarked car sitting ready to follow and stop any car that turned off at the diversion sign, thinking that they would see a checkpoint and if they had something to hide would want to avoid it. Given it was raining heavily my sister says she didn't see any flashing lights ahead or anything to suggest there was a checkpoint. I've no reason to doubt her.
This is the road in question
That being said, as she didn’t appear to have done anything wrong, I’d encourage her to make a complaint. The chances are it won’t go anywhere, but if he conducts himself like that regularly whilst off-duty, it’s important that everyone needs to report it to ensure action is taken to rectify his behaviour.
"IF" and that's a very big if, it did happen then I'd report it.
But as the person conveying the story wasn't there, I'd imagine it didn't happen exactly as we're told.
I'm confused - was a diversion in place? If so why? Were the police there because of drivers ignoring the diversion? Did you sister not see the diversion signs? Were there any other signs?
As for the tale of the insecure load, what's your point?
How do you know that it wasn't a regular occurrence that the Police were dealing with?
Was it the first time he'd every failed to secure a load, or was that his thing?
Had he previously been warned, but chose to continue?
It's very easy saying what you think the police should do, but you're just seeing a very small moment in time and may not have all the information.
But as the person conveying the story wasn't there, I'd imagine it didn't happen exactly as we're told.
I'm confused - was a diversion in place? If so why? Were the police there because of drivers ignoring the diversion? Did you sister not see the diversion signs? Were there any other signs?
As for the tale of the insecure load, what's your point?
How do you know that it wasn't a regular occurrence that the Police were dealing with?
Was it the first time he'd every failed to secure a load, or was that his thing?
Had he previously been warned, but chose to continue?
It's very easy saying what you think the police should do, but you're just seeing a very small moment in time and may not have all the information.
Edited by Nibbles_bits on Monday 20th March 06:29
sutoka said:
Didn't say they used it as a checkpoint or placed it there but they used it and sat behind it to see who took the diversion so they could stop them believing if they avoided it they would have something to hide.
I witnessed the sneaky tactics of this force when they sat across the road and watch a bloke put a Mercedes onto a low loader. Only to stop him down the road for having three wheels tethered when he also had it connected to the winch. They sat and watched him secure it but instead of checking before he pulled off they thought they'd got a 3 pointer and few hundred quid for the coffers.
Just out of interest which coffers do you think the money goes in?I witnessed the sneaky tactics of this force when they sat across the road and watch a bloke put a Mercedes onto a low loader. Only to stop him down the road for having three wheels tethered when he also had it connected to the winch. They sat and watched him secure it but instead of checking before he pulled off they thought they'd got a 3 pointer and few hundred quid for the coffers.
sutoka said:
In my opinion there needs to be more people to hold the police to account. In my neck of the woods anyway given what my sister told me happened to her. She a quiet mild mannered 30 something woman not at all rude or confrontational.
Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
If an unmarked car tried to pull me over without using blue lights, and the occupant was not wearing uniform, I would head to a Police station. The advice below seems to be about standard. Anyway she's driving home from her fiancé house down a rural carrriage way. It's raining and 3am. She's sees a yellow diversion sign and follows it as does a car in front ( it's a section of road were they often do work during the night). So she turns off to the left knowing she can turn back on about 1/4 mile away. Then she says she gets flashed at by a black car, driving aggressively no blues and twos or siren. Now the diversion takes you onto a dimly lit side road.
So my sister locks her doors and and when the road rejoins the main road out of nowhere the car overtakes and pulls alongside telling her to pull over. She pulls over and this copper gets out races up to the window (again she still had no idea who they were) and she said she was shaking. Next she said he shouts, so by this stage no ID, no name, station number?
"Why did you turn off at the diversion sign?"
"Why did you not stop?"
"Did you not know it was the police in an unmarked car?"
She said he had a real attitude problem and was completely oblivious, he didn't seem to think his aggressive behaviour to a lone woman driving home in the early hours was an issue. We all know what happened to poor Sarah Everard. Had it had been me I would have continued on until he put on the blues and twos and then I'd have waited until she reached the main road.
He ask for her licence and proof of insurance, she had it on her and had a copy of her insurance on her phone but had it had been me he'd have got a serious talking too and I'd have ask for a producer. Could have been another Wayne Couzens.
In my opinion everyone should film the police when stopped.
Edited by sutoka on Sunday 19th March 20:32
https://www.westyorkshire.police.uk/ask-the-police...
Regardless, if your sister's experience was as you have relayed, I would be putting in a complaint.
808 Estate said:
Maybe we need an someone to go and audit the auditers. See how much they like being filmed. 
Someone like this? YouTube - Audit the AuditNot filming them, but analysing the interactions and the laws involved. Ultimately judgemental, but neutral.
I have watched hours of these videos of the US 'Auditors' and while some might be looking for a reaction it's exposed many cops of making up lies, trying to pin a non-existence charge or using unlawful force on members of the public. It's actually quite frightening how poor the standard is in America. Even when many of them will show cops or public servants their own policies and procedures, they fail to follow them or even know they exist.
Even when they do comply, you have cops pulling their gun on people all because they felt threatened with no apparent threat.
Gangs in uniform indeed.
Certainly different in the UK but I would have cameras on all the time if I was a US citizen.
Even when they do comply, you have cops pulling their gun on people all because they felt threatened with no apparent threat.
Gangs in uniform indeed.
Certainly different in the UK but I would have cameras on all the time if I was a US citizen.
Big Rig said:
I particularly enjoyed the bit about GDPR......Elysium said:
sugerbear said:
Seems the easiest way to get rid him / them is to find their real name and then start to film them whilst repeating their name over and over .
Or just lock all the building doors and wait until they leave.
A couple of the trust pilots are amusing.
Just ignoring them would work as well. Or just lock all the building doors and wait until they leave.
A couple of the trust pilots are amusing.
I genuinely don't understand why people are so bothered about auditors. Is it territorial?
Byker28i said:
What The Deuces said:
Its very very simple, you don't have permission to directly film me without my say so. That is what riles people and in almost all examples that holds true.
In a public place?See blackbeltbarristers video on the dog and drone in the park.... he mentions some of it as a matter of fact.
All this thread has ever done on here is highlight how massively ignorant most people are of actual legislation and your legal data responsibilities when untertaking commercial filming.
There's a reason the like of DJAudits dont want to show their face and remain anonymous..... if they were acting legally and performing a genuine public service then there's no need to hide is there....
Edited by What The Deuces on Tuesday 21st March 10:04
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